Department Of Energy To Analyze Valuable Veterans’ Health Records?

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Veterans' Health Records

Veterans Affairs just announced a partnership with Department of Energy (DOE) using artificial intelligence and big-data solutions to analyze veterans’ health records.

VA is rolling out the new partnership, called the VA-DOE Big Data Science Initiative, to cull through mountains of data points using artificial intelligence and supercomputing resources only available at DOE and not VA.

The VA press release highlights VA’s “unparalleled health data trend information” only available through the agencies cataloging of 24 million veterans’ health records. The initiative also stands to make use of genomic data from the Million Veteran Program (MVP).

Are Veterans’ Health Records Databases Worth Big Bucks?

Ever wonder how valuable our health data is in the hands of private industry? Is VA charging a licensing fee for access to it? If not, why not?

For all my computer vets out there, what do you think of this move? What do you suppose can be done with all the data? And, is VA capable of keeping our private identifiable information private?

Here is the full VA press release:

VA partners with Department of Energy on big-data initiative to improve health care for Veterans

WASHINGTON — Today the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) and the Department of Energy (DOE) announced the formation of a new partnership focused on the secure analysis of large digital health and genomic data, or so-called “big data,” from the VA and other federal sources to help advance health care for Veterans and others in areas such as suicide prevention, cancer and heart disease, while also driving DOE’s next-generation supercomputing designs.

Known as the VA-DOE Big Data Science Initiative, the partnership will be based within DOE’s National Laboratory system, one of the world’s top resources for supercomputing. The effort will leverage the latest DOE expertise and technologies in big data, artificial intelligence and high-performance computing to identify trends that will support the development of new treatments and preventive strategies.

“VA has developed unparalleled health data trend information from some 24 million Veterans who have used VA for health care over the past two decades,” said VA Secretary Dr. David J. Shulkin. “We are partnering with DOE to use their high-performance computing capabilities to allow thousands of researchers access to this unprecedented data resource over time in a secure environment. The transformative science that will be developed through this partnership will improve health care for Veterans and all Americans.”  

DOE high-performance computing represents the state of the art in global computer science, involving machines capable of millions of billions of calculations per second.

VA takes privacy seriously and has ensured all reasonable safeguards are in place to protect the records at the DOE National Laboratory.

“Driving innovation through our national laboratories in ways that can improve Veterans’ health care is a remarkable opportunity,” said DOE Secretary Rick Perry. “I look forward to working together to shape this VA-DOE partnership.”

One part of the new initiative is MVP-CHAMPION— short for the Million Veteran Program (MVP) Computational Health Analytics for Medical Precision to Improve Outcomes Now. MVP, VA’s landmark genomics program, has already enrolled more than 560,000 Veteran volunteers, who have provided DNA samples; completed surveys about their health, lifestyle and military experiences; and granted secure access to their electronic health records for research purposes. The partnership with DoE will maximize the impact of studies using MVP data.

Along with data from MVP and VA’s electronic health records system, the new VA-DOE program will use health data from the Department of Defense, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, and the Center for Disease Control’s National Death Index. 

An initial suite of specific studies that are part of VA-DOE Big Data Science Initiative is already being planned. One aims to build algorithms to generate highly tailored personalized risk scores for suicide. The scores could be used by VA clinicians and researchers to help predict which patients are at the highest risk, and to evaluate prevention strategies. The researchers will work with VA’s Office of Suicide Prevention to enhance current algorithms already in use in VA.

Another project focused on prostate cancer will seek new ways to tell which tumors are lethal versus nonlethal cancer and require treatment, and, by contrast, others that are slow growing and unlikely to cause any symptoms. Yet another study will explore what sets of risk factors are the best predictors of certain forms of cardiovascular disease to inform individualized therapy and treatments for patients based on their individual risk factors.

For more information on MVP, informatics and VA research in general, visit www.research.va.gov.

Source: https://www.va.gov/opa/pressrel/pressrelease.cfm?id=2896

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Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

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Disgruntled Veteran

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Jo3n
Jo3n

If the information the VA puts in is true, accurate, and some directives didn’t tell Dr.’s just falsify the input, if.. Who said that the VA can use our information? Where does the money go? What’s Dr. Shulkin’s share/bonus? I just don’t trust.

JackO
JackO

The VA is permitted to use your information. ALL hospitals have you sign their terms of agreement which include sharing data for purposes of research, insurance, contractors and I think one other I can’t remember right now. You probably just don’t recall the paperwork you signed upon your first visit or exam. Whenever possible the information shared is aggregate data.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

That is utter Bullshit “Dawn/JackO”. Althought they do try to ask research subjects to sign an information sharing release. It is in no way a standard procedure to ask for the release.

