No Vacancy: IG Says VA Rejected Suicidal Veteran Before Suicide

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VA Suicide Iowa City

VA OIG confirmed allegations that one VA psychiatrist refused to admit a suicidal veteran hours before he committed suicide.

Why?

The inpatient unit was full.

Had VA not failed to follow certain protocol prior to the suicide, the psychiatrist may not have rejected the veteran’s request but instead admitted him right away.

How is it that despite hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars allocated to suicide prevention, tons of public scrutiny, and numerous protocol improvements, is VA still getting it wrong?

IG Investigation Of Suicidal Veteran

The facility in question is the Iowa City VA Medical Center. The IG investigation determined the agency provided Ketchum with inadequate services but stopped short at finding that the deficiencies caused the suicide.

In July 2016, veteran Brandon Ketchum asked a VA psychiatrist to admit him for inpatient care but the psychiatrist refused. Early into the appointment, the veteran then became distraught and left the facility. Hours later, he was dead from an apparent suicide.

According to IG, “It is difficult to determine the degree, if any, to which these shortcomings contributed to the patient’s death by suicide.” Had VA properly evaluated the veterans psychosocial struggles, that knowledge may have altered the course of care.

The Iowa City facility failed to adhere to VHA policies on no-shows, treatment planning, and the use of principal MH providers. But again, IG stopped short of concluded these failures contributed materially to the suicide much less refusing to admit the veteran when the veteran asked hours before the suicide.

Lawmaker Statement

IG investigated the suicide at the behest of lawmakers that pressured the agency to look into the matter.

Iowa Senators Grassley and Ernst, Wisconsin Senator Johnson, and Iowa Representative Loebsack released the following statement about the findings in the review:

This case is a tragic example of why we must do better for our veterans. It also illustrates the importance of having independent watchdogs at federal agencies. Inspectors general review agency work and point out problems that need to be fixed and ensure that policies and procedures in place are adequate. In this case, the inspector general report made four recommendations to improve mental health treatment for veterans going forward, but could not determine if these shortcomings impacted Brandon’s care. With an average of 20 veterans committing suicide a day, the VA must do everything in its power to extend help before it is too late. When it comes to caring for these brave men and women, there is no room for error. We expect the VA to implement the recommendations thoroughly and carefully, and we intend to make sure the VA does so. The VA should go beyond the recommendations if necessary. We all have to work as hard as possible to make sure all veterans receive the care they need and deserve.

Anyone interested in the course of treatment and protocol VA is supposed to follow for suicidal ideations and suicide prevention should reach this IG report closely.

It does provide a great deal of insight into what should happen.

Source: https://www.va.gov/oig/pubs/VAOIG-16-04535-329.pdf

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CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!

The IG reports are nothing but tabloid news papers and have zero meaning uf they keep conviently fall short of confirming malpractice and direct links to something that will put the government at fault.
These reports are so that DOJ will not certify indemnification in court.
There should be a way to file a 42 1983 claim against the OIG for false misrepresetations in at least some of these reports, because it may be the reason why they hide them or issue a “no records” response when you FOIA some records.
Does anyone know the correct Office to file any claim against the OOH?
Thanks in advance.

Dennis
Dennis

If you are referring to a complaint because of a FOIA or Privacy Act violation then the site hhs dot gov. Keep in mind that you have a statutory six months time frame to file from the time you became aware of the violation.

Here is the kicker…. even when the violation is FULLY substantiated (as was the one I filed) the most severe “punishment” that HHS will mete out was what they did for me; “…we have provided technical support to (VA) regarding compliance with (FOIA and Privacy Act)”. If they do not find in your favor, they will simply say so but promise that if any future information regarding any violation is brought to their attention that they will review the case. Yeah, right. (Dear Vet, Go fuck yourself. Sincerely, Uncle Sam)

Did you know that in the entire history of FOIA and the Privacy Act that despite severe potential monetary penalties authorized by those laws that not ONE SINGLE DIME has EVER been levied as a fine against any VA employee? Out of THOUSANDS of substantiated allegations and violations of veteran privacy and willful failure to perform obligations under those Acts that not one single penalty against any VA dirt bag has ever been issued in a nation of hundreds of millions of folks in our entire history as a nation. Not a single one.

