Painkiller

Benjamin KrauseNew federal rules governing narcotic painkiller prescriptions have taken a toll on countless thousands of veterans relying on them to treat pain from missing limbs and other conditions.

Over the past six months, many veterans have written me about problems they experienced getting refills for their controlled painkillers. These veterans with chronic pain suddenly hit roadblocks whenever they sought the medication they previously received without problems.

Come to find out, new opioid prescription rules from the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) are behind the roadblock. DEA created the new rules to curb perceived abuses of opioids nationwide. Instead of helping, veterans claim the new rules have caused a dramatic uptick in depression due to increased pain, panic attacks, and other problems associated with sudden withdrawals that result when the refills are suddenly stopped.

In dramatically curtailing access to the highly addictive painkillers, the government is trying to roll back what the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has termed “the worst drug addiction epidemic in the country’s history, killing more people than heroin and crack cocaine.” The rules apply to “hydrocodone combination products,” such as Vicodin.

More than half a million veterans are now on prescription opioids, according to the VA.

Pain experts at the VA say that in hindsight they have been overmedicating veterans, and doctors at the Pentagon and VA now say that the use of the painkillers contributes to family strife, homelessness and even suicide among veterans. A study by the American Public Health Association in 2011 also showed that the overdose rate among VA patients is nearly double the national average.

To help veterans combat the changes in prescriptive rules, VA’s national director for pain management, Rollin Gallagher, implemented a policy for staff to meet personally with patients. I am unclear how meeting personally with patients dependent on the painkillers to treat missing limbs, cancer and related ailments will assuage the pain.

What do you think about the DEA rule change and how that affects veterans? Should the policies be applied differently at VA in light of the less common ailments veterans face in coping with the hardship of war causing more serious injuries than those faced by the general population? Were the rules created using the right statistical analysis or will they disproportionately harm seriously injured or sick veterans more than the overall American population?

Best I can tell, VA could have handled the change better and treated veterans affected with more compassion while they suffered through withdrawals. A big problem with the change was that VA failed to warn and did not explain exactly why they change was going on. Veterans that pushed for the painkillers they previously received were labeled as “drug seeking”.

Source: http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article/Veterans-complain-new-painkiller-rules-increase-6088081.php

Disabled Navy Veteran
Disabled Navy Veteran

Here is the full article in it’s entirety:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/veterans-struggle-to-renew-their-prescriptions-amid-new-opioid-rules/2015/02/18/4d42d63a-acb3-11e4-9c91-e9d2f9fde644_story.html

Civilian hospitals don’t like it either as it’s causing their doctors, along with pharmacies, way too much time and paperwork. Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) is sponsoring a bill (HR 667: The Veterans Equal Access Act) for the VA doctors to prescribe their patients medical marijuana in medical marijuana states.

Charlotte Robinson
Charlotte Robinson
I think that marijuana should be legal in all states and to threaten to take a patient’s pain meds away from them because they smoke pot is cruel and inhumane. Marijuana calms, increases appetite, etc. My husband was just told today that if he did not stop smoking weed he would be cut off of his pain meds, and he is going to be weaned off of them anyway because of this unjust policy. What we can do is write… Read more »
Tommythis
Tommythis
That’s fine for you, but some of us can’t use marijuana, because if one smokes it, your harmless drug has more tar and nicotine than cigarettes do, so dying stoned is not a good option for some of us. Second, pot causes paranoia on a scale that far outweighs it’s ” pain killing properties” for some of us, myself included. Third, I don’t want to get “high”. When I was 16 that sounded reasonable, but I’m 67 now, and I… Read more »
namnibor
Well, this has just been taken to the extreme even in the civilian medical area where I get my healthcare solely from. I have been taking Lyrica for extreme peripheral neuropathy for over 7 years now. Even though Lyrica is NOT on any official schedule 2 medication list, because of all this crap my family Dr. is no longer able to even electronically send my RX to Walgreens. I have to actually make an appointment in which I will have… Read more »
Disabled Navy Vteran
Disabled Navy Vteran

namnibor-in my opinion there’s NOT a fucking thing that makes any sense, logical or not, anymore and there’s no logical sense that no one gives a rat’s ass out there except those of us who are victims of the system.

glenn678

As the old saying goes: If common sense were more common, more people would have it!

glenn678

As the old saying goes: If common sense were really common, more people would have it!