91Veteran
91Veteran

I too call bullshit on that. I cannot think of a single research study in which access to health records is allowed by some bullshit generic agreement, without the subject knowing what the research is for.

So if you used the VA and signed this paperwork, and 10 years later the VA uses your data in an HIV study without your agreement, you say that is OK?

namnibor
namnibor

I’m just guessing here but I am thinking “JackO” wears a funny hat in the VA swamp.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Don’t like it.

It means the DOE will be maintaining separate research Medical records for every Veteran and the likely hood that we will ever be able to access those research files is null.

They state “We are partnering with DOE to use their high-performance computing capabilities to allow thousands of researchers access to this unprecedented data resource over time in a secure environment.”

I have recently seen some of the bogus research coming out of DOE’s National Laboratory system that is totally bogus and only published internally because it can not stand up to the scrutiny of the peer review system used by respectable journals.

An example a internally published report from the DOE written in an attempt to discredit an anthrax vaccine researcher who has stood up for Military personal against the use of anthrax vaccines vaccinations. She has also provided expert testimony at trials in Canada and Israel that resulted in victories and compensation for Veterans in those counties who were given the Vaccine.

One of the her most highly cited articles involves an anthrax outbreak in Zimbabwe during the war there in 1978-1979 where she show that the outbreak was a result of government forces using anthrax as a weapon.

The Bogus report that attempts to discredit her was only published internally and can be found at:

“Using Dempster-Shafer theory to assess explanations for the Zimbabwe anthrax outbreak of 1978-79”, S. P. Velsko, May 8, 2015
“https://e-reports-ext.llnl.gov/pdf/792184.pdf”

In the report Velsko attempts to use a unproven junk science called “Dempster-Shafer theory” to discredit Dr. Meryl Nass’s prior research which was peer reviewed. The amazing thing about the junk science report Velsko claimed supported his conclusion. Each time he could manipulate the variables to claim he was correct. But several points where he could not manipulate the Variables and the theory supported Dr. Nass he then claimed the theory he was using was wrong in those instances.

More Junk Science using research records created by using our medical records is all that is going to result from this. No doubt some one is going to make a lot of money selling out our medical records and Shulkin will be one of the people making money on it.

ShadowTokers
ShadowTokers

Swish lol!! Nothing but net

JackO
JackO

Yes – I totally agree with this statement. Hopefully the current medical providers will continue the work using the information, not creating a false result like the DOE tends to do. Too much is at stake here to be making up false results. I’d really hope that the integrity of the researchers on behalf of the VA continue. There are some great studies done by the VA (or others using their information).

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Bullshit JackO

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

*************That should read Bullshit “Dawn/JackO”*************

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

“BULLSHIT JackO”
I never signed anything which would allow VA to use my medical records in a way you just described!
Go back to your rabbit hole!

Rick Lipary
Rick Lipary

You forgot the two f’s after O! You are bought-and-paid, Jack-O!

91Veteran
91Veteran

ABSOLUTE HORSESHIT! Out of the $200 million spent over 20 years by VA and DOD researchers on Gulf War Illnesses, can you point to a single one that produced a treatment for Gulf War vets? A diagnosis? A cause?

Out of that $200 million, how many studies in the VA portfolio are duplicate studies by the same researchers taking turns at being the lead author, and peer reviewing themselves where their conclusions say all Gulf War ailments are caused by stress?

Let me enlighten you. There is a reason why the Congressionally Directed Medical Research Program exists…even though the VA has tried their damnedest to stop it. It exists to fund independent, private medical researchers after congress agreed with Gulf War vets that VA researchers were pissing away millions of dollars on worthless research.

Mr. James Franklin Moore, Sr.
Mr. James Franklin Moore, Sr.