Dennis
Dennis

Proof from my Sunday morning Wikipedia rampage. This is from Wikipedias VA page;

“In the latest Center for Effective Government analysis of 15 federal agencies which receive the most Freedom of Information Act (United States) (FOIA) requests, published in 2015 (using 2012 and 2013 data, the most recent years available), the VA earned a D by scoring 64 out of a possible 100 points, i.e. did not earn a satisfactory overall grade.[29]”

I have already began adding edits to the VA entry on Wikipedia. Truth and references/links to corruption. The VA entry already gained an entry to AFGE but more is coming soon…. bwahahaahaaaahaaaa. The entire tone of the page can be changed one sentence here and one sentence there – each brush stroke helping to paint the real picture.

Trust me when I claim I am pretty good at doing this. Why? Because I enjoy my revenge like a good T bone steak – I savor each bite. I am VERY good at eating T bone steak…

cj
cj

@Dennis: Damn good idea Dennis!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Great Job Dennis!!

VA IS LYINF INC.
VA IS LYINF INC.

VA DEATHCARE DOESENT GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT DEAD VETS ITS ALL ABOUT THE BONOUS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MORE DEAD VETS THE BIGGER BONOUS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$VETS DONT BE PENDEJOES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

namnibor
namnibor

Amen! Don’t forget the RICO rant. Consistency, consistency. 🙂

Robert Boshears
Robert Boshears

Sadly this comment is probably more true than not. As far as veteran suicides go, and I am fortunate I have never needed that kind of help but I know men who are no longer with us and those who feel that way! When you call a VA telephone number, you are programmed to push buttons for what language you speak what department you want if it’s a 911 emergency, hang up and call another number it goes on for sometimes minutes. Then you hear something to the effect of if you were thinking of hurting yourself or committing suicide, please call one 800 blah blah blah blah blah blah blah. You know quite honestly, by the time you get to who you want help from you may have pulled the trigger! The VA pays their doctors extra money not to practice medicine! The VA is a business, it is no different than the United States Postal Service, the majority of people speak on the phones to their girlfriends or boyfriends, or file their fingernails. It’s not time to change the VA, time was 50 years ago when it could’ve been fixed. The time is you go in and fire thousands of people, and you re-hire new people that take an oath that basically says we can lose our jobs if we don’t perform. Postal workers now have GPS on them so they can tell where they are at all times. The problem, is again your medical doctors, who may be from another country other than the United States, who do not speak English fluently and with all due respect F’s up your paperwork. They will not give prescriptions that are needed and if you have a prescription it sometimes goes to the opposite coast to be mailed back to you via 2 day delivery that may take 10 days by UPS.

I commanded troops in the army, I could walk through paperwork discharges medical appointments and emergencies in minutes because I went to the person in charge and in a way made them (usually) put down a cup of coffee and get the job done. It’s time somebody with that kind of authority like a retired colonel or general went into the VA and started firing people but in public, let the veterans see the action, it’s the vets that need the reassurance, not the Union protested employees. No paid punishment time, terminate and have a VA police officer escort them out, in front of the Vets.

cj
cj

You are right again my friend, I wish I could give you a bigger mountain top to yell it from….

Dennis
Dennis

There are ZERO beds in the entire State Of Oregon available (as has been the case for at least four years) for ANY inpatient mental health care. Period.

Once Obama tugged the magic socialist medicine strings a multitude of folks who need help suddenly could afford it. In Oregon this filled EVERY SINGLE bed for transient inpatient care in the entire state. When I melted down years back after gulping down the prescribed VA cocktail (7 different drugs, of which I now take zero of them), I was taken to the local mental hospital ward. They waited for 4 hours to see if a bed ANYWHERE in Oregon would open. They finally told me that my only option was to transfer to the VA ward 60 miles away which is NOT a treatment facility.

According to the lead rat scum dirt bag doctor in charge of the VA mental ward, when I challenged him on appeal regarding the barbaric conditions provided to all vets on his ward, his official response was, “This is a holding facility, not a treatment facility.” The civilian mental health worker who spoke with me as I compared the two facilities said he had interned at the VA ward. His exact words, “It was like stepping into a medievel prison. I couldn’t believe (he said) that patient were still treated that way. I couldn’t believe those places still existed.”

So here is how it goes in Eugene and this is set in stone; VA identifies you as suicidal. Police come and place you in handcuffs and transport you to the center of town. At the center of town, the civilian hospital tells you that they are full, but possibly one bed might open up 110 miles away on the coast…just wait… After four hours in a tiny room, they then come in and tell you the only option is to transferr to the “holding facility” at VA 60 miles away, because no beds opened up.

When you agree, VA pays a gazillion dollars to have medical transport take uou from Eugene to Roseburg Oregon. VA will inform the ambulance company you are a Catagory One Violent Patient if so flagged and there will be extra security (you will become a criminal by treatment). Once in Roseburg’s chamber of horrors you are given yet more drugs until you are stupified and calm. When you can stand at the med window and not flinch from the random screaming and outbreaks from a ZERO air conditioned third story ward with no open windows, then they deem you are stabilized.

Then you are released out the front door – 60 miles away from your home. If you haven’t got a friend to call to get a ride, stick your thumb out on I5. Somebody is bound to pick you up in your ward cloths and ride you 60 miles from were they took you from.

VA’s ENTIRE excuse upon appeals for a myriad of archaic and barbaric treatments was simply, “There are no beds available in Oregon for inpatient treatment.” On my last visit, a fellow patient with a tatoo of anatomically correct female genitals placed between his eyes like the Eye of Shiva explained to me that VA had terminated his medications too as a result of a flag so he took a boulder and threw it threw the plate glass of the Chevron Station, then sat inside until the police came and got him. The ONLY way my troubled combat vet friend had to gain afmittance and get the drugs he needed was to commit a crime and force the police to take him and drop him at their doorstep. They released him the next day, but at least he had prescriptions to stabilize. His outlook is bleak when VA is his only option. This is the honor America bestowed upon a hardened combat vet.

Ben, haven’t you honestly wondered why so many vets suicide? It is NOT simple incompetance which the VA clings to – it is because they spend BILLIONS on things other than beds in a REAL treatment facility. Instead they take what the police drop off, give you a sand filled cot (so you cant throw it) to sleep on in an open room of eight beds, then kick your ass onto the street in the morning with a hearty, “Thank you for your service!”, as the door slams shut on your ass in a town far away from your own home.

America fails the mentally ill vets because of ALL THE PLACES in the world that needs to offer treatment, VA only offers a “holding facility”. Of all the times when compassion is almost exclusively the only indicated treatment, the vet finds himself in a cold, heartless, and brutal place of zero hope, caring, or kindness. Just cold hearted overweight orderlies fresh from high school playing Candy Crunch on their cell phones who treat the patients like pond scum.

To start treatment, just smash in the local gas station picture window and sit inside and the police will make sure VA will not refuse to take you, because begging them for treatment or drugs just doesn’t work. The crisis is enormous.

Mari
Mari

Dennis, you describe it so well that I can picture the insanity of being declared stabilized exactly as you wrote it…”and not flinch… from the random screaming and outbreaks… then they deem you are stabilized.” This is the stuff movies are made of, reminding me somewhat of that older movie “One flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,” except this isn’t make-believe, but the true crisis of what can happen before our very eyes. Then, one gets to go home, maybe, if can catch that ride, or be more SOL. This should be an indictment of the establishment that perpetuates this insanity, which includes VA treatment or non-treatment of vets in need of some real help, but first, they’d have to listen.

Recently, a family member approaches his VA psych. provider opening up a discussion of his impending thoughts and requesting to be evaluated for possible inpatient to the psych. ward. Doc’s response, according to the vet…”no need for that…you don’t “look” that bad.” WTH ever?! One needs to “look” or behave like a raving maniac to open up the discussion of what is it that is causing that distressing feeling of asking if needing to be admitted? So, is he just another number and if he ends up dead at his own hand, will it be another one of those…”well, he should have said something…should have asked for help?” Yeah, then, cover their own butts by not even “mentioning” in the medical file that the vet brought this up. Are they frigging kidding me with their “help?”! Wow, just wow, we’ll just move on to “next!”

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

In order to ensure veterans are getting proper care, every employee must be required to wear cameras.

Plus a camera in every area, big signs posted through out the facility, advising anyone entering the facility is being recorded..

I know someone will say, what even in the bathroom. No ! The VA will site privacy concerns, that does not fly !
If everyone knows it’s being recorded there should be no problem…

Cameras are every where anyway, they are afraid of being caught !

Too dam bad, how about doing ur job and then u have nothing to worry about.
.put up a camera, save a veteran !

Dennis
Dennis

@James

LOLZ!!! In regards to “privacy” on a VA mental ward…..

There is NO bodily function that you need to perform on a routine basis that is not completely open to scrutiny by the overweight hot dog eating, twinkee face stuffing government employees that go to a mental ward to get paid money.

Toilets are in the open. Showers too. You are watched in your bed. You are watched out of bed. You are watched alone. You are watched in you have visitors. You are supervised with a comb and toothbrush. You are allowed shoes, but no shoestrings. You are allowed to look outside through metal bars, but not go outside – VA mental patients have no local, state, or federal rights to any time outdoors so it is not offered. Even serial killers in lock down get a few minutes a day outside during confinement, but sick vets have not yet earned that much respect in America. Doesn’t the union even require fresh air breaks of its own brotherhood? hmmmmm…..

My friend, you are absolutely right in that an agency that was born corrupt SHOULD NEVER be left alone to care for ANYONE in inpatient mental healthcare and God Almighty knows what good cameras would do to stop the ongoing horrific treatment, but it HAS ZERO to do with “patient” privacy.

The union would not allow it. At VA the union doesn’t “come first”. In our government the union “is” VA and brother there aint NO union on planet Earth that would ever allow its own brotherhood to be recorded at work. “Truth” is not a tool that gets pulled out of a union toolbox and cameras are nasty about revealing the truth.

Lem
Lem

All wards aren’t West LA “Coats” level.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Hell with the union, camera’s are the answer and the union should imbrace this, as it will assist when a VA employee is falsely accused.

People would feel safer if they know someone besides God is watching over them.

They have camera’s now, but not where they need to be, if an employee or veteran does something and it’s recorded that’s real proof and not hearsay.

These camera’s are every where, the police use them and almost every store. No one should be able to hide.

Only the criminals need to worry ! By the way sessions said only Bad people smoke weed. !!!

That little weasel’s mind is so weak a joint would freek him out, because he is already paranoid ! Lol

cj
cj

The VAOIG is the responsible party for this Veterans death, it is THEY who look the other way, it is THEY, who cover up crimes, and that is how this shit happens in the first place.

It is also the DOJ who is at fault, for leaving it up to the VAOIG to do THEIR work, it is the DOJ’s job to prosecute these assholes not the VAOIG, but they don’t do they? Murderers every single one of them, and it is not an average of 20 per day, it is well over twice that amount. STOP THE DAMN LIES!!!!!!!!

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

You mean the oig is guilty of covering it up and that’s makes them just as guilty !!!!!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Department of Veterans Affairs
VHA DIRECTIVE 2010

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Veterans Health Administration
Washington, DC 20420
December 3, 2010
PATIENT RECORD FLAGS
1. PURPOSE:
This Veterans Health Administration (VHA) Directive outlines policy and
guidance for the proper use of Patient Record Flags (PRF) to enhance safety for patients,
employees, and visitors.
2. BACKGROUND
a.
VHA is committed to a safety program that is systems based and focused on prevention,
not on punishment or retribution. Preventative m
ethods that target root causes
are favored

“https://nebula.wsimg.com/c9bc7ae4826801e52781e2e19d539d60?AccessKeyId=1FBD76F67BF87C8DD859&disposition=0&alloworigin=1”

namnibor
namnibor

RAND Corp. Concludes: The VA OIG only MONITORS for problems, but never identifies ANY problem properly in which it could be found to hold the VA accountable and liable for inaction. Never.

RAND Corp. Recommends the VA OIG utilize sharper false teeth that make it APPEAR that the foxes guarding the VA henhouses are not really fond of chickens. (cooked or partially cooked chicken)

Hey Benjamin! How about appointing every VA Whistleblower to replace every VA OIG? The VA OIG have proven time and time again to be completely impotent.

VA OIG- VA Officially Impotent Gangbangers.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Don’t know about the name you choose Namnibor, “VA OIG- VA Officially Impotent Gangbangers”. Might be more approximately named “VA OIG- VA Officially Impotent Circle Jerk Pivotal Personnel”. Their job description includes authoring the illusions of accountability while solely protecting the VA.

SWOosh
SWOosh

They do lots of veteran prosecution It is a coin flip if one can rely on VAMC for anything. It’s peaceful to stay far away.

namnibor
namnibor

Imagine if the country’s emergency 911 system operated as lackadaisically as the VA OIG. The cemetery and funeral businesses would be THRIVING with the sheer number of ignored calls resulting in many deaths, a bit way VA spends it’s Veteran Suicide Prevention budget.
I am betting that if only the VA could DOUBLE their Suicide Prevention Budget, they could increase that daily Veteran Suicide Number to 44.

At the VAOIG, we see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil of the mighty V.A. Titanic. Flying Monkeys Approved.

ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

THANK YOU!!!

If a civilian threatens suicide, your average hospital would place them on a 72 hour stay/hold to evaluate their mental health and either release them, send them for treatment, etc.

So, why can’t the VA perform such a simple task? Even “if” they had no room, they had a responsibility to send him to an emergency room to get that 72 hr hold/evaluation.

The family of this veteran should sue the VA for this death.

I don’t know how these criminals at the VA sleep at night.

SWOosh
SWOosh

LMFAO

cj
cj

@namnibor: “VA OIG- VA Officially Impotent Gangbangers.”

An extremely accurate description, wholly mackerel, your spot on!!!!

JAMES A SMITH
JAMES A SMITH

namnibor:; GOOD IDEA, replace the oig’s with whistleblowers at least it would be different. HELL it couldn’t hurt,at least it would be doing something because they are not going to disrupt their benefits/bonuses/pay/ the proverbial cart! WE can TRUST them to do nothing to improve the SYSTEM. I am going to shut up now because the more I think about it the worse mood I get in and I need to work in my garden, in a good mood .F— the V.A. MANAGMENT. YA’LL HAVE A GOOD DAY!!!!!!

Dennis
Dennis

Here is the timeline for just what VA is. Ben speaks of insight. Do we really need an OIG report to tell us ANYTHING that this timeline does not?

1921 — Congress creates the Veterans Bureau to administer assistance to World War I veterans. Nine years later under a cloud of scandal & corruption.
1930 — The Veterans Administration is created.
1932 — Thousands of World War I veterans and their families march on Washington to demand payment of promised war bonuses.
1945 — President Harry Truman accepts the resignation of VA Administrator Frank Hines after a series of news reports detailing shoddy care in VA-run hospitals.
1946 — citing an ongoing lack of facilities, and troubles faced by hundreds of thousands of veterans in getting services and a proposal to limit access to services for some combat VSO’s demand VA head resign.
1947 — A government commission uncovers enormous waste, duplication and inadequate care in the VA system.
1955 — A government commission finds waste and poor care in the VA system.
1972 — Vietnam veteran Ron Kovic interrupts Richard Nixon’s GOP presidential nomination acceptance speech, saying, “I’m a Vietnam veteran. I gave America my all, and the leaders of this government threw me and others away to rot in their VA hospitals.”
1974 — President Richard Nixon announces an investigation into VA operations. The American Medical Association said vets should be treated in private hospitals
1976 — A GAO investigation into Denver’s VA, and New Orleans VA hospitals finds shortcomings in patient care, including veterans whose surgical dressings are rarely changed.
1982 — VA director Robert Nimmo, who once described symptoms of exposure to the herbicide Agent Orange during the Vietnam war as little more than “teenage acne,” resigns. Nimmo used VA money for use of a chauffeured car and an expensive office redecorating project, according to a 1983 GAO investigation.
1984 — Congress discovers that VA officials had diverted or refused to spend more than $40 million that Congress approved to help Vietnam veterans.
1986 — The VA’s Inspector General’s office finds 93 physicians working for the agency have sanctions against their medical
1989 — President Ronald Reagan elevated the Veterans Administration to Cabinet Status.
1991 — VA’s North Chicago hospital conducted unnecessary surgery. The agency later takes responsibility for the deaths of eight patients.
1999 — VA West Los Angeles Healthcare Center was caught for failing to get consent from some patients before conducting research involving them.
2000 — The GAO finds “substantial problems” with the VA’s handling of research trials involving human subjects.
2005 — VA’s Salisbury, North Carolina, caught significantly deficient in care. One veteran who sought treatment for a toenail injury died of heart failure after doctors failed to follow standard practices.
2007 — VA officials received bonuses of up to $33,000.
2009 — 10,000 veterans were exposed to potential viral infections due to poorly disinfected equipment at VA in three states. Thirty-seven tested positive for two forms of hepatitis and six tested positive for HIV.
2011 — Nine Ohio veterans test positive for hepatitis after routine dental work at a VA clinic in Dayton, Ohio.
2011 — An outbreak of Legionnaires’ Disease begins at the VA hospital in Oakland, Pennsylvania. VA records showed evidence of widespread contamination of the facility dating back to 2007. Several die.
2013 — The former director of Veteran Affairs facilities in Ohio, William Montague, is indicted on charges he took bribes and kickbacks.

cj
cj

Nice short list, let’s not forget this attention grabbing headline: Published January 29, 2008

Investigators Suspects Substandard Care Led to 19 Deaths at Illinois VA Hospital
“http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/01/29/investigators-suspects-substandard-care-led-to-1-deaths-at-illinois-va-hospital.html”

cj
cj

What did the VAOIG do with this director? oh yes nobody prosecuted many dead Veterans and the whack a mole says………………………new Las Vegas director…….way to go DOJ…..

Windguy
Windguy

And people still allow – or encourage their kids to serve this fucking cuntry.

SWOosh
SWOosh

Exactly they are not hearing all. Put the word out. I see grocery bags of food in commissary from government employees. Close by a VAMC. This is a matter of national security the VAMC best wake the fuck up. Military will get less than average so so

Vassilis Margaris
Vassilis Margaris

Thanks Dennis! Very informative!
Everybody, (especially the Veterans) should know this History)
MSG VAM

Lem
Lem

1991 “unnecessary surgeries”? Brain surgery? Yale University Medical School neurosurgery experiments gone bad?

“http://epilepsy.yale.edu/about/history/1980.aspx”
“https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995886/”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Dennis,
In 1922 or 1923, President Hoover was caught strangling the head of the Veterans Bureau, his long time poker buddy, over; a.) “…a 99 year lease he made with a floor wax company.” And, b.) Monies he received in kickbacks!”
In my opinion, I think President Hoover was pissed!
This “incident” is recorded in the Library of Congress!
Maybe President Trump should take a hint from this!!!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

One important fact you may wish to add to the timeline. The Tuskegee Veterans Administration Medical Center began in 1923 as an old soldiers’ home in Tuskegee, Alabama. It was originally called the Tuskegee Home, part of the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers system.

The home-hospital, eventually 27 buildings, was developed next to the Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute campus (now Tuskegee University) on 464 acres (188 ha), with 300 acres of the property donated by the Institute.

Its medical purpose was to provide long-term care for the 300,000 African-American veterans in the segregated South from World War I.

In 1930 the Veterans Administration was created, and the hospital center was put under its authority becoming the first VAMC. Also in 1930, Dr. Eugene Heriot Dibble, Jr began recruiting for the Tuskegee Syphilis Trials.

Dr. Eugene Heriot Dibble, Jr. served as assistant medical director at the John A. Andrew Memorial Hospital until 1923 until he was appointed Surgeon-in-Chief of the Veterans Administration Hospital at Tuskegee with a military rank of Colonel. In 1925, he was named Medical Director of the John A. Andrew Memorial Hospital for the first time. Then in 1936, he was named Manager and Medical Director at the VA Hospital at Tuskegee. He then returned as Medical Director of the John A. Andrew Memorial Hospital in 1946 and was in that position in 1962 at the time of the award ceremony that memorialized his career and that memorialization provided this information about him.

All while he was the director of the Tuskegee Syphilis Trials.

The Tuskegee Study of Untreated Syphilis in the Negro Male, also known as the Tuskegee Syphilis Study or Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment was an infamous clinical study conducted between 1932 and 1972 by the U.S. Public Health Service. The purpose of this study was to observe the natural progression of untreated syphilis in rural African-American men in Alabama under the guise of receiving free health care from the United States government.

The Public Health Service started working on this study in 1932, in collaboration with Tuskegee University, a historically black college in Alabama. Investigators enrolled in the study a total of 600 impoverished, African American sharecroppers from Macon County, Alabama. Of these men, 399 had previously contracted syphilis before the study began, and 201[2] did not have the disease. The men were given free medical care, meals, and free burial insurance for participating in the study. After funding for treatment was lost, the study was continued without informing the men they would never be treated. None of the men infected were ever told they had the disease, and none were treated with penicillin even after the antibiotic was proven to successfully treat syphilis. According to the Centers for Disease Control, the men were told they were being treated for “bad blood”, a local term for various illnesses that include syphilis, anemia, and fatigue.

The 40-year study was controversial for reasons related to ethical standards. Researchers knowingly failed to treat patients appropriately after the 1940s validation of penicillin was found as an effective cure for the disease they were studying. Revelation in 1972 of study failures by a whistleblower led to major changes in U.S. law and regulation on the protection of participants in clinical studies. Now studies require informed consent, communication of diagnosis, and accurate reporting of test results.

By 1947, penicillin had become the standard treatment for syphilis. Choices available to the doctors involved in the study might have included treating all syphilitic subjects and closing the study, or splitting off a control group for testing with penicillin. Instead, the Tuskegee scientists continued the study without treating any participants; they withheld penicillin and information about it from the patients. In addition, scientists prevented participants from accessing syphilis treatment programs available to other residents in the area. The study continued, under numerous US Public Health Service supervisors, until 1972, when a leak to the press resulted in its termination on November 16 of that year. The victims of the study, all African American, included numerous men who died of syphilis, 40 wives who contracted the disease, and 19 children born with congenital syphilis.

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That free Government health care isn’t so free after all.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Since it’s inception the Veterans health care facility became the model of all Veterans health care facilities in which the facility was attached to an area University with Veterans being used in research and for training at those universities. The US Public Health Service not only condoned but utilized the practice.

One of the other Doctors involved in the study was John Charles Cutler was a senior surgeon, and the acting chief of the venereal disease program in the United States Public Health Service. He is noted for being involved in several controversial and unethical medical studies of syphilis including the Sing Sing, Guatemala and the Tuskegee syphilis experiments.

Cutler oversaw the Terre Haute prison experiments and the syphilis experiments in Guatemala in the 1940s, during which doctors deliberately infected an estimated 1500 Guatemalans, including orphans as young as nine, soldiers, prisoners and mental patients with syphilis without the informed consent of the subjects

In 1954, Cutler was in charge of experiments at Sing Sing prison to see if a vaccine made from the killed syphilis bacterium, would protect prisoners against infection when he later exposed them to the bacterium.

Cutler became assistant surgeon general in 1958 for the United States while he was still involved with the ongoing Tuskegee syphilis experiment.

In 1967 Cutler was appointed professor of international health at the University of Pittsburgh, where he also served as chairman of the department of health administration and acting dean of the Graduate School of Public Health in 1968–1969. That also was while he was still involved with the Tuskegee Syphilis experiment.

Cuter was involved right up until the end when a whistle blower spoke out in Congressional hearings about the ongoing study which ended that day. November 9th 1972.

In “The Deadly Deception”, the 1993 Nova documentary about the Tuskegee experiments, Cutler states, “It was important that they were supposedly untreated, and it would be undesirable to go ahead and use large amounts of penicillin to treat the disease, because you’d interfere with the study.”

These were the men who designed the VAMC systems across the United States.

Lem
Lem

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Raider 2-6
Raider 2-6

Why doesn’t Shulkin fire that Asshole? All talk, little action.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Better question is why isn’t Shulkin being fired?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I do believe everyone has covered this issue at length!
The OIG investigators are nothing more than “VA piglets”, NOT putting the blame onto where the blame should lie! They’re nothing more than VA co-conspirators in a corrupt failing VHA and VBA!

And, IF veterans didn’t have more to worry about. Check out the news from:
___________________

From:
“The Military Advantage Blog”
via: “Military.com/Daily News”
Titled:

“VA to Decide on New Agent Orange Ailments by Nov. 1”

Posted by: Tom Philpott Aug. 3, 2017

In the article, it is revealed “Liar Shithead Shulkin” DOES NOT have to decide anything by any date, (paraphrasing)!
There’s already a push against any and all “presumptive ailments” Vietnam Veterans suffer from, when it comes to Agent Orange!

namnibor
namnibor

THAT would be the purpose of the bolted-down deck chair of VBA Agent Orange Denier Thomas Murphy on the V.A. Titanic. The VA is wiping their collective asses with proven science.

I think we need a lot more poop canons than previously assumed.

Windguy
Windguy

The VA – and America – will do what they’ve always done – study the shit out of it until everyone affected is dead.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

The VA is a nation with in the United state’s and they have their owns laws and law enforcement.

All others must face a real judge and jury, not the VA, do something wrong and you must answer for it.

Not the VA, they have a licence to kill, no problem. Just don’t do it again ! Ok

Veteran’s seeking help, news tell stories and Shulkin, admits the problem and were working on it.

cj
cj

I think they just need to star finding Directors in the parking lots…………………

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

I couldn’t have said that better myself cj.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, probably would find more competent directors.

SWOosh
SWOosh

Skid row be betta. Reality is if all due diligence was to go into effect. There would have to be mass firings. So for a systemic cancer they have to apply time for new and equalize the riddance of old.

cj
cj

Sorry for the typo, should have been “start” not “star” as in “start finding directors in the parking lots with a bullet in their head.”

cj
cj

@Ex va: LOL, your Soo right, I didn’t think of it like that.

cj
cj

Later Gators- !¡¡!-

SWOosh
SWOosh

There was this dentist from VA in reserves deployed to Afghanistan. He came back uninjured But they said he never would come out of his office and finally left. I guess he never should told troops he worked at VA.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

????

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@SWOosh,
Well, many veterans here have been contacting “active duty personnel” around the world. They are being informed about how the Veterans Administration fucks over their brothers and sisters back here “in the World!”
Maybe it’s time to see some – “Friendly Fire!”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

More on the continuing criminal enterprise known as the Veterans Heath Care system. Last year Gilead made nearly $3 billion marketing the Hep C cure mostly to the VA. Their course of treatment costing around $94,500 per patient.

Just approved by the FDA is a new drug named Mavyret produced by AbbVie. Mavyret’s list price without insurance will be $26,400 for eight weeks’ treatment. About 1/4 the cost of Gileads more dangerous product.

No doubt the price is reduced for person who have insurance to about half of the price for patients without insurance paying full price. Putting the price at less than 15% of the cost of the Gilead drug.

It is unknown at this time what type of contract the VA holds with Gilead but you can bet it is binding and Veterans will not be able to get the cheaper safer drug made by AbbVie.

Sources:

“FDA News Release
FDA approves Mavyret for Hepatitis C
August 3, 2017
“https://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm570038.htm”

“FDA OKs new drug to treat all forms of hepatitis C”
By linda a. johnson, ap health writer
Aug 3, 2017, 5:53 PM
“http://abcnews.go.com/Health/wireStory/fda-oks-drug-treat-forms-hepatitis-49019076”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Just to remind everyone that $3 billion was taken from the Veteran’s Choice program to fund treating Veterans with Hep C with the Gilead drug. But then the VA also began sending all Veterans being treated for Hep C through the Veteran’s Choice program to further drain the $13 Billion Congress appropriated for the Program.

Given the recent legislation adding an additional $2 billion to cover the Veteran Choice program for 6 months while hiding attachments to the legislation to also add funding for build to lease of 26 more VA Clinics and on Campus Research Facilities at Universities controlling VAMCs.

Appropriate Song for Veterans “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YNo4sAK7eKQ”

namnibor
namnibor

ON an UP NOTE re: Pig Pharma; that sleezeball sleestack Martin Skrirelli that jacked-up drugs prices insanely, a couple times and laughed at the courts…well, he just got indicted for fraud and convicted. Let’s see if the shit sticks.

Where this sleezeball sticks is where every crooked VA employee should also be stored.

That Martin Sleestack Skