Suicidal Veteran Forced To Wait Over 15 Weeks For Needed Psychiatric Care

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Suicidal Veteran Wait Times

At least four veterans were likely harmed due to consultation wait times affecting almost half of all veterans seeking care including on suicidal veteran.

That suicidal veteran was admitted for inpatient care while waiting seven weeks following waiting over eight weeks for a psychiatric consultation the veteran ultimately missed.

In all, the veteran experienced mental health decline due to multiple failures by Montana VA to ensure the veteran received timely access to care. IG documented numerous failures including a lack of documentation and urgency when addressing the veteran’s mental health needs.

Does his treatment sound anything like that explained in the Guide To VA Mental Health Services For Veterans & Families?

Once you take a look at the overall VISN 19 wait time numbers VA OIG buried in this report, you will need to ask whether VA is really making a dent in the wait time crisis.

VISN 19 Wait Times By Facility

This suicidal veteran was not alone when seeking needed care within the VISN 19 healthcare system. Delays were erratic from facility to facility, but show veterans still experience problems seeking care:

VA OIG Wait Time Numbers VISN 19

How many billions did VA receive from Congress to fix the wait time crisis only to maintain unacceptable wait times? What will it really take to fix this problem?

Suicidal Veteran Wait Story

According to the VA OIG report released Friday exposing multiple problems at the Montana VA:

The patient was a male in his early 30s who had a history of post-traumatic stress disorder. The patient had a job that involved working at an out-of-state location for several weeks at a time. In 2014, as part of the process for establishing care at the system, he saw a counselor for an initial mental health assessment. The patient did not report taking any mental health-related medications, such as antidepressants, at that time. The counselor noted a plan to refer the patient for counseling at a Vet Center and psychiatric medication management. The counselor documented calling the Vet Center, and the patient was scheduled for an appointment with a psychiatrist for approximately 8 weeks later.  

The patient did not come and did not call to cancel the appointment with the psychiatrist. Three days after the scheduled appointment that the patient missed, he contacted the Veterans Crisis Line and reported experiencing suicidal thoughts. With agreement from the patient, the Veterans Crisis Line staff referred the patient to the system’s suicide prevention coordinator. The coordinator documented that she made an unsuccessful attempt to contact the patient the following day and left a voicemail. The EHR does not contain documentation that the patient returned the coordinator’s call.

In 2015, the patient saw a system mental health nurse as a walk-in after an appointment with a Vet Center therapist. That therapist referred the patient to the mental health clinic because the patient informed the therapist that he had made a suicide attempt within the last week. The patient denied suicidal thoughts, plans, or intent to the nurse. The nurse documented reviewing her plan. As part of that plan, she encouraged the patient to reschedule his appointment with a psychiatrist, consider a referral for evaluation of substance use disorder, and go to the Emergency Department (ED) if he experienced a crisis. The nurse also indicated that the patient had limited availability for a psychiatry appointment since he would be out-of-state for work for several weeks and would then return to Montana for one week the following month. The patient did not reschedule his psychiatry appointment.

Five days later, the Vet Center therapist contacted the mental health clinic to notify them that she had received two calls from the patient the previous day. During those calls, the patient told the therapist that he was out-of-state and was having suicidal thoughts. The therapist advised the patient to go to the ED, but noted that the patient seemed reluctant to follow that advice because he was working out-of-state at the time and was unable to easily travel to an ED. The same day, the primary care provider (PCP) ordered an in-house, routine telemental health consult for the patient to be seen by a psychiatrist. Over the following week, staff documented multiple attempts to contact the patient to schedule an appointment. An appointment was scheduled for the patient to see a psychiatrist in about 7 weeks. The patient’s PCP subsequently noted in the patient’s EHR that the patient needed to be seen by either a VA or non-VA psychiatrist within a week. Three days later, the PCP received a reply that non-VA provider wait time was the same as VA wait time.

Before the date of the scheduled outpatient psychiatry appointment, the patient was transferred from a community hospital to another VA hospital. The patient was admitted to the inpatient psychiatry unit for suicidal ideation. At the time of admission to the VA hospital, the patient noted that he had been admitted to a community hospital the prior month for suicidal ideation.