I too cry “Bull Shit” cause no one has ever giving me a copy of any document I’ve sign on that desk-pad they have there for you to sign…. I’ve reminded them of the Federal Law(s) of the law about me/us being given a hard copy of what we are about too sign… Their reply, we’ll put a copy in your records, my thoughts’ are at the time, look dip-stick, if I’d wanted a copy in my records instead of my hands so that I may read what I am signing away right now. I won’t have bothered asking you in the first place…. And if they are using my medical records for anything other than wiping their rear-ends’ cause my stuff as been changed so many time’s but doctors from Northport, VHA, Brooklyn, Manhattan, Bronx, Fayetteville, Salisbury, all the way too Durham, after those tech’s found something on my lungs after that two week war, he instructed me too inform my PCP the very next time we meet….
which I did and you know what that lying PCP stated, that the X-ray tech didn’t tell me that, and that was after this same fool deleted the techs’ report. Six month or a year later I was sent in for another chest X-ray, and the very same tech {whom he and I did time at Ft. Sam, combat medic war college summer of 85.} anyway he looked up his last report on me and sure enough it wasn’t there in the system anymore. “So he rewrote his report again printed it out for me, and gave me a copy of that chest X-ray {which I still have with me to this very date in time…}, he did another test on me again and this time he gave me a copy right then and there…. This is why they can no-longer give you a copy/or tell anything of what they may have found in you or your body system…. “So if they really are dumb enough to trust those lying butt wipes then there is something more going on here that may meet the eyes guys!!” And if I am in that system and when I repeatly told them no, and a thousand times’ no, than I want my cut of the action and I am asking for $Billion-plus heartache…”

Angela
Angela

Believe it is a hoax. It is all about money. I would have to really see facts before I would ever have a different perspective. I have about had it with this government and this country.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Good post Seymore. Interesting how long Dr. Nass’ research has stood against any other study, but years later, in 2015 no less, this hack publishes his report based on theory?

Did it really take them this long to come up with that brain fart?

ShadowTokers
ShadowTokers

VHA is so far removed from true and honest medical fact finding initiatives due to falsifying electronic health records, it would be another waste of taxpayer dollars to hope for different results. The very definition of insanity. The only difference this go around would be the level of scapegoat, and of course its DOE classification. Will look into exploits to answer PII/PHI data exchange question at a later date, always a way into cybereverything.

Donald Avant
Donald Avant

Do we REALLY need ANOTHER BIG BROTHER collecting and archiveing data that we will probably never have access to?

RE: VA takes privacy seriously and has ensured all reasonable safeguards are in place to protect the records at the DOE National Laboratory.

Yea Right…heard that before…

RE: “VA has developed unparalleled health data trend information from some 24 million Veterans who have used VA for health care over the past two decades,”

If this is true why did it take 20+ years for the VA to admit AO was killing us and our families…
And how long will it take for them to admit that burn pits are killing Iraq and Afghanistan Vets?

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Donald Avant – – – I believe the VA when they say they ““VA has developed unparalleled health data trend information from some 24 million Veterans who have used VA for health care over the past two decades.”

I just do not believe they have the slightest clue as how to use that data to benefit the veterans that VA is supposed to be serving.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Hell the DOE can’t even keep their nuke secrets secret. Wasn’t it Los Alamos that had quite a scandal over some Chinese national downloading nuke secrets and taking them home?

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

Good Article, Ben.

Dr. Meryl Nass, to my mind is one of the most morally honest researchers on the planet. As soon as I saw her name in Seymore Klearly’s comment, I was immediately reminded of the fine work she did along with Doctors Garth and Nancy Nicolson back in the ’90’s and early 2000’s. Research that has helped thousands of veterans who heeded what they had to say.

I have shared in previous comments the story of my “personal” experience with them. I am still breathing today because of that experience.

To paraphrase a great quote from the movie A Few Good Men: “The Government wants the truth? The Government can’t handle the truth!” And they sure do not think that we as individual citizen’s can.

When did freedom become naught but illusion in this country? I’ll leave the bits and bytes to the IT gurus to debate and sort out.

Our government wants to do right by this nations veterans who have so honorably served their country? Here is how to get it done:

1. Expedite implementing the HOLMAN RULE.

2. Recognize the problems inherent in the VA are SYSTEM-WIDE, not just limited to a few locations.

3. Fire all the Lazy No Good Workers. Fire EVERY single AFGE/SES Employee.

4. Sell off all the VA facilities. Alternatively, they may be converted into housing for homeless veterans.

5. Issue all veterans a card that allows them to choose their own doctors within their community that they can TRUST.

6. The United States Government will PAY those doctors promptly for the care they provide veterans.

7. Completely ELIMINATE the “Federal Protection” Umbrella for incompetent QUACKS that the VA sends to other states to practice other than their own. Gonna practice in Hawaii? You need to be LICENSED in Hawaii. Same applies to all other states.

Vic
Vic

GIGO is what you have using VA medical records for anything.

What would help is if the VA employees learning ‘military, they think that being curt means we’re mad.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

What do I think? That’s easy, In one word = “SCAM!”

The ‘data’ entered into the computer, has to be accurate! The VHA healthcare providers are widely known for entering false information!
Since computers were first designed and built, false data has caused misinformation to be thrown back out.
The old saying comes to mind; “Garbage in, Garbage out!”