J. Edward Vernon jr.
J. Edward Vernon jr.

Why do we POLICE the WORLD by ourselves, and if we have ALLIES, why aren’t their Vets experiencing the same PROBLEMS ??? Maybe we need to look at their VA systems.

TommyThis
TommyThis

I’ve spoken with Vet’s in Canada and England and in many cases it’s far worse. Can’t speak for all NATO Veterans, but most of our allies have “cradle to grave” government run health services. If a government tries to dictate how to breath then it’s probably bad. In the service we called this “pericranialrectumitis.”

Lee Horowitz
Lee Horowitz
If you look at the news this DEA policy and I would imagine it will as well drive veterans needing those pain medications to the streets and with an increase of heron use as to buy heron off the street is far far cheeper then buying the medication off the street!! Veterans are going to be forced onto the streets to buy the painkillers they need and wind up either with bad drugs and death or addiction to far addictive… Read more »
Broken vet
Broken vet
Even more fun is when my PCP at the VA cut off my pain meds a month ago, she also ran a federal background check to see if I was getting pain meds from another source. WTF? MYODB. I downloaded my health records via Health E-vet, and there it was in black and white. I’m doing my best to deal with acute peripheral neuropathy caused by a botched surgery at the VA to correct a service related injury last spring.… Read more »
A. Corpsman
A. Corpsman

I was cut off without warning after my PCP RETIRED recently. I spent 7 hours today trying desperately to fix it even though it’s not my error. I haven’t changed. My service connection hasn’t changed. Just my PVP. Currently suffering through massive pain and withdrawal. FML 2

TommyThis
TommyThis
You may want to try Kratom if they have completely cut you off. It’s still legal (At least until September of this year) and I know friends who say it’s helped them get off pain meds altogether. DEA tried to make it a “schedule I or II narcotic” but people showed up at the white house and demonstrated against it. Then they said ” Write us and let us know what you think.” So far 23,000 people have said “Please… Read more »
A. Corpsman
A. Corpsman

Thanks Tommy. I have heard of it. It circulates or the conversation of it does. It’s been available on Amazon but recently disappeared. I hope i can find it again.

TS
TS
Anybody who thinks they have a right to tell me that living a life of never ending suffering is somehow superior than taking a narcotic pain reliever is both a tyrant and an idiot. I’ve been dealing with this for over a year at the Columbus Ohio VA. They have not only denied me access to pain relief but have committed medical fraud, falsified medical records, and retaliated against me when I tried to report it. I tried on multiple… Read more »
jonney west
jonney west
IM with him, I to have the same problem with the Columbus VA. I have been called a drug seeking addict. records falsified abuse of authority. nurses and Drs holding meetings behind my back and refusing me the meds I need to function a normal life. when complaining to my congressman nothing gets done in a timely matter. where being abused by DR’s and nurses at this VA. patient advocates disagreeing with the veteran and not helping their concerns. why… Read more »
A. Corpsman
A. Corpsman

Thank God I’m not the only one. After a botched surgery in Dec and a 6 week hospital stay (at the VAwhere I was physically, sexually and psychologically abused) they have forged records, altered dates, lied about basic facts and retaliated against me today by cutting me off suddenly and completely from my pain meds. And each person just stared at me and said there waa nothing they can do.