In conclusion, the patient had delayed psychiatric care due to several factors, including the challenges of trying to schedule an appointment for a patient who worked out-of-state for several weeks at a time as well as documented limited access to outpatient psychiatric care at the system and in the community. It is noteworthy that the patient’s PCP did not initiate a medication, such as antidepressant, while the patient was waiting for an appointment in mental health. That provider did not document the rationale for ordering a consult rather than attempting to treat the patient in the primary care setting, so it is unclear whether this decision was a reflection of the PCP’s confidence to provide that care. Further, system staff did not refer the patient to a community provider because of observed limited access in the community. Nonetheless, the patient had multiple indications for urgent scheduling an appointment at the time of submission of the outpatient psychiatry consult. More timely care could have helped to avert the mental health decline that contributed to his suicidal thoughts and need for inpatient admission.

So how long will it take for President Donald Trump and Company to reign in the bureaucrats holding back the necessary reforms veterans desperately need fixed now?

Source: https://www.va.gov/oig/pubs/VAOIG-16-00621-175.pdf

Ex va
Ex va
Do you know why most appointments are a no-show? Because the Veteran is not aware of the appointment, because that is part of the scam or scheme to schedule phantom appointments to make the doctor or providers schedule look always full with appointments. There are so many individuals involved in on the scam. You need an immediate appointment? Ask for next available appointment and see how many weeks or months before an next available is open. Because of these phantom… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
I have a relative that considers it a crapshoot each time he has a scheduled appointment with his Indianapolis VAMC. Why a crapshoot? Because well-over 50% of the time after he makes the 70+ mile drive to Indianapolis VAMC, upon arrival he has found that they either cancelled his appointment (without any rescheduling nor even notifying him), or he gets there for say an 08:30 appointment and is STILL sitting in waiting areas of the “Purple Team” close to closing… Read more »
steven g larson
steven g larson
DIDO I am after 25 years of there antidepresents that didn’t work or side effects,,, I no longer take any,, and rely only on GOD and my self to go on,,, There help was really worse then what I do , Yep we employ thousands of government personnel is really what Disabled Vets do,,, and then give them a great salary to go home with while we give up our talents,,, and ever be able to work,,, and they give… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran
Today I had my first Choice appointment on this latest referral. Last time I was referred it took 57 days of calling Choice for them to get their shit together and schedule an appointment. Yes, I believe you are right, they were gaming things to make the wait times the same. The last time I was referred, I don’t recall ever getting a letter from the VA, and may have eventually gotten a letter from Choice, but I don’t think… Read more »
LP
LP

Holy shit,
The first part of your goat rope story about the choice program is EXACTLY THE SAME AS what happened to me.
The end part where you got care and all that…I wasn’t cool enough I guess.

91Veteran
91Veteran

LP, one other thing to add about my second Choice experience.

The NP did not treat me as if I was too stupid to comprehend anything she said. She did not offer fake, thank you for your service, now get the hell out of my office respect, but there was respect.

I don’t expect fawning praise or entitled to anything other than an honest evaluation of why I am there.

All of it is sorely lacking at the VA.

LP
LP

I’ve had three phantom appointments since being in this area of TX.
They used that to help them justify kicking me out of the Caregiver Program….makes sense right? He has a Caregiver for memory issues and physical detriments, but he missed these appointments so fuck’m. We ne never got a call/letter regarding these fake appts.
They just wanted to take a huge amount of money out of my pocket.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
First, I’d like to say. Yesterday, on Fox and Friends, (Sunday, 12 Mar), there was a discussion on (Ryan’s) new healthcare bill. As they dealt into it, and talked about the (failing) ACA of Obama’s healthcare system, it looked as though “it” will be a “single payer healthcare system”! The interesting ‘fact’ that came up, by the three person panel, was (Ryan’s) bill looked more like “the VA’s healthcare system!” They even talked about the many “SCANDALS plaguing VA’s healthcare… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
In my record I show a “telephone appointment” was scheduled for me without a clue for me. When.i discovered it in my record the doctor wrote it up like this; “Patient could not be reached by phone so I (the doctor I never saw) reviewed his medication history for his charts.” It was listed as “appointment kept”! A telephone consult that I was never told about was shown as being a successful yearly checkup because the doctor hung the phone… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
@Dennis: “[…and we wonder why the parking lots have veteran brains scattered all over? This WILL NEVER CEASE until VA mental health care is shut down]” I have a proposition for a hypothesis to be tested-out: I propose that if the entire VA Mental Health Dept. were relegated to hold their office hours and waiting areas for said appointments *only* out in the VAMC parking lots, not even TeleMental Health Booths, just the damn tarmac like one huge mental health… Read more »
cj
cj