How many of the so-called “…enrolled more than 560,000 Veteran volunteers…”, are actually “volunteers”?
Plus, the article claims around “…24 million…” veteran medical files have been accessed for this research to be done!
So, is VA using 24 million veterans healthcare records, or is VA only using 560,000 veterans’ records for this “experiment”?

Is this just another reason NOT to trust VA? Answer = “YES!”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

P.S.
I’m not a “super computer whiz kid”! Every one on here knows that!

It’s just my opinion, that *IF* VA is involved in this, its got to be a scam to rip off the American Taxpayer!
The VA has been known, for decades, for NOT telling the truth! What makes this any different!!!!!!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

P.P.S.
Here’s a thought.
What if veterans could use this scam for our benefit?!
Let me explain;
All this information, being downloaded into a supercomputer has to be accurate information.
We veterans know that is more likely than not going to be the case!
So, if veterans are harmed by this scam, could veterans take legal action against:
Dept. of Energy (DOE) *or*
The VA *or* both agencies?

Just a thought!

Gretchen R
Gretchen R

I agree with Crazy elf: “Garbage in equals garbage out” when it comes to analyzing data. I’m a retired computer professional, and that is the first thing that was taught.

VA staff take no pride about VA medical record accuracy, especially when it come to making secret (undiscused) entries concerning drug and alcohol use.

Suicidal events are worse: VA staff just make up their own version of what the vet did and why, to suit VA’s needs. The more lethal the suicide attempt, the LESS likely you are to be given a high suicide risk flag.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Crazy Elf, I believe the VA for years has thought they are sitting on a gold mine with this data, and are just trying to figure out how to sell it…without looking like their sole focus is money.

I believe there will be exorbitant fees charged to access this data, with percentages to be split between the VA and whoever they convince to do this.

Hell they can’t account for the budget they are given much less the millions that will be rolling in from this.

I bet the best minds at DOE have their supercomputers running 24/7 trying to come up with the detailed formula needed to squeeze every cent they can out of this.

Dennis
Dennis

So, the VA which has been characterized by uncountable numbers of Americans as being out of control and capable and succesful at fucking up nearly everything they have been tasked to do, now seeks out a partnership to do so at computational speeds only capable of the enormous calculating potential of the supercomputers the governments uses to simulate conditions inside of a nuclear reaction while it is underway, irregardless of if the operation is for producing steam for generators or if the operation is a thermonuclear device detonated to vaporize humans.

Hmmmm.

Let’s step back a bit. What is the mission of VA? I do not recall their mission had anything to do with propagating medical reaearch. It had something to do with helping vets, but somewhere along the line they did indeed branch out and grow their own set of mission parameters. Somewhere along the line they branched out and became an independent nation complete wih their own armed security, their own laws, their own Due Process, and an allegience owed by its own operatives that transcends our nations boundaries. Somewhere along the line we began to ignore the law that flatly states all VA employees must posess US citizenship. The law still states that but we ignore it on the preposterous notion that America with about a quarter billion citizens simply cannot find qualified humans encumbered by US national citizenship and pride to work the jobs needed to help veterans who have earned it. Somewhere along the line the VA became an entity all of its own and seemingly forever out of reach of The People, and is now staffed by a diverse workforce that is all inclusive of felons, foreign souls, unqualified doctors, slothful unions, liars, thieves, and beggars – AND all of them are empowered thusly on the grand ideal that our nation owes service to veterans of the United States military.

Now our host Ben, posts information that VA now is spending our tax money for taxi rides across town to the Department of Energy to ogle at the immense supercomputers needed to calculate transitional phases of matter to energy conversion not altogether unlike what our most brilliant minds believe is going on inside of our own Sun. The VA, tasked with mending broken bones, broken spirits, and broken lives now says it needs the power of The Department of Energy to sift through the data they have gathered from veterans in return for the broken promises they have made.

Tell me something;
Do you prefer a real leg, or an artificial leg?
Would you rather have a real hamburger or an artificial one?
Do you prefer to walk among Mother Nature’s God given plants, or do you prefer to walk amidst artificial plastic ferns?
When you bake do you prefer to use real sugar, or artificial?

…and…

Would you rather that the VA fuck up at the speed of human thought, or would you rather that they hand that chore to artificial intelligence?

