Camp Lejeune

On Friday, outgoing Sec VA Robert McDonald approved massive payouts for an estimated 900,000 veterans exposed to toxic Camp Lejeune water.

The plan is estimated to cost $2.2 billion over the next five years to finally compensate veterans exposed for at least 30 cumulative days to toxic water at the Marine base in North Carolina. Payments are set to start in March for qualifying veterans.

The decision was reached following years of research and haggling between veterans, Veteran Service Organizations, and internal stakeholders within the federal government.

Secretary McDonald concluded there was “sufficient scientific and medical evidence” to established a connection.

That connection was between exposures to the contaminated water and eight medical conditions believed to be linked to the exposures, from August 1, 1953, to December 31, 1987.

Camp Lejeune Presumptives

The conditions covered for qualifying veterans are:

  • adult leukemia,
  • aplastic anemia,
  • bladder cancer,
  • kidney cancer,
  • liver cancer,
  • multiple myeloma,
  • non-Hodgkin’s lymphoma and
  • Parkinson’s disease.

Camp Lejeune Presumptive Background

Veterans groups have prosecuted the matter for years once word got out that fuel tanks and other toxins leaked into the drinking water for Camp Lejeune soldiers and family members. Tests confirmed that the drinking water there was unsafe for drinking.

In 2012, Congress passed a bill signed by the president to provide free medical care to veterans and family members affected by the toxic water. However, veterans and survivors were not automatically provided disability compensation or survivor compensation benefits.

In 2015, VA began rewriting its regulations in support of presumptive service connection for disability benefits for veterans who could show they were present at Camp Lejeune during the required period of time for at least 30 days.

The presumption creates an easier path for service connection for disability compensation. Now, veterans can bypass the typical requirement for a nexus letter from a medical examiner showing that a connection may exist between the exposure and a veteran’s present condition.

The standard is generally that the president disabling condition is at least as likely as not linked to the in-service condition, injury or exposure.

Before Friday, VA agreed to provide presumptive decisions for 15 conditions that allowed affected veterans to secure health care benefits.

Now, veterans with any of the 8 conditions cited above will also be eligible for compensation pay to offset the impact toxic exposures had on their earning capacity after military service.

Around 1,400 disability compensation claims are pending related to Camp Lejeune exposures that will be reviewed to determine if the new policy will allow swift adjudication of claims.

This decision has been a long time coming for many veterans who died while waiting for benefits. And for those still with us, the benefits allocated starting in March will provide much needed relief.

Ex va

This is great news for Veterans, again why does this take so long for benefits and why did they let this problem continue when they had knowledge of a problem? From 1953 to 1987 and the life threatening diseases resulting from this exposure.
If asked no one would want to be exposed to poisons to cause deadly, suffering diseases. All the recruits going thru boot camp, disgusting to deliberately expose them to this. That is inexcusable.

91Veteran
Why does it take so long? It takes so long for at least 3 reasons. 1. VA researchers that look on issues like this as a kind program where they can work researching the issue for years. 2. Senior policy makers in the VA ignoring independent evidence and with no clinical experience whatsoever declaring no harm from the exposure. Agent Orange, DU, Burn Pits, etc., come to mind. 3. The impact to the VAs budget. This is why McDonald is… Read more »
Jo3n
Very few marches over the years. Seems Veterans endure, and hopefully their families can endure. But, the bonus army and any references associated with, as a march on ??? Where ever, may become more than just a choice. What Martin Luther king said, about, we are not wrong in what we are doing, because if we are wrong, then the Constitution is wrong. In all our actions, we must stick together. I believe we need a way to be heard.
ANutterVet
@Benjamin Krause, JD – Was there any mention of Veteran’s families being awarded benefits [payments] if a claim was filed by a Veteran who is now deceased? The more that I learn about the VA, is that they are like Big Corporate Businesses that are protected to the hill from being prosecuted in a timely manner. At least the VA is not like those Pharma companies that are protected from law suits, due to the affects-effects of tetracycline that destroys… Read more »
Dina Padilla
It is called RISK management and the less that is paid out on claims, then they can have the insurers reinvest the money on Wall st. and get dividends that perhaps does not have to go back from whence they came, the risk management insurance department which is used to show lower amount of claims and a false perception of the problems besetting our veterans, this is how they get the investments back, no claims, more, investment money back to… Read more »
Ex va

@Jo3n agreed. Yes, i think a lot of people in this country do not understand the depth of all of it.