@Dennis: Your far more tolerant than I.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
Here’s what was on “military.com/Daily News” this morning. “VA Uses New Electromagnetic Therapy to Treat Depression” via: “Fox News | by Terace Garnier The prices the VA is paying for these ‘devices’ is astronomical, ($100K each)! The “sessions costs” are also out of touch with reality! Plus, doesn’t this “mental health procedure” sound like something out of a horror movie/story? I read the whole article. Yet, was disturbed over it! I wish I could remember the “procedures” used by “doctors”… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
It’s scary freaky electromagnetic lobotomy voodoo. Had it explained to me when I was using private mental health hacks and no f^cking way!!!!!!! They try to explain it as if this can be tested and qualified…Electro Shock Therapy….without the “shock”…but you may have a mild tingling sensation, may leave long pools of drool as you walk, but you can now do TWO things at same time: You can place you frozen microwave dinner in your mouth and wait 3 minutes,… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

Nice ring to it. 🙂

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

watch this, it goes back to the 1800’s ……… The Most SHOCKING Psychiatry Documentary EVER………its on the utube Psychiatry in the Military: The Hidden Enemy—Full Documentary…..this one NiteWish posted is a very good one, it will explain why all this craziness is going on

namnibor
namnibor
@OLDMARINE- I have indeed viewed that particular video and more. Even more shocking (mind the pun) is when I took a 300/400 level Abnormal Psych college class for one of my majors, it actually documented that in these United States, it was the Veteran’s Admin. that continued to give Veterans lobotomies “to quiet them”, all the way through the 60’s and good part of the 70’s, when the rest of the FIRST WORLD had ceased using such practices long before….THAT… Read more »
Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Thanks namnibor, “Cranial Electric Shock Lobotomy” was the medical(?) description I was looking for. Too early this morning to remember words!

In the article, the vet said, (paraphrasing), that he felt better, (or [possibly] cured after many sessions?), after the first treatment.

I wonder, could he possibly have lied so he wouldn’t have to go through this ordeal anymore?
I don’t know about the rest of you, but I wouldn’t want to be a hooked up to one of those things!

james gallegos

I agree, they have shocked me enough with out the machine.

Lem
Lem

Blame the delay on Obama Care. Now veterans have to compete for care with Medicaid expanded patients who can get psychiatric care instead of blowing their brains out. So now both sides wait too long.

Dennis
Dennis
Your post is dead on Lem but let me go onto a tangent regarding blame. The blame is really no more Obama care, VA care, AFGE, POTUS, indifference, or even a lack of genuine concern over the suicides we see happen around us in our vet population. There is blame to be spread, but like manure in a pasture it really only feeds the fire. The “blame” rests firmly on the conviction that persons with Phd’s in psychiatry, and who… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

We Veterans are expendable “stunt dummies” for cast of fools at HHHBBC, (Hungry, Hungry Hippos Bullshit Broadcasting Company).
Yes, I am implying we Vets are standing-in for the real dummies in the cast…the AFGE Herd.
“Nightmare On Elm Street” is a pretty good analogy for the VA Mental Health Hacks. Matter-in-fact, I dare say that there’s at least -1- Freddy Kruger in every VAMC basement stoking or stroking the flames. 🙂

Lem
Lem
And we could blame those of us that are crazy with enough smarts to become a MD Psychiatrist for not doing so. No one understands another crazy like a similarly crazy man. Thus the best therapy for PTSD comes from others who have experienced it. And you are right. When it comes to too much pain you either fight or flight. Fight–kill others. Flight–kill yourself. And often a person gone berserk does both. In flight we take our damaged brain… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
@Lem- Sadly, my own medical and mental medical issues raised their ugly tentacles while in my 4th year, then 9/11 took place, which was the cherry on-top when my Psych Dr. could not understand how 9/11 could further stir-up my mental crap I had done a great job of “faking it until you make it” in life until that point. Their answer was of course, “MORE PILLS”, while completely missing the point of classic PTSD from past stuff that could… Read more »
cj
cj

@namnibor: nam, if I worked with Senators or Congressmen, I would have to quit, I couldn’t possilbly work with such an incompetant bunch of wingnuts. And if I was their boss, and I mean in a business setting, I’d fire then eintire lot of them.