Handing the VA the keys to the DOE supercomputers is a colossal circle jerk in the making, but beyond that, tell me one thing that the VA has EVER embarked upon that has EVER made anything better? ALL this does is further expand their sphere of influence ever deeper. Ben, what you write about is an agency that now is crossing its own borders and marking out its new territory. Think clearly about where this particular direction will lead us in ten years – BILLIONS funnelled into a massive effort to do what? Let something artificial begin to fulfill the promises made to veterans? Just look at the damn track record they haveworking with the DOD!!! The rat bastards cannot even get along with the military agency that supplies them the fresh meat? HOW THE HELL are they supposed to get along with the DOE folks when they can’t even manage to share records politely with DOD? DOE is staffed by extraordinarily bright human beings – can you imagine the culture shock when they are forced to mix with VA folks who are at the other end of the cognitive spectrum?

Is it really such a grand idea to hand the keys to the Porsche over to the driver who can never seem to make it down the block on a moped without causing carnage? Maybe it is if you believe that the artificial promises they are making won’t be broken one more time.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Good points Dennis. I prefer if the VA has to fuck things up, they do it at the speed of an old Commodore 64 with faulty RAM.

Does this mean their fucks ups will look like mushroom clouds?

141FE
141FE

Awesome retort. I believe you should print this and send it to every member of Congress. You know this isn’t even on their radar right now. But, with a few well placed/worded letters of inquiry you might get them talking about – yes, I’m having an optimist moment, forgive me. But, yes well opined!!

namnibor
namnibor

What’s next, a corporate crap monitor (CCM) on Veteran’s toilets to determine how toilet paper manufacturers should make future toilet paper based on Veteran’s eating habits?

How about a corporate pillow monitor (CPM) on Veteran’s mattresses to determine how our lack of sleep because of PTSD affects the cushiness of particular pillows?

How about a corporate bodybag monitor (CBM) on Veteran’s bodybags to determine just how many weeks can go by before said bodybag explodes in order to reduce labor time with more time left on shelves to explode and so the funeral service industry can profit on backs and bodies of Veterans?

ALL EQUALLY RIDICULOUS!!!!!!!!!

As long as Garbage In Garbage Out is programmed by the human HACKS at the VA, NONE of the data will EVER be ACURATE.
Folks, we Veterans are still very much mere pawns for the VA to make $$$$ off of, never mind good healthcare, it’s not the goal with non-human test subjects.

Greedy Rat Bastards. Non of us signed-up to be exploited later as it were!!!!!!!!!!!

I bet IBM’s Watson could not have anticipated the large shit this has induced this morning….or have they?

namnibor
namnibor

I can just see some VA hack asking the Dept. Of Energy folks, “So, what if we feed all Veterans Plutonium and see what happens when two Veterans come together. We fusion take place before the Veteran dies a horrible death? Can it be improved upon to make living tissue fusion possible?

Yeah, the VA *anywhere near* nuclear crap could very well mean the end of mankind in the making.

HELL NO!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

to help advance health care for Veterans and others in areas such as suicide prevention, cancer and heart disease, I CALL ALL THAT BULLSHIT. MORE DATA SO THEY CAN FIND MORE WAYS TO KILL YOU. AND YOUR RIGHT ELF WHICH IS IT 560,000 OR 24 MILLION …high-performance computing capabilities to allow thousands of researchers access to this unprecedented data resource over time in a secure environment..MORE DNA RESEARCH TO SEE IF THE GMO FOODS AND VACCINES ARE DOING WHAT THEY WERE INTENDED TO DO. THAT IS SLOWLY KILL US …. LIKE BILL GATES SAYS ON TED TALKS IF WE DO A REALLY GOOD JOB WITH VACCINES WE CAN REDUCE THE CARBON FOOTPRINT.. BUT WHO AM I TO KNOW ANYTHING I’M JUST A CONSPIRACY THEORIST ….I GUESS THEY WILL COME UP WITH A WAY FOR US TO USE LESS OXYGEN WITH ALL THAT DATA..LOL

namnibor
namnibor

You all know that this crap does not fly and work with Social Security and Medicare selling USA citizen’s medical data to highest bidder because….the American Taxpayer has such strong advocates as AARP for one, and NAACP and others that would say a resounding….HELL NO!

We Veterans are very low-hanging fruit because the VA KNOWS they have Veterans by the balls by our dependence on VA benefits and healthcare. The U.S. Gov’t. is ALLOWING this to take place, make no mistake about it.