Concerned Disabled Vet
Concerned Disabled Vet
I remember my VA Pain Management Doctor had me addicted to Oxycontin sending very large bottles home with me, no questions asked. it was like their answer to everything; “If the Vet is complaining about pain, they would shut us up with drugs”. Well one day about 4 years ago I informed the Doctor I wanted off the Oxy product/ Morphine and I now am trying Medical Marijuana. His answer was a very controversial: “YOU CAN’T DO THAT”!!! Well let… Read more »
figure8fan
I have told my story on here a few times and I feel that the VA did a terrible job at handling this situation. Many of us need these meds to have a normal life (or as normal as it can be) and so many of us had to deal with the horrors of the lose of our meds and the lose was also a abrupt stoppage of these meds to us. Many of us had to start over and… Read more »
Rick Rosado
Rick Rosado

so what can we do , and how do we do it ?

figure8fan
Rick, I wish I had the answer. I don’t know how we can fix the VA. Even if we went to Washington DC and marched I am not sure that would make a difference. It may draw some attention to us and our problems but I feel that with the Phoenix problem and the result of that so called “investigation” that we will never have a chance as long as the VA is being run in its current format. I… Read more »
TS
TS
I’m afraid nobody cares. It is what it is. If they don’t care whether you live or die, they’re not going to care if you’re suffering a miserable life. I’ve been off my medicine for well over a year now. I fought the fight and lost, and all I was taking was Vicodin. I contacted both the ABC and CBS affiliate in Columbus, Ohio and no one would touch the story. My abuse is well documented as well. The press… Read more »
figure8fan
TS, I agree with you on the “nobody cares” statement. I was on morphine for 2+ yrs. and after I moved from WA to IN I had to start over and prove to them that I had a disability that needed this type of medicine. The IN VA refused to look at the VA records in WA (10 yrs. of records) and after I jumped through the IN VA’s hoops they could not find anything wrong. I was awarded an… Read more »
TS
TS
Figure8fan, if you had to switch from morphine to Vicodin, I hope it’s going to keep you upright. That Vicodin is not going to work anywhere near as well as morphine. I took Vicodin for over 5 years, the only thing it allowed me to do is keep my body and my house halfway clean. Before they took me off of it, it was barely providing any relief, but it was better than nothing. I’ve thought about moving to Mexico,… Read more »
figure8fan
TS, it is a HUGE difference between the two. I was on Vicodin, then went to Percocet, then I had to attend chronic pain management classes (eight of them at the WA VA) and then the decision was made to put me on morphine. This was done over several years just to be clear. The WA VA started me out on Methadone fist and it made me sleepy so they switched to the morphine. Yeah, I do not get the… Read more »
Tommythis
Tommythis
SPOT ON! I was on Morphine since 2001, and I’m blessed to have a small prescription remaining, but it’s a shadow of what I once was on and never had a negative reaction with it. When the VA got me on Harvoni I was able to walk 2 miles a day after my Hep C was gone, along with Synvisc shots in my knees every 6 months. But now I can barely make it to the bathroom and what the… Read more »
jason
jason
I am veteran whom has had a personal sit down with their primary care team. Being threatened with ever growing drug contracts; being bullied in to random drug tests… Getting the stink eye during every appointment. Being treated like crap when I’d call to tell them my meds were late in the mail…. Al of these legit concerns labeled me as “drug seeking”….But I was certainly “applauded” when I volunteered to get weened off of Narcotics. The DEA and VA… Read more »
figure8fan
Jason, I know how you feel. I too am treated badly by my PCP. The Opioid safety class I had to attend was, as I call it, a brainwashing class. It main focus was that these narcotic pain meds are the devil and that we should do everything we can to get off of them. The class was being done by a Dr. from the VA pain clinic and it was very clear that she would do what she could… Read more »
TS
TS

They are exceptional at bullying, berating, and belittling veterans. I think they take a special class offered by the DEA. War 101 is know thy enemy. Turns out that it’s the same people we served to protect in the first place.