Tony paige
Sgt Tony r Paige USMC camp lejeune, NC, Feb 12th 1977- July 10th 1983, I will never give up, been filing claim after claim for over 20 years, only to be denied over and over. Besides all the conditions I have, my Daughter, was born with medical neurological problems and my wife at that same time lost a child to miscarriage, now they want to limit the claims to certain conditions. I’m in the process now of filing a new… Read more »
James Gallegos
Yes ur right about the VBA doing whatever they can to deny veteran’s their deserved disability. I am so sorry what you had to go through. I know how it feels to loose a child. My wife and I lost twins. Premature. This was done to veteran’s that were exposed the Agent Orange. I was not exposed to Agent Orange. I was shot in the head and I knew I was suffering from PTSD and the VA denied my claim… Read more »
Ex va
@ANutterVet, i hope you can get the correct medications from the va soon. I hate the circumstances that you are in. It took my brother in law a few months to get the heart medications he needed, It was so wrong on what they were trying to do to him. He was in Vietnam. Now my neighbor who is Vietnam Veteran hasn’t had too much trouble getting services. He wrote some letters and they started helping him right. I worry… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Ex va – I had many Veteran friends when I lived in Hawaii that were exposed to Agent Orange. It took the VA a long time to recognize the issue with this defoliant too. They get away with things for a long time. It broke my heart watching my friends suffer, as they were complaining to the VA. A lot of pressure on the spouse, kids, and even their dogs. The last I heard, the VA doesn’t even believe that… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Ex va – I ended making Chamomile tea with L-Tryptophan, L-Theanine mixed in. Then did powdered GABA for a boost. I have no recourse but to due what is referred to as bio hacking [no not related to Russia]. This is true news. I have been studying and experimenting with vitamins, supplements, organic compounds, nootropics, essential oils, and raw juicing for over 40 years. I still have an old Acme juicer that my Grand Mother gave me in 1975. No… Read more »
Ex va
@ANutterVet, i did some juicing and i need to get back to it because it did make me feel a little better. Tryptophan is in turkey right? Makes you kinda sleepy. I need to try some of those supplements. I take some vitamins and supplements. That sounds like a nice juicer. I got a good deal on mixer it is like a vita mixer it can pulverize anything. You could make some good $$$ with the dog food idea. Everyone… Read more »
namnibor
I used to be on 3 mg extended release Alprazolam daily plus up to additional 2 mg for breakthrough panic attacks and when even now in private healthcare they were giving me such a damn hard time and wanting to screw around with meds as a human pin cushion after 19 years of a med actually helping and working, I said ENOUGH and am focusing my mind and learning new stuff with my serious hobby of music and occasional artwork…and…I… Read more »
Cantigny
@namnibor: >>We should not have to fight for the right to be somewhat comfortable with our particular health crap….but we do. true, we should not. reality is as you say, “but we do”. and oh does it get so blatantly tiring. like a beat-down some weeks. legal MM isn’t any better either as VA is federal and its their nature to jerk a veteran around so i’m too skeptical to try it. second the music as a big plus!! great… Read more »
Ex va
The man is the anchor i believe that keeps everyone safe in a harbor. That is what i have seen when they suffer the family does too. A family needs their husband, father, grandfather and they have to continue for the family. I have seen dogs cry when family members cry. An animal can suffer from loss, so how much more does a human suffer? It is hard to see suffering or experience it. It is something people do not… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – The more we chat, I believe that we closely have related problems and are experiencing many similar symptoms. If you ever need information [I can’t give out advice] on supplements, just ask away. I steer you with options the best I can. All natural of course.

ANutterVet

@Ex va – All is quiet on the home front. I’m here trying to do my best teaching my buddy new commands. He is a ham, spoiled as can be. He loves freeze dried lamb lungs, and fresh liver. He has more toys than I did when I was a kid. And I was an only child. Go figure.

Ex va

@ANutterVet, that is great. My dog is spoiled too. She was a rescue with a lot of problems. She is extremely loyal. Do you cook the liver? I know some people give their pets raw meat and i heard some say it is good, some veterinarian say no.