President Trump: How would you like your family to be medically experimented upon by idiots then that shitty falsified data sold to the highest bidder? (never mind any healthcare…it’s now redefined as VA Deathcare)

How do make ourselves NOT low-hanging fruit for the VA? I did not read any OPT OUT option offered to we low-hangers down here.
IBM Watson also could not have predicted my massive shit had a part 2….or did he?

namnibor
namnibor

Last thought from an insider at ‘The Muppet Show’s Muppet Labs’:

“What the Dept. Of Energy is getting in exchange for helping the VA is a very special codependent partnership of gov’t agencies. In the event of a USA based Chernobyl Meltdown event, able-bodies will be needed to go into the hot zone to procure sensitive corporate data left behind. This is where our brave Veterans will be utilized to procure this data.
But just how would you get a Veteran to willfully walk into a zone that’s a guaranteed death sentence? This is where the VA will airdrop all Veteran’s medications yet to be mailed-out into the nuclear disaster hot zone and will tell Veterans IF they want their meds, they MUST go in, procure sensitive corporate dats, and if still alive go back and try to find their health records that caused the meltdown in first place.”

D.O.E. Dept. Of Eradication + VHA Partnership, still Dept. Of Eradication.

Why is the VA hellbent on making $$$ off our medical experimental records?

namnibor
namnibor

Maybe the DOE needs to check the plutonium pellets the VA gave us during a lab visit or disguised in the VA’s Pharmacy Formulary?

In A Mood.

91Veteran
91Veteran

…or the health effects of millions of veterans exposed to DU in the Middle East.

Dennis
Dennis

Let me quote my favorite American speech; “Citizenship In A Republic”. Before you read this let me tell you that the passage was spoken by an American President long ago, about a war long past and the warriors who fought it. This President was speaking directly about United States veterans. After you read this, ask yourself “Can any machine understand what these simple words mean? Could ANY machine ever describe a human being this way? Could any machine desribe a veteran so succinctly and clearly so as to bring tears to the eyes of grown men and women?”

Can anything called articificial intelligence believe and act upon the conviction that every single United States veteran deserves the credit due, or believe that each and every individual veteran matters?

In 1910 in Paris France Theodore Roosevelt spoke these words about American veterans, and not one godamn machine in the Universe can understand any of it – not one godamn machine, no matter how intelligent will ever weep over them, or over any United States vet;

“It is not the critic who counts;
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles,
or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs,
who comes short again and again,
because there is no effort without error and shortcoming;
but who does actually strive to do the deeds;
who knows great enthusiasms,
the great devotions;
who spends himself in a worthy cause;
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who at the worst,
if he fails,
at least fails while daring greatly,
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

“Teddy Roosevelt” knew more than people gave him credit for!
He was a “Man for all men!”

141FE
141FE

Nice! Dennis your my fav.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Do y’all want to read a great, uplifting, article?
This was published today, from “military.com/Daily News”
dated: 1 May 2017
Titled;

“Horseman Rides Across US to Bring Attention to Agent Orange!”

via:
Associated Press | by John Rogers

It’s going to take about two months to accomplish his task. I believe y’all will like this story!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I JUST READ THIS ON HEALTH.MIL if you broke your arm, came down with pneumonia, or your child had a severe earache, you wouldn’t think twice about going to the doctor and getting treatment. Maintaining our health and receiving effective treatment for ourselves and our loved ones is a duty and responsibility. But what if the injury isn’t accompanied by physical pain, an x-ray finding, or an abnormal lab test? What is our duty and responsibility when it comes to good mental health?….. SO IF THE DOCTORS ARE INCOMPETENT OR LAZY AT THE VA YOU NEED GOOD MENTAL HEALTH OR AM I NOT COMPREHENDING THIS RIGHT

fred locke
fred locke

Someday a book /documentary is going to be released regarding some new drug or medical
breakthrough that resulted from this VA-DOE Big Data Science Initiative research by the many
research scientists and scholars. Of course the veteran community will not be properly compensated.

I am enclosing some more news articles and information readers of this blog might find useful. I am sure
these articles are off topic–therefore I apologize.
1) I think the case of Eric Loomis is important. He is in prison, he is a criminal (he is not a veteran) and he
is a bad person– but what happened to him can happen to anyone. The US Supreme Court might be hearing his appeal:
State of Wisconsin v Eric Loomis no. 2015 ap157-CR
Decided: July 13, 2016. (Mr. Loomis was arrested in 2013)
NY Times article: May 1, 2017– ” Sent to prison by a software program’s secret algorithms.”–by Adam Liptak. ( Also see reporter Mitch Smith’s article, also NY Times June 22, 2016–“Using Data to Foretell
Defendant’s Future.”) This article is also about Mr. Loomis.
I have another story, but first– there have been comments on this blog about Veterans Courts
and their jurisdiction. I think using algorithms and big-data- forensic science to convict people or determine if a person should be released from an institution or a court of law should change people’s
attitudes with regard to Veteran’s Courts and activity at all VA hospitals ( Disruptive Behavior Committees) We all should pay more attention to court cases if they involve Veteran’s Courts and Big Data.
#2) A journalist named Rebecca Skloot wrote a book titled: The Immortal Life Of Henrietta Lacks.
The story is about a black woman in Baltimore MD in the 1950’s and John Hopkins Hospital.
Mrs. Lack’s story has to do with the pharmaceutical industry. Her cells ( produced from a biopsy)
became known as HeLa cells. The Pharmaceutical industry made billions. Mrs. Lacks died impoverished- never knowing of her contribution. Her family continues to fight for compensation and justice.
Thanks to disabledvets.org for the expression of free speech and ideas like the many I read on this
blog nearly everyday.