Im sorry, I meant no disrespect to any wingnuts, we all know wingnuts actually do their job.

Lem
Lem

At least some psychiatrists will have to come back to the VA and the wait list for those who can afford the non VA psychiatrist will shorten with the ACA replacement. Good news for veterans. Bad news for their children who couldn’t get enough education to earn a good living.

namnibor
namnibor

@cj- If you ever get a chance to work on a Senator or Congressman’s reelection get out and vote campaign, (I have a few times), you would be amazed at just how *little to nothing* these congress critters actually do…they have “people” for “everything”…even a guy to call to…ask other “people” to get more “people”…it’s a bit like herding cattle, except nowadays the cattle are on stairmaster exercise machines and it’s everyone else that’s actually moo–ving. 🙂

cj
cj
@namnibor: I hear you, I have several “union” friends that each election cyicle they are out there donating their time in hopes of being transfered into a city, or county position. After over 30 years of this, these idots are still waiting, and still donating their time. I say idiots lovingly, as one is my cousin, and another a long time friend. It is also how I know that if you do not vote, they take your registration form and… Read more »
james gallegos
Dennis, what you said is true, once they get pissed off at you, they will do everything not to treat you. You, Me and thousands of other veterans have had this done to them and the VA just has to say it so and they punish and threaten us. The business with outpatient treatment and appointments, You have a nurse look at you and you explain how your feeling and in my case. The nurse told me you are a… Read more »
cj
cj
@james gallegos: You are so right about them not knowing shit about TBI’s and making shit up out of thin air, and twisting shit around you never said. When ever I have a complaint, like this last time. They tried to bill my medicaire supplemental, that I pay for out of MY fucking pocket, for an MRI that I didn’t need, but the PCP ordered an was for a FUCKING SERVICE CONNECTED INJURY, not only did they try to bill… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
That’s why it’s best to say the very least you can get by with and flat-out not answer stupid prying questions and instead answer the VA Psych Hack with a question. Their God-Syndrome Brains do not like that…one bit. If you are lucky, you will get some entertainment out of it as you watch their eyes cross and remain that way…then excuse yourself as to not watch them drool all over themselves. Do NOT give them ANY ammo. Not even… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

“walking”….bad neuropathy day.

cj
cj

@namnibor: lol, I like waling better, a harpoon for those Va union piggy quacks.
“piggy quacks”? another VA phyco experiment gone horribly wrong? With a snort snort here and a quack quack there…………….

namnibor
namnibor

@cj: “[With a snort snort here and a quack quack there…………….]”

That’s also the same sound coming from one of those VA allocated AFGE office space conference room glass tables with the day’s take from Operation Pharmacy Shortchange. Snorting quacks.

Lem
Lem

Biggest single problem for veterans is inaccurate history taking. Nothing blows my mind more that the shit some have put in my medical file.

One physician wrote I was an “alcoholic” simply because I was homeless. Completely ignored the clean lab reports.

cj
cj

@Lem: BINGO, they call you an alcohol abuser and a drug abuser, even though you have squeeky clean lab reports, since the beginning of time.

cj
cj
I think the VA needs a taste of their own medicine. Every veteran has been wronged in one way or another. Every veteran should file an SF95, and start to not only clog up the courts, but cost the VA it’s precious money defending the SF95’s. Keep filing them over and over again for every wrong doing. At some point the bad press, court ordered payouts, and news of their bs, will get out to the world at large. It… Read more »
James Gallegos
How many times have you applied for the traumatic brain injury disability. ? Have you had any brain scans. Mri’s or been by a neurologists? If you have not do so and if you have get copies of the and send them in regestered mail. The VA has a habit of doing this. So try again. Hopefully they will pass the Bill this week and the citizens can finally get rid of employees whom think they are above the law.… Read more »
cj
cj
@James Gallegos: James, yes sir, I have MRI’s, nuerological reports, and reports from proffesionals trained to diagnose TBI’s, I have the military records showing the incident, and stating I was flown in be heicopter for medical care due to an explosion in the barraks. The VA’s own TBI examiner agreed, there was a service connected TBI. Then the VA setup another c+p exam for depression due to my service connected TBI. That is how it was said, bassicly admitting there… Read more »
Lawrence Post
Lawrence Post
I to am a TBI Vet SC 30%. The real sick part is they are doing all this to veterans who in many cases lack the mental ability to defend themselves against their criminal behavior. Is it any wonder they are scared of veterans becoming violent, or suicidal. News Flash, it’s because your screwing us to death. Who was that VA Asswipe that said WE WILL REDEFINE THE TERM ACCOUNTABILITY in front of congress They already have been for years,… Read more »
cj
cj

Gone for the rest of the day………….. Hope you all have a great day.

NiteWish
NiteWish
To all you new or old to the VA Mental Health before you take those pills, before your spouse or your kids take them please watch on YouTube: Psychiatry in the Military: The Hidden Enemy—Full Documentary by CCHR Documentaries. I wish I’d seen this before I went through the gauntlet of psychotropic medications. The best prescription I ever received from MH was to get a pet for emotional support. My youngest son was put through a program in Kansas in… Read more »
ezee
ezee

Trump dont give a shit nor his well off admin.

Windguy
Windguy
Regarding the suicidal wait story. It’s one story, indicative or demonstrative of administrative failings the VA, questionable practice of psychiatry in general. The patient in this case did what most vets have done when slipping into the depths of PTSD and suicidal behavior. PTSD is the result of horrors of war, and surviving it connotes the strength of a warrior. Veterans – us – delay seeking help, often until it’s too late. Sure, the VA could have more shrinks on… Read more »
cj
cj

@Windguy: I agree with your last paragraph completely. I have said over and over again, The only way to fix this mess is to march on DC in such nunbers the entire world will take notice. Only then will anybody listen. Untill that day comes we can sit here till we collect dust and not a damn thing will change. I am ready when you are, let’s roll.

Lem
Lem
A veterans’ march won’t be treated the same as the women’s march. A McArthur like will be resurrected. And what has “Rolling Thunder” accomplished? All that happens with marches is a lot of noise. Show me actual legislation that has happened since the 1960’s because of organized marches. The question is who is going to lead? The leaders always go down with one shot. And the King Marches wouldn’t have gotten shit if it hadn’t been for the Black Panthers,… Read more »
cj
cj

@Lem: Lem, simplify what you said please. Your talking over my head.

Lem
Lem
Colonel McArthur became General McArthur and ultimately WWII Pacific Commander by kicking the WWI Veterans off the DC Mall with his troops and fixed bayonets who were trying to get WWI benefits promised in their march on DC. “From 1919 to 1922, MacArthur served as Superintendent of the U.S. Military Academy at West Point, where he attempted a series of reforms. His next assignment was in the Philippines, where in 1924 he was instrumental in quelling the Philippine Scout Mutiny.… Read more »
Windguy
Windguy
Lem, At the risk of repeating from a previous post, I wouldn’t march on DC. Hit the military security complex where it hurts. They need troops. Hang out at recruiting stations, high schools (leave your dope at home), any “career day” functions. Simple DIY signs, “Ask Me If It Was Worth It”, or “Don’t Do It Kid” – shit like that. A sustained effort during spring and summer (aka “desperate teenager decision season”) and none of those lying sacks of… Read more »
cj
cj

@Windguy: I am glad you understood what Lem meant. I like your idea’s, and………I am thinking they WOULD work. We need to come out of the WOOD work……….see what I did there Lem? You need to lower your education level a notch to talk to me.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – What Lem is saying, is that a march will accomplish nothing unless there is some measurable violence involved. Lets wait for them in their own parking lots when they go to their cars. Only joking. No threats here, unless you enter my household with your dam bullshit. cj, get your metal ready. Tired of all the asinine fuck offs.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I may not be the sharpest butter knife in the back. But I can still operate any trigger with great profficiency. How are you tonight Nutter?

Lem
Lem

Doesn’t have to necessarily involve violence. The Magna Carta March worked with only the threat significant enough to let the Kings Army know they were going to have to kill the serfs that fed them or King John would have to grant redress. Origin of the Bill of Rights.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I’M IN

Lem
Lem

I’m in if we carry pitchforks and scythes. No since going if you don’t say we mean business.

Lem
Lem

To Windguy. Yes, that might work. DC is just show, no action.

namnibor
namnibor

If you’re going to have pitchforks and scythes, might as well add the torches and all we huddled Veterans marching up to the VA’s Frankenstein Castle like a bunch of angry villagers tired of desecrated corpses coming to life all the time.

Can I be Igor? I like electricity. 🙂

namnibor
namnibor
@Windguy, I like that. May I also suggest a little thing on the world’s stage that would toss out the proposal and accusation to the World Courts for the USA and The Veteran’s Admn. for Crimes Against Humanity for the well-documented craziness and malfeasant scandals with the VA and treatment of Veterans…but here’s the catchy part that *would* garner the World’s Attention; also bring into the equation about our Gulf War Vets and Open Burn Pits and Depleted Uranium…while in… Read more »
cj
cj

@namnibor: Hell no,,,,,,,,,,,,,it sounded perfectly sound to me. You and Windguy got me pumpped. I am ready.

namnibor
namnibor
I’m talking ‘The Shame Game’ because we all know most congress critters and POTUS’s do not like to eat crow, and those that do, well, they are like shamed freak ex congress critter Larry Craig….daylight really makes their skin crawl. Larry Craig was the congress critter notorious for spending an awful lot of time in airport bathrooms and got caught in a sting in Minneapolis Airport many many moons ago. Wasn’t the first time either. It was the shame game… Read more »
Lawrence Post
Lawrence Post
Does sound like it might be worthwhile. now days VA is pissed at me cause I weened myself off all meds and will not take anything they prescribe, because every prescription has side effects that require another med. I know they are deliberatly trying to kill us off, so why should I beleive they wouldn’t poison my med supply as well. Anything to shut us up. Which reminds me I need to stop by VA to cancel all upcoming apointments.… Read more »
james gallegos
Thanks for your post, yes many veterans think they have every thing under control and do not seek help and when they do they think all they have to do is go into the VA and will be treated. Some first visits can be a nightmare if they run into a VA employee who has a bad attitude against veterans. If they run into someone that truly cares and gets the veteran into the system and treated those veterans have… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – I’m still hurting to the point that I have payback in my mind. The fucking VA has taken so much of my life from me, that has made me so fucking pissed off that I can’t think straight. All I know is that set the smoke screen as hot and thick as we can get it. Don’t worry about how these dumb fucks feel. Veterans are hurting every day, and some go to the ultimate point for relief.… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

on their mother fucking face.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: This is the most angry I have seen you to date. Your usually the voice of reason, and right now? there is no reason, why we are continually treated like slug lube, or duck butter, or banana grease. Hell with it all. Let’s rock n roll.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: I hear you loud and clear. I think it’s time, and plenty here have great ideas how to make it happen. I hope this pain your having leaves quickly. Days get too damn long when your in pain. We all need to get good and fed up and do it to it. Git er done.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj, @Namnibor, @Lem, @Windguy- You can’t reason with people who have shit for brains. They only understand pain and taking something away from them. Like a parent applying corporate punishment to an unruly adolescent. Get the dam belt, and whoop their asses until understanding passes through the blood brain barrier. The VA understands Evidence Based Criteria Medicine.

Windguy
Windguy
If I didn’t have shit for brains I wouldn’t have tried to hide from the draft by enlisting. Nobody told me. All I got was flag-waving shit, bitching about those damn commie-fag-junkies protesting the war, and “I’m already sending your brother through college – tough-titties fatty”. Picture a bunch of bearded, mostly fat commonly hobbling vets trying very hard to be polite and tell some already tatted idiot or some high fructose corn syrup fatty that serving his country will… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Windguy, @cj, @Namnibor, @91Veteran – No brandname mops today, only generics from Shanghai, China exporters. Where is stomping Trump? At the dam club house again? Pull his ass out of their. The MSM is going to start making a mockery out of Trump if he keeps on escaping to eat those luxurious dinners. While we struggle to putting boxed macaroni and powdered fucking cheese on the table. FUCK! @cj, bring some tomatoes for the macaroni and cheese. Lets liven it… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Now I don’t use the right spellings of my words. Going to take some more pain meds. Do a double dose, only joking. But I will get some 151 sweet dark rum, a bag of big fucking buds with no seeds and smells like pine trees. Some killer Hawaiian budda’s. Piss test me all they want. They already have. I told them that they weren’t taking care of my pain, and I feared for my life.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – The VA has negatively effected my family enough. I was ok until I received treatment from these cock suckers. At this fucking point, I have no trust with anyone in whom I don’t have direct contact with. I’m tired, sore, hurt, and in the VA’s eyes, forgotten. I know how I sound Brother, I’m fucking fed up. You can’t reason with someone when they already have their minds made up. I’ve never been so defensive in my whole… Read more »
cj
cj

@ANutterVet: LOL @ the country club dinner. Screw those assholes. I know it is hard to do, but don’t let them rent space in your head. They can’t afford your rates, know what I mean? Justice will come by thy own hands. A day of reconning is on the horizon. I can feel it in my bones.

namnibor
namnibor

Only if I can leave a few Babe Ruth candy bars in that pool. 🙂 I’d love to see the privileged make a grand theatrical spectacle acting as if they have never in their lives seen a piece of poo.

If I were super privileged rich, would even pay Bill Murray to fish it out for them.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Go get’em Hollywood. Bill Murray. Can we get some stand up too?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – I’m bedridden unless I take more pain pills, and I refuse to do that. Then if I do, my body will get use to that dosage and want the same amount later. You know how this goes. And, I’m still waiting for help with my PTSD. My symptoms are off the charts. I’m super edgy and sensitive. Trust level isn’t even measureable. I have been upfront with the VA, been yelling out for help, and no one cares.… Read more »
cj
cj
@ANutterVet: Your right in not trusting the VA, Exactly what have they done to gain your trust? Another screwing over is all. Someone earlier said it right, these assholes that work at the VA make real good moolah, to not take care of you. They go home to a good life as they treat us like low lifes. The politicians don’t give a shit. The VA doesn’t give a shit. We only give a shit about each other. Doing the… Read more »
91Veteran
91Veteran

In reading this, I see lots of indifference to delivering care to a veteran that clearly was in need of urgent care, and lots of ass-covering by documenting the minimum effort they put forth.

Hell even the IG is helping cover ass by titling their chart as patients who “appeared” to experience delays.

How long will it take Trump to reign in bureaucrats?

How long will it take for such pathetic, uncaring, indifferent, ass covering hacks to be fired is what I ask.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@91Veteran – These dumb fucks couldn’t even stand by my side while getting our new service dog trained. The VA didn’t spend any monies or even offered to help me when I lost my previous 4-legged partner. They can kiss my ass. There all in bed together. I seen and read too much. It doesn’t take that long to be informed. Veterans, don’t give it another thought. What you happening, is really happening. Don’t give these mother fuckers the benefit… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

I’m so pissed off that I’m not putting in all the words. But you know what I’m saying anyway.

namnibor
namnibor
No Veteran, let alone no human being anywhere, should be essentially be asked to be placed on hold when seeking help with suicidal ideations, they should get help now, but not by means of sending the local police to quite possibly cause any needless confrontation, just a non-threatening somebody to talk to that will *listen* and not make you feel further pushed and pinched up against that mental corner scary place…and I cannot stress how helpful a pet(s) is to… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – I will additionally get a Hawaiian newt. Great personality.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – That’s why I don’t want to go, their backwards, and I lost the element of surprise.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Are you still having problems with your computer? Are your browsers crashing?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – No crashing here. But, my handle and email address stays in the boxes after I post. That’s good. I did receive duplicate emails. And, just recently, my start button and action center will not operate. I need to contact Microsoft to get this repaired. I’m pretty sure it’s because of corrupted files from new MS Window 10 updates. Nice huh. MS fucks up again, and don’t put a repair up. Corrupted files from updates have been happening for… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
I’ve been on pain meds since 2001. And, the VA has never tested me for any low levels of endorphins, other hormones, or any other type of organic bodily compounds that may have been effected by the long term use of opiates. Ain’t this a bunch of shit? Here is an agency that treats Vets for pain, PTSD, and other ailments from serving in or out of battle, but they can’t keep up with the proper care of what they… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Knok, knok, knok, you still there. Shootz, lets get them there fingas a tappin bro.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet; yes still here, was having some browser trouble. Sorry I can’t help you with MS I gave them up many many moons ago, and never looked back. Arch linux for me. Ok now I need to read your comments so I can continue the conversation.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Your assuming that they actually care about what they are doing. I get the feeling they take blood tests only for educational purposes. And of course to make sure your taking your opiates and not selling them. I wonder, if they did take test to check your liver, kidney etc for long term med damage. Would they even bother to tell you if something was abnormal?

cj
cj
@ANutterVet,@91 Veteran,@Ex va: Nutter, I was just reading 91 experience with a private provider. I am sure your experience has been the same as his. I only go to the VA so I don’t lose the benifit. I am in total agreement with 91 about the conditions and attitudes of the private sector vs the VA. It is indeed night and day, and 91 hit the nail on the head about the outdated asylum description. I never could put my… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
My fault, I’m a little slow tonight in comprehending the issues of others. I thought I’d be sort of selfish and only think about myself. Why not, others do it. Plus, I want to fit in with the crowd. In this way, I won’t stand out and show my own strengths. I only want to reveal my weaknesses so that I can be taken advantage of. I just want to be used, and then thrown away. That what I’m use… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Steven Colbert, CBS Late Night. If it wasn’t for the current POTUS, Colbert wouldn’t have a nightly monologue at the beginning of his show. That’s all Colbert talks about is Trump. About time this dude gets something original. I may be laughed once or twice. I’m going to change the channel to Russian Television [RT]. At least we can trust them? Right?

cj
cj
@ANutterVet: Man I can’t stand libs in any form, and tv libs make me wanaa go postal. Exactly how the fuck does any breathing thing, think the likes of Jimmy Fallon, or Colbert or the rest of that fucked up liberal bucked of dreggs is in any way funny? Like watching 2 year olds is all it is, and if that is what the people in this country really like as entertainment, then it is no suprise to me how… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – I find RT to be more truthful than the other media outlets. I’m eating pistachio ice cream cone right now, so I’m almost there.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: Oh man that sounds good. I don’t think I ever had that before.

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: What happened that got you into more pain that you normally are?

Jo3n
Jo3n
Y’all said it all. @Cj, I’m so glad you’re part of this blog. Along with Dennis, 91, NutterVet, Don K., Seymour, Namnibor, and Windguy, along with so many others; I thank you. What y’all said today, is about all we have left to do. I don’t advocate violence, but this is more like self defense. The VA is killing veterans off any way they can. They have stolen more tax dollars than anyone in any prison. We complain, they dump… Read more »
cj
cj

@Jo3n: Hey Jo3n, Thank you for saying so, I am just the blog jester lol, noway am I as smart as the rest of you guys. I am more like an automatic pitbull. point aim and fire me at the enemy, if you miss take a quick follow up shot. I will eventually get to the target.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Jo3n – Jo3n, I hear you. Its so bad on my end that I’m at my wits end with these people. I don’t like to loose my demeanor, but when I get to the point that I’m in fear of my life, I let them know that this is where I stand with them. They hardly care with what I’ve shared with them. My trust is completely dead to them. @cj – Yeah, pistachio is one of my ice cream… Read more »
cj
cj
@ANutterVet: Yes I understood what you said. I was just asking if there was something that happened recently that made the pain much worse. It is bad enough when your dealing with that level of pain you are on a daily bassis, much worse if there is something that agrivated it even more. Even for the VA who is known for handing out meds like candy, I can’t understand why they are not listening to you, when it’s already in… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@cj – Ok, sounds good. I just need to save up some buckos to purchase something that we can party on. I’ll make a call over to the islands to get some mahi mahi. Sound good?

cj
cj

@ANutterVet: It would be downright rude to NOT accept such a gift.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – I’ve been dealing with this cheap generic for many, many months. I let the VA know the first time that they prescribed it to me. I even showed them the two tabs. Its supposed to be the same medicine, but the latter one doesn’t work as well as the previous. Therefore, I’m not getting pain relief, plus I’ve been idle for quite a while. The VA knows everything about my condition. They are too fucking slow. I yelled… Read more »
cj
cj

@ANutterVet: You know your right about different generics being different in strength and dilivery systems. What is reall bad is when you do say something about it and they have the attitude like, yes dear, thats right dear, whatever you say dear. Now go eat your puddng and be a good boy.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@cj – I shared with my PCP that I had this problem in the private sector and the pharmacy worked with me to find a generic that worked for me. Not the VA. This is all my fault because the active medicine is in the tab. They put it right in your lap. As a matter of fact, there actually was no discussion about this, only what I shared with them. I was so fucking pissed off that they didn’t… Read more »
LP Peterson, L
LP Peterson, L

Oh oh. Don’t fucking yell at the VA…they might put you on the naughty list and you,like me, can be pat-searched/wander & then escorted by police for your entire visit.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

is that vanilla or choco chocolate?

cj
cj

@ANutterVet:LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I’m afriad to answer that one…. yes go ahead and call me chicken……..youd be right lol.

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