ANutterVet
@Ex va – I put Crazy elf in an above post. Shows you what lack of sleep does. Oh well, it all good. Yes, we do cook all meats for the boy. Before cooking, we wash the meat then pat it dry with paper towels. Can’t trust those bacteria nowadays. My boy even eats tangerines, watermelon, cantaloupe, tomatoes, and yogurt balls. He loves meat fat. The next time you go to the Pet Store, price out the cost of Pet… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Ex va – If you need any help with dog issues let me know. At one time, I had my own Dog Tip Show on an L.A. Radio station that aired across the country. I got that gig by saving the producers dog from being poisoned. The Veterinarian didn’t have a clue. Strange how things work.

Ex va
Sounds like you have a calling to help our k-9 friends. When i was extremely sick my dog wouldn’t leave my side. That is how loyal she has been to me. Thanks for the advice. I like to think a higher power helps us so we can help others. I have seen things in life that could only be explained as miraculous. Coincidence does happen to, but have seen some really good things happen for people and that makes me… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Yes, I feel it. I love dogs, love to help people with dogs, and to help owners from getting over billed [saying it nicely] by veterinarians.

Ex va
@ANutterVet, that is one lucky dog. I didn’t even think of the bacteria side of it. I didn’t give any of my dogs raw meat and i am glad. She just wants to eat whatever we eat and that little caesars food and beneful. PetCo prices are out of sight. Can’t afford and i have bought expensive and dogs don’t like some of it. I tried the yogurt cookies and treats, they wouldn’t touch them. Milkbones they like and dental… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Ex va – To save costs, cook liver and remember to save the juice. Since your dog likes table food, you can always add vegetables, and brown rice to make the food stretch, and also to cut you pet food down. Remember, do not give your dog onions [disrupts stomach enzymes], uncooked garlic, grapes, raisons, or dark chocolate for these are toxic to their system. We always use the brown rice because it helps keep their bowels tight, has a… Read more »
Ex va

Those Alaskan malamutes are beautiful. I had one when i was a kid. Saved my life from a bull coming after me when i was crossing a field. Gave me time to get thru a barbed wire fence. Scared me didn’t know it was in the field.

Ex va

Have to write this down, didn’t know about the brown rice. I knew chocolate is deadly. Didn’t know about the other stuff being harmful too.

ANutterVet
I found that the females are more homey type. Where the male likes to roam. They are good family dogs. Unless you get one with a chewing problem. I had one named, Snook, and he pulled out the side of a brand new mattress. That bugger cost me some bucks. His head was more than a foot in diameter. I use to race them too. And, I would take them to the store when going shopping. Put the kids on… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Ex va – I find that it helps me to watch late night Christian TV. I don’t share this too much, but I once was an Associate Pastor at an Assembly of God Church in Hawaii. I’m far from perfect, but His blood covers my shortcomings.

Ex va

@ANutterVet, I am a believer too. Christian television helps me too. I would truly be lost without God. I pray a lot. It helps.

ANutterVet

I thought you were. That’s why I brought it up. And, I can tell just by how you write, and what you put into it. That should give you some good confirmation my Brother. I wouldn’t marry wife until I knew she truly gave her life to Jesus. My first wife, well God Bless her.

Ex va
I try to lift people up if i can, i feel responsible if someone is in need. If i can’t lift myself up sometimes helping someone else helps me get there. This life is so hard on people sometimes, i try not to make it more of a burden on anyone else. You don’t know where some people are at in this life and what they are going thru. A little kindness and respect can help some people when they… Read more »
ANutterVet
@Ex va – Besides being an Investigative Research Biologist, I also went to Baking School for 3 years, worked for Hewlett Packard where I redesigned production lines, and interviewed, hired, and trained new PhD graduates from major Ivy League Schools in Chemical, Electrical, and Mechanical Engineering. For the past 15 years, I’ve been educating myself in Colored Precious and Semi Precious Gemstones [not diamonds]. I find science to be very fascinating. So, if your looking for some gemstone bling, give… Read more »
Ex va

Rofl. That is funny. Sounds like you have a lifetime of knowledge and talents. That is cool being a biologist. I like the sciences didn’t make it on the professional level where you are at that is a lot of education. I have had a wide range too in the working side of life. I will keep that in mind about the gemstones. I don’t understand the big deal about diamonds colored gemstones are more interesting.