stanman47
stanman47
Pain management is no longer just a pill. It can be quite comprehensive, using several modalities to treat one person. PCP’s should refer vets to a pain management doctor for assessment purposes. I have been through it on the outside and within the VA. I know now what works for me and the change made to my medication (tramadol) only limits the number of refills per prescription. Not bad. Since the VA is careful not to over-prescribe narcotics I buy… Read more »
figure8fan
Stan, I have to use a narcotic med for my chronic pain. I also do what I can to keep active and do therapy. I have heard of vets that have had their benefits reduced because of testing for an illegal drug (an illegal drug is a narcotic medicine and/or a street drug which does not have a valid prescription). If you have your tramadol taken away and you take a urine test at your VA and it comes back… Read more »
Ryan
Ryan
The DEA rules make some sense in curbing opiate abuse, but the VA dropped the ball when they didn’t even bother to inform Veterans including myself that prescription refills would be stopped without notice or warning. Instead I spent two or three weeks trying to figure out why my prescription refill was overdue, and finally a friend at the VA let me know the new rule was the culprit. In the meantime I went to a pain management referral, for… Read more »
TommyThis
TommyThis

Dea oversee’s the hysteria, but the failure to notify and the failure to give meds to help with with drawl’s is in the lap of the VA.

namnibor
Seems to me this is the VA playing a dangerous and sadistic Passive Aggressive game of “push back and retaliation” for whistleblowers and Veterans in general for rocking the VA’s sick status quo! Plain and Pain-fully Simple. They DEA already has such a craptastic track record on the war on drugs…remember the not too long ago DEA/ATF losing track of crapload of heavy artillery weapons fitted with tracking devices…and now those very weapons are being used against our Border Patrol?… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
I commented on this happening in the thread reporting on Tomah…that veterans would be cut off cold turkey from painkillers without regard to whether they were addicted, or without regard to whether they needed them. I am surprised it took this long for this to become public. Last year after knee replacement surgery, I had a hard time getting single refill of pain medicine even though I had complications from the surgery. Not long after I got a letter from… Read more »
Gulf Vet
Gulf Vet
Tomah is now flat out denying me pain medication for severe chronic pain. I have documented medical evidence I have a severe condition. They further go on to tell me, and I have it in writing, they don’t give pain medication for my injuries. Then they go on to tell me to go to the store and get something over the counter. My quality of life has gone down to barely being able to move. I am beyond disgusted they… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

If there is any possibility of doing so, you should try and go to the Madison VA. I went there for almost 15 years. While they still had some problems, a majority of their clinics we’re far and away so much better than any other VA I have gone to, and I have been to several over the years.

91Veteran
91Veteran
This reply is to TS, but the Reply button was not available after his comment on Morphine being better than Vicodin. That may be true for you, but there are many out there who Morphine does nothing for the pain. I am one of them. After knee replacement surgery and while still in the VA hospital, they were giving me Morphine in addition to Percoset. They would give Morphine periodically, then the Percoset at a later time. The Morphine did… Read more »
Tommythis
Tommythis
91 Veteran, part of the reason for the difference in the Moprhine and the Percocet happened to me also, after my third and last operation on my right knee. I was still in the Military and the Nurse was giving me Morphine I.M. (Intra Muscularly) and I only got relief with the 2 Percocet I received later on. She told me (In laymen’s terms) “The Morphine gets into the system quicker so it leaves quicker, whereas the Percocet takes a… Read more »
Disabled Navy Veteran
Disabled Navy Veteran
I received this from Rep. Earl Blumenauer (D-OR) on Feb 9th Dear Friends, I’ve been a staunch advocate for fair military pay, educational assistance, and increased economic opportunity for our veterans since joining Congress in 1996. But like millions of Americans, veterans all too often are not getting the heath care services they need and have earned. The statistics are sobering: Over 20 percent of the 2.8 million American veterans who served in Iraq and Afghanistan suffer from PTS and… Read more »
Disabled Navy Veteran
Disabled Navy Veteran

Here is Rep. Blumenauer’s bill along with names of bipartisan co sponsors

https://www.opencongress.org/bill/hr667-114/text

New Crusader
New Crusader
Reading the above comments is terribly disturbing! What is “Pain Management” without the ability to prescribe needed medications to manage such pain. Even with all of the bad press and the so called “Veterans Service Organizations” working on our behalf we are still getting poor care and untold bureaucratic harassment from the VA for those needing “Pain Management” and many other services. As many of you point out. Nothing will improve until we band together and bring enough political pressure… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Why are we so poorly represented? That is because the big 3 vets organizations, VFW, American Legion and DAV refuse to unite and fix the problem by demanding Congress fix it rather than just throw money at it. They would rather protect their access to the upper level management and Congress. Each group advocates for generic things for vets, but they never use their collective power to demand all vets are given the medical care and benefits we have earned.… Read more »
Tommythis
Tommythis
They all seem to be the gophers for the VA. When I got back from Vietnam, none of them wanted us in their organizations, and then I noticed they were (And have been successful) in stopping VA Choice which will soon disappear. Why? Because we are forced back into the control of the VA. Trump campaigned on sending us wherever we wanted to go, but nothing has changed, it’s only gotten worse. His new VA Tool was one of the… Read more »
Just some Dude
Just some Dude
I doubt anyone in washington is going to care about vets. Someone mentioned the LBGT, same sex marriage movement and wondered why vets couldn’t band together as well. But the leftists in Washington (especially judges) cowtow and pander to the homosexual lobby. Ten years ago the thought that homosexual marriage would legal everywhere was crazy but look what the judges have done. Disabled, patriotic, red, white and blue vets aren’t loved or respected like the gays. I see a specialist… Read more »
caliwebman
caliwebman
Bottom line is this, that having any type of governmental body or federal group dictate what a person can and cannot put into their own bodies is A GROSS VIOLATION OF HUMAN RIGHTS AND UNDERMINES THE VERY FREEDOM OF A HUMANS CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE WILL OF CHOICE. FURTHERMORE, IT IS BOTH THE RIGHT AND THE TASK OF THE PEOPLE, THAT SHOULD THEIR GOVERNMENT GROW SO LARGE AND OVER-REACHING THAT IT TRESPASSES UPON THE SACRED GROUNDS OF THE PEOPLES BODY… Read more »
Gulf Vet
Gulf Vet
We are a weak and feeble lot. We gave our fight when we were young but now we’re older and feigning medical issues. While our welfare is a noble cause, we are a faceless client who are not morally tied to those who administer our care. Those we entrust with our care see us as a pitiful and downtrodden niche. The issues we see getting attention are for control of the veteran dollars – buildings and jobs take the lead.… Read more »
James McChesney
James McChesney

I’m getting my morphine cut right now 60 mils at a time and nothing to help. Been on them for 15 years along with many pain clinics that have helped me giving me Morphine . I was in a wheel chair to a cane . now with the cuts Ill be back in the chair before long. And No one cares or will answer any emails from they VA

Gulf Vet
Gulf Vet

I feel for you. I’m there myself and I could have been functioning but instead lost the time to debilitating pain. There are doctors out there who will prescribe pain meds even with the new rules. Those doctors just aren’t at the VA.

Lost but Never Forgotten
Lost but Never Forgotten
Don’t listen to these robotic doctors who don’t have any feeling about and prescribe you hardcore drugs that will kill you. Go for the natural rout. I use medical cannabis for my back pain, amputation, nerve damage, hip, migraines, and PTSD. I was using up to 12 medications that nearly killed me mutiple times. After I got out, I listened to the older vets from WW2 and the rest of the wars that we served to protect. Some of the… Read more »
namnibor
May I ask what the ramifications are if one does use Medical Cannabis? Could the VA simply take away one’s Service Connection Disability Rating Income under the guise that it’s still considered illegal under “Federal Law”? I have often thought more recently about moving out to Colorado for this very reason and I use Medicare rather than the VA Witch Dr.’s, and luckily have that option, may do not. Wondering if anyone has any insight or more importantly, facts on… Read more »
Ernest Crowe
Ernest Crowe
Hi namnibor, It sounds like you live in Georgia. I have lived in GA all my life and know for a fact Medical Cannabis will never be legal here. The Governor did start a committee to look in to a test of Med Can over the next 10 to 15 years. Don’t think I’ll be around that long. I have been at war with the VA med system for over 45 years, they delay my meds whenever I make too… Read more »
Gary M Bradshaw jr
I have been on here a couple of times with comments on the VA Opiate reduction inititave I have been on opiates for about 15 years ,I started hydros 10/325 @ 240 month ,I had Dr put me on Morphine about 400mgs a day ,I had a contract Dr back in Dec 2013 tell me what was coming ,( Opiate Reduction Inititave ) he told me if I could I should start stock piling what I could ,Thank you Dr… Read more »
Comfygirl
Comfygirl

When I moved from New Jersey to Texas it took 3 months to transfer my narcotics (which was awful) and now a month later she says that she can’t refill it because of the positive test for cannabis.

James McChesney
James McChesney

same thing here . Is there anything we can do?

James McChesney
James McChesney

I feel you you. It is just happening to me . I started raising hell now I’m a trouble maker. I’m in GA No one will listen ? I guess when were all dead they will be happy

daniel
daniel
Currently dealing with the same thing here in wv. I have multiple back injuries, a left shoulder injury, GSW to the left leg with extreme nerve damage and knee pain. After six yrs of the same two pain relieving rx’s and what has worked best. I am now being treated like some sort of criminal on probation, i have to go in for pill counts and urine tests and am constantly belittled and made to feel the same. What do… Read more »
Canadian Military
Canadian Military
We are going through this in Canada as well (I’m military here and wanted to see what was going on in the US to compare notes). For us it started when we’d see our doctors about late 2013. We were told our insurance (which does cover emergency visits, ambulance rides, etc) would no longer cover narcotic pain killers. Too many people were abusing them and dying. Basically, it felt like we were told this is how it is; if you… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

Good to see you here CM. Hope you come back often. If I recall correctly, Toronto has a bad heroin problem, and rather than trying to address it, they decided to hand out free needles as well as other things that just made it easier to be an addict. It sucks that veterans have to suffer for that. Keep your chin up and GO HAWKS!

Dee
Dee
Do you really think that free needle exchange is correlated with increased use? Newsflash: handing out condoms and allowing for legal safe abortions has actually decreased teen pregnancy in states where both occur, while states with increased barriers to unplanned pregnancy report more teen pregnancies. You would probably complain that those who share needles and then need HIGHLY EXPENSIVE HEP C TREATMENT are part of the problem too, right? The reality is, the VA way over prescribes narcotics. I know… Read more »
Terz
Terz
Dee I think when it comes to your statement that the VA “way over prescribes narcotics” you are only presenting a half truth. It is certainly true that some VA’s in some states are over prescribing, but it is equally true that just as many VA’s in other states are under prescribing, and their patients are suffering for it. It is hyperbole fueled by the media that has perpetuated this myth that VA’s across the board are handing out narcotics… Read more »
Dee
Dee
Terz: Where do you get your information regarding “hyperbole fueling the media”? Seriously, I would like to read this. I just did a quick google search and found numerous reports of concerns that the VA over-prescribes that included, but was not limited to, referencing the following sources: internal VA research, external VA research, current providers, current staff, former providers, former staff, patients, patients’ families…and I understand pain sucks. Getting old sucks. But covering it up and developing dependence on a… Read more »
Terz
Terz
NOT “Hyperbole feeding the media” but “hyperbole fed by the media.” Case in point, the highly publicized “overdose” death of Ohio veteran Scott McDonald was held up as the poster child for needed prescription reform at the VA. His widow Heather was paraded around denouncing how reckless was the VA. She even testified before Congress. When the autopsy results were released it showed he had been taking several psychiatric medications, a prescription NSAID, and Percocet. It also showed he had… Read more »
Dee
Dee
First of all, how is it a “basic human right” to receive heroin in pill form? And where, outside this one secret autopsy case, is the larger more comprehensive research that this country, and especially the VA, under-prescribes? I look forward to reading that when you find it. I am also curious about how a long-term opiate prescription has decreased your disability and/or improved your quality of life. Really. Because I have spent many years studying how the brain and… Read more »
Terz
Terz
First of all, we are not talking about heroin in pill form. Heroin like the ingredient in opiate pain relievers are derivatives of opium, but to compare oxycodone, codeine, or hydrocodone to heroin is just more hyperbolic nonsense that I alluded to earlier. Using your train of thought I suppose a compound fracture, post operative pain, and a severed limb don’t even qualify as painful enough to warrant opiate intervention. I didn’t realize Josef Mengele founded a school of medicine.… Read more »
Dee
Dee

Gotcha.

Scott Bruno
I’ll tell you exactly how and why this has happened. The DEA has come down hard on senior level doctors to stop prescribing opioid’s or face revocation of their license to practice. In the process of executing this move they made examples of quite a few physicians by jailing them and taking their license’s. So all physicians are now scared shitless to prescribe opiates. As many of you have come to realize what this move did was send many of… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
A couple things I find interesting about your comment. Commit malpractice, main and kill veterans and federal officials ignore you, let you keep your license and continue harming veterans. But, you prescribe opiates, whether there is a medical basis or not, and you can bet your ass federal officials will come after your license. As for poppy seeds and baking, I believe some will cause a positive hit on a drug test. Albeit a tiny amount, but I believe it… Read more »
TommyThis
TommyThis
While I was still in the Military I had a friend who was an excellent mechanic and Air Crewman with a spotless record, who was sent for a random urinalysis. He had turned up positive because of a poppy seed bagel he had before starting work. I couldn’t get over the zeal that the moron’s at H.Q. went after him. He ended up having to hire his own attorney who was able to demonstrate that the bagel was the source… Read more »
obama
this is more proof of the government not taking care of its people. the veterans deserve way better than this. they fought for our/their freedom, only to have more of theirs and mine freedoms of choice removed from us! the government agaencies,ALL OF THEM are hurting us and we are sitting back and letting them. including myself. how do we take back our rights to pursue happieness, which wont happen while in pain. the government lies, cheats and steals, then… Read more »
Jim
Jim
I agree with many of the posts here. I have had my pain meds cut in half for no reason at all. One month earlier the nurse practitioner even agreed that I was a low dosage of hydrocodone for severe pain. Doesn’t matter, next month she cut it by half and gave me a B.S. story. I have my congressman looking into it but says the V.A. has a full 30 days to respond to him. Mean while the V.A.… Read more »
Fa Qu Bozo
Fa Qu Bozo

Try to switch to methadone.

Dash Riprock
Dash Riprock

No, No, No, they are cutting people off methadone cold turkey and the withdrawals are many times worse than any other drug.

Tony
Tony
I live in chronic pain and now I’m being taken off my pain killers. I am not addicted to mine as I purposely stop taking mine a few days out of every month to ensure myself I can quite anytime I want. Don’t get me wrong, as the the pain is so bad at times that I go days without sleep and tears roll down my face. I also have a very high tolerance for pain as I pass kidney… Read more »
Dee Green
Dee Green
It’s happening to every chronic pain patient throughout the country. They are even threatening pain treatment physicians to the point that they are afraid to treat chronic pain patients. The media hysteria is being fed false and misleading “studies” by the Anti-Opioid Cartel on a daily basis. There are 100 million people in the US who suffer with chronic pain and are being told to “suck it up” or ” live with it”. It’s time to Stand Up and Be… Read more »
figure8fan
Dee, I was sent through the “Pain Clinic” at the Indy VAMC. During the orientation, we were told that we would be allowed to keep our narcotic pain meds and that it was a lie that the Pain Clinic would take them away from us. That was all a lie and the Indy’s VAMC trick to get veterans into the Pain Clinic program in which the first thing they tell you is “we will be taking away your narcotics and… Read more »
Fa Qu Bozo
Fa Qu Bozo

I have been suddenly put on 6 10m methadone a day. True they took my 30 ir morph 15s….but 6 lol

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