God bless the veteran community.

Lem
Lem

Will only work on records of the last 20 years at the most. The older veterans still getting shit on as far as care. WWII veterans did O K for a while. While the country still remembered Pearl Harbor from personal memory not history books.

The country doesn’t see any war since then as a threat to their livelihood and therefore those veterans don’t count.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

“Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson snared in growing pursuit of personal email”, By Alex Swoyer – The Washington Times – Monday, May 1, 2017

“http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/may/1/jeh-johnsons-personal-email-use-at-dhs-snared-in-g/”

Former Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson has dug through more than 26,000 emails from his personal account, trying to figure out which of those were government business that he should have turned over to the government as official records, the Justice Department told a federal court Monday.

Three of Mr. Johnson’s top aides also used personal accounts to do their official work, the government has told the court — feeding the growing legal storm over secret email accounts and how much access the public should have to those records.

Judicial Watch has sued to get a look at the messages from Mr. Johnson and his staffers.

141FE
141FE

The majority of the population doesn’t even realize we’re at war now and have been since 2002. Several times in the last couple years, while in uniform I’ve been asked if I was a security guard a flight attendant and the bewildered, what are you?. The majority of GENPOP don’t even recognize their own country’s military uniform.

LP
LP

Off topic
On a different thread I posted that I had finally gotten the VA to get me an appt with neuro…they fucking failed again and used the same tactics of Omission to tell me about only healthier portions of my back. When I asked the rest, the nerve roots, the shit bag ended the visit…now I’m supposed to go through PT and pain management. Again. Like the last 14yrs!! FUUUCK

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

sounds like me LP i have a cyst on my spinal cord on my neck and tell me its nothing more than arthritis and never go by the older MRI’S that shows the problem. thats why if i sleep on my left side i get migraine headaches and my left arm goes numb…never want to send me to a neurologist. oh what great health care we get …

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Does anyone else note how truly amazing it is that the DOE computers can accept the database containing all Veterans Health records and even the dysfunctional Russian owned and operated Flow Health had computer access that could the database.

But the VA and Department of Defense could not share the database or for that matter the VAs computers were not interoperable between VAMCs in different regions. Even though each year the VA has been spending Billions to achieve the goal.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Well, in one instance the VA can make millions. In the other, they may have to pay out millions.

Pretty clear numbers to a corrupt bureaucrat.

Rick B
Rick B

I think no good will come of this. I believe that veterans personal information will be compromised. As to the actual records themselves, they are already garbage because garbage is input every time we use the VA. Examples of this garbage are questions like: Do you feel safe in you home, Do you feel depressed, and all the other form filling questions that the VA employee fills in on each of our appointments. Most of the time the veteran never knew these questions were asked until they get a copy of their medical records. I don’t know about others but I review my medical records closely, because first I want to try to eliminate or correct any entry that is not correct ( which is almost impossible). Next, if I see something in the record about do I feel safe, I will confront the nurse that filled out the questions and request them to stop writing lies. How do you do this you may ask? simple, use the official email at healthevet, every message you send using the VA mail system to contact your “medical team ” is required to be inserted into your medical records. If you challenge the entries often enough, most lies will stop. Finally, for many of us, our medical records are what support out compensation. If the medical records are screwed up with false information, that bad information could have an effect on our compensation. For example when I injured my left knee, I was asked how I injured the knee. My answer was my right knee buckled causing me to fall to the ground and in the process I twisted my left knee as I fell. ( from day one this is how I described the cause of the injury). Most providers ignore the story and said veteran fell on knee. Now when I apply for compensation based on a secondary condition, ie bad right knee buckled and caused me to fall twisting the left knee and tearing the meniscus, the raters is going to say he fell on his knee so he is not entitled to secondary service connection, so people make sure the whole story is entered into the record. I challenged two va employees because they entered false information concerning my knee injury. Most important, and I learned this the hard way, Only tell the va employee what is necessary nothing more, don’t elaborate, don’t tell stories, don’t say someone told me that … because everything you say ends up in that medical record.For example, I am overweight, I have been for 12 years, and I have tried to exercise but because of my COPD, bad knees, bad back etc ( fill in any excuse) I have not been able to lose the weight. When that examiner ask you are you exercising, be careful what you say. If you say yes I am walking on a treadmill or running they will enter your remarks. Now you file a claim for additional compensation because your knees are killing you… the c/p examiner notes you are exercising on a treadmill, and you told the prior examiner you are doing fine… so that c/p examiner is going to go with what the record says, not what you tell him at the time, and there goes that increase. Yes the records are full of garbage, but some of that garbage is our fault because of what we say to a VA employee, the rest of the garbage is the fill in the blanks that we never know were filled in, and every visit we make there is a different fill in the blanks entry into our record. Each time we go to the va, what do they do , weigh us, take vitals, and then ask us about our medications. Be careful talking about meds….. and remember they have a printout of all the prescribed meds, if you say your not taking something that could hurt you on c/p at a later time. Also, if your retired military, be careful what you say to the military doctors if you use a military hospital because the VA and the services are sharing medical information, right now its mainly medications, but in the future it will be the whole record… So like I say our med records are already garbage, and that garbage will get passed on to some yawho’s at the DOE, they ( the DOE) will input the garbage, and all their own garbage at the same time, and then when research is done they cite the medical records of hundreds of thousands of veterans as fact… The system is screwed up…. if the va has the authority to share our medical records with the DOE, who else are they sharing them with… I don’t like this at all…

Lem
Lem

Depends on the “program.” My bank account is disconnected from the bank on its reports. When they search for my overdraft it will eventually come back to my account and notify me.

When I pay an online purchase with my credit card it goes through a separate program which pays the supplier. The supplier only gets my shipping information not my CC number.

These separations protect me and enable me to do my online banking and online purchases. Yes, they can be bridged by hackers but it is very difficult. And my bank and CC info is much more profitable to a hacker than my Health Care file which has nothing I’m unwilling to share if it will make you live longer. Some things in it I do from my own research like taking a dash of cinnamon in a morning cup of coffee to boost my immune system and stimulate insulin production. But that is not my personal invention. It is knowledge that has been in India for millennia.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Rick B, I do the same when trying to address a medical record error. I send them a secure message. I also take screen shots of the message sent, and any replies, then email them to myself on my own personal account, just in case my secure messaging suddenly disappears.

In the case of my records being falsified, I sent a detailed letter describing every line of the record that was false to the Privacy Officer asking them to correct the record. That letter went to the Chief of Staff, who investigated the provider. The provider responded in writing, and they corrected the record.

I was told in the last instance of incorrect information being entered that it was a mistake she made in selecting one of the canned answers, and that she talked with the IT department about changing it, but she was told it was impossible because the record was locked. I got screen shots of those messages.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

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Rick b
Rick b

Seymore ,

I wish I could see more clearly the meaning of your numbers…

Disgruntled Veteran
Disgruntled Veteran

@Seymore – – – Roger that. Thank You.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s a scenario I want an opinion on.
First, This new thing VA wants to couple with the DOE over. How much of taxpayers monies will it cost?
Secondly, The new budget of $1 TRILLION DOLLARS was just passed yesterday, allegedly, to keep the government going until September 31, 2017. The end of the 2016-2017 fiscal year!
Third – How many want to bet the VA will be back in front of Congress, asking for MORE taxpayers monies before 1 September 2017?!?!?!

Dennis
Dennis

@Crazy elf

Fourth – who the hell granted Constituional Authority for one cabinet to join resources with another for Gods Sake! Who the hell decided that the core idea within our Constituion of separation of powers was no longer the firewall we needed against tyrany?

(hint: it wasn’t Thomas Jefferson)

Jo3n
Jo3n

They are going to do it anyway, or not. Since Dr Shulkin has been in charge, I have heard a lot about the VA, and how great they are going to be. My personal VA experience doesn’t reflect all this gibberish I keep hearing. My situation is deteriorating with the VA. Is anything the VA is doing, helping Veterans? Sure appears to be all about the VA, and the same crap for the Veterans. I still have no idea what’s going on with any of my situations. I know what the VA is trying to do now with DOE will hurt Veterans, although the VA will be ok. Because, VA isn’t human, it’s a title.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Jo3n, any update on that quack prison doctor?