ANutterVet

In closing, remember that common diamonds are not rare. They are a commodity. They control the price by only releasing so many at a time. Greedy. Ex va, where I lack is things like woodwork, car repair, home repair, etc. I can do it after reading a book, but it takes me a while. With that my Brother, good night.

91Veteran

You would be surprised at the instructional videos you can find on YouTube.

Some are much better than others.

ANutterVet
@91Veteran – Yes, there are a lot on YouTube. But to put a nice gemstone specimen in your hand for examination is another thing. I was intrigued by gemstones late in life. If I started collecting Tanzanite back in the late 60’s early 70’s, I would be very well off. What the Jewelry Stores are passing off as Tanzanite is mostly low grade material. The material has low saturation of color. Our friends in whom our country is indebted too… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Ex va – Well my Brother, its 4am and the sack is a calling. You have a good night, and we’ll chat later tomorrow. I may take a brake for a little while, but who knows. Depends if I get fired up or not with some postings. That Dan Martinez, I had enough of that dude. We’ll just turn him over to @Seymore Klearly to set his buttflake to melt.

Ex va

Goodnight brother, great chatting with you.

Lem

So many situations like this need to be addressed. Cerebral Malaria AKA p. falciparum.

OLDMARINE

you guys looking into health research beck blood purifier,MMS and EDTA

namnibor
This is great that the outgoing VA Sec. is throwing Veterans a deserved bone but I have to wonder just how long they sat on this decision with all that time involved ignoring it like agent orange? With that said, we all know how well the VA complied with the presumptive for agent orange and Vets are still wrestling with the VA if they are still alive…how will this huge payout for Camp Lejeune be any different from the huge… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – Totally agree with your statement. Veterans getting a 4-finger prostate exam. Ouch, stop that, it hurts you asshole. I mean my asshole.

Seymore Klearly

Personally I suspect that there is a good measure of Trumphobia involved. Also that if Trump hadn’t been elected this would not be happening now.

If Hillary would have won. I do believe that this would have been one of the issues swept under carpet.

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Seymore Klearly

If the news on Camp Lejeune had been released before or during the election it would have put Veterans up front and center. Something that certainly would have helped Trump.

Also I believe that it is only coming to light now because he is about to be sworn in and McDonald knows issues like these are going to be front and center for the new IG.

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91Veteran

…more research is needed….

$2.2 billion and 1400 claims comes to a little over $1.5 million per claim.

That’s a LOT of salary for multiple claims denials.

I’m curious how they arrived at that 2.2 figure.

Seymore Klearly
I am with you on that 91Veteran. It also shows just how broken the system is. Makes you wonder how many Veterans lost their lives or had them destroyed because of the problems. How much money was spent to cover it up for so long and all the less than honorable people who got paid to do it. In a system that respects active duty personal and Veterans the research would have started the minute they realized there was a… Read more »
ANutterVet

Benjamin Krause, JD – On average, the payment adds up to $2,444.44 per person. Is this enough? When in total it seems like a large settlement, but per individual its worth a high end stainless steel refrigerator. Seems kind of low per the medical conditions that are listed in your article. I mean it doesn’t surprise me that the Government offered a meager payout. Again, Veterans getting shafted. That’s how I see it. Correct me if I’m wrong?

Lem

Like all VA fixes since the Revolutionary War, it is a “look nice” for the voter, not intended to be a real fix that would cost the 1% their fair share.

OLDMARINE

I get 30 percent for my kidney witch comes out to about 407.00 a month and any secondary claim they deny……..give me my kidney back minus the cyst and they can stick their 407 up there ass

Ex va

@OldMarine, sorry about your disability and injury, i think you need to put in another claim for this so you can get an increase. Take care.

james gallegos
Yes, you have to continue reapplying, every time they do one action. Don’t let you claim lapse ! The VA has done this to thousands of veterans and hope you go away or die before the veterans obtain the deserved rating, One could be 100% disabled and the VA will nickel and dime the veterans 10% then 20% and so on, but the veterans must keep disagreeing with their decision. As stated before the VA admitted that for every claim… Read more »
Crazy elf
To my brothers and sisters, First, I want to say, how the fuck does this new VA bull shit help the “Former Marines” who’ve died. Like my “brother” did last year. He’d been fighting the VA for years, once he heard about it. Will his spouse receive anything? I doubt it! Now, I believe, like us who fought VA for the “Agent Orange” exposure, will be dead before the truth ever comes out! Hell, I’ve never met one vet who… Read more »
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf – Here is a website “www.endthefed.org”. Explains Federal Reserve as well. We’re all being shafted.

T
I agree. That is a good read about the Fed and should be read by all, but won’t be. Most people want to remain ignorant to a multitude of things. There should be a free speech forum for vets to air their issues, but can’t be found. Censorship is rampant and forums like the one at Military dot com went the path of the far left and is now ruined. Politicians and others want to keep kicking the can down… Read more »
T
PS. The bankruptcy thing forces people to file a Chap 13 instead of a Chap 7. Meaning there is forced payments of some amount instead of starting over with a clean slate. Also the attorney gets an extra couple of grand in dollars for seeing to it that a Chap 13 is filed. Then we are told not to worry, we aren’t the ones paying for the extra amount charged for the ‘forced change’ in filing. How the hell that… Read more »
Lem
T, I did an undeclared bankruptcy when I gave up trying to be employed in 1991. I simply let all payments go until they were turned over to credit collectors. At that point the interest goes to 0%. I only had VA compensation and SSDI at the time–just before the new bankruptcy rules went into effect. Since both were not attachable I could maintain one low limit credit card paying off monthly to maintain a reasonable credit score (not my… Read more »
T
Lem. I don’t know if I could have got by doing that or not. The phone calls from collection agencies was insane. So were the threats that are supposedly illegal, but no-one at the state or local levels seem to want to do their jobs, or to protect citizens from any or all of the predators, or corrupt nasty people out there. I was informed my savings could be drained too as well as any possible incoming disability back pay.… Read more »
Lem
The only “jailing of a debtor” that I know of that is constitutional, is false statements, “refusing to pay with money in your mattress” or delivering an attached asset such as hiding a car, especially avoidance of child support. You can be put on a work gang in some states to pay off your child support unless you willing come up with it to keep a high paying job. None of those applied to me. I couldn’t drive because of… Read more »
Lem

Case in point! What does Glen Beck getting fired have to do with Camp Legume or even the VA period?

NiteWish

I can only hope this plan provides some ‘relief’ for one of my cousins who was stationed at Camp Lejeune who pretty much disappeared into the Montana wilderness to get away from everything & everyone.

What the heck is going on at Fort Hood & Fort Bliss… so many dead soldiers? Ft Hood will be tainted forever, that was a terrorist attack not a work place violence incident. Denials & cover-ups never cease.
“http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4119404/Mystery-soldier-23-dead-Fort-Hood-barracks.html”

namnibor
Had a thought: Will the VA be so cunning to go ahead in addition to whatever particular “payout” the VA dishes-out, to also include *paid for private medical CHOICE outside of the VA”, but then be so wile and turn around and not *pay* those bills, requiring affected paid-out Vets to fend for their own in a “Limited Liability” Non-Disclosure kind of way? I know this is over-thinking it a tad but we have witnessed of span of years and… Read more »
namnibor

Also, what about the Veteran Spouses/Children that ALSO drank that same water on that Marine Base? What about Gov’t/Fed workers and Contractors? That pile of $$$ will be grazed-down rather fast or all non-Veteran type claims of this nature handled by DOD separately from Vets?

Ex va
@namnibor, i have a lot of questions also. The stress of financial responsibility for delays of payments makes a lot of people manically and unneedlessly stressed. It is not right to do this to Veterans and their families who are disabled and seriously suffering illnesses. Veterans i know feel responsible even though the disease is service connected. The families do everything they can to contribute because they love their family member. This stress should never be on the Veteran and… Read more »
Larry Smith

Did anyone notice it started with 12 different diseases and now is eight. I’m sure the union will find someway to skim off their share

Crazy elf
Here’s my thoughts for today. Over $19 TRILLION in debt, correct?! Plus, in the past eight years, over $9.35 TRILLION accumulated by Obama. For some reason, I just can’t fathom this much being spent for our nation’s agencies and wars. Especially when no other POTUS accumulated this much debt. So, let’s just examine this practically. We know, for a fact, many agencies have been caught dealing in possible illegal contracts. These contacts deal in BILLIONS of taxpayers monies. Example; One… Read more »
Crazy elf

Am I over-thinking things here? I don’t think so!

Lem
Crazy elf or communist mole? And with unpaid for tax cuts will be over 30 trillion with in 4 years of the tax breaks. Look at what happened with the last two tax breaks that mostly benefited the top 1% and corporations. Who needs to have corporate money come to the U S other than Wall Street. Raise their tax rate to bring it home and make them stimulate over seas markets with that capital in over seas markets or… Read more »
Crazy elf
Hmmmm, I guess now I’m considered a “communist mole”. All because I, as probably others, have questions concerning how some of our elected and appointed officials have become richer. While serving in positions not really meant for them to gain from possible illegal contracts. Plus, because the tax breaks PE Trump, as did President Reagan, is wanting to set in place, which will cause our economy to thrive. Because, for the past eight years, under Obama, has stagnated at less… Read more »
Lem

It is all of your “fake news” posts that get me, Crazy elf. You don’t seem to post much factually based verifiable news posts. Just questioning the motivation? Seems we do have some Putin moles out and about on the internet.

Lem

Especially the “fake news” posts that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Seymore Klearly

Hey Elf,

Don’t waste your time with Lem.

He is just a total troll at times.

I agree with you on the money and how it just keeps getting eat-up by the corruption in our government. Keep up the Great posting.

Lem

Really? Actually Seymore you do occasionally present items on topic. Much more often than Crazy elf and with much fewer “false news” reports. I call a spade a spade. What is your problem?

Crazy elf
@Lem, Just what did I post do you find as “fake news”! “Illegal contracts where VA upper management were just sentenced to prison”? As was reported by news sources in Ohio recently! “Art work of the Bolder at a Northern California VHA clinic”? As reported by the GAO last year. “Stagnation of the GDP”, (-2% for the past 8 years), as reported by “The Wall Street Journal”! Or, how about these articles. A murderer brought back to Indiana in August… Read more »
Seymore Klearly

Elf,

For Lem, if a news organization didn’t repeatedly say that Hillary was going to win and that there was no way possible for Trump to win, then it is a fake news organization.

Of course those Hillary will win news orgs all call the real news orgs fake news.

Seymore Klearly

Either Lem is just trolling, or he is a Veteran who may mean well, but has problems with his reasoning capabilities.

But more and more it seems that he is trying to engage people just to waste there time and to kill discussion on subjects.

Which is it Lem? Are you a troll or do you have issues?

Lem

I hope I’ve pointed out my concerns and answered your Question, Seymore.

Seymore Klearly

Lem,

You have attached me, namnibor and others in the past. Now today you are after Elf and a few others on this blog. I don’t want to get down on you but I believe the questions I have asked are reasonable at this point.

Which is it Lem? Are you a troll or do you have issues?

Lem
Attached or attacked? I have disagreed with several posts but not on a personal level. I may have forgotten myself on occasion and if so I apologize to any who are on here about the care of veterans. If you are here as a political troll or a Putin operative you deserve no apology. I hope this is the only time I get of the subject of veteran’s care. If anyone would care to point out any specific instances I’ll… Read more »
Lem
As for issues, I have reported them on several of Benjamin’s threads. Primarily under 38 CFR 3.105(a) and 3.154. In case you don’t know what they are 3.105(a) has to due with compensation denied by “Clear and unmistakable errors”. 3.154 is related to malpractice. If either of those apply to anyone on the board and their VSO representatives (as is usual) never brought them up then I suggest you get an attorney. Benjamin seems overloaded and primarily works on the… Read more »
Seymore Klearly

Thank You Lem!

Ralph D Carmona Sr

Shut up asshole

Lem

As I was saying, I love trolling the trollers who name call. Welcome to the circle jerk that is going nowhere, Ralph.

Or possibly you could post something on topic and of value–anything on topic is of values to someone.

Lem

Case in point! While accurate I believe you find the budget problems are the purview of the Congress. Find where a President has miss spent appropriated money and you may have a point. Apparently you don’t understand Constitutional powers, Crazy elf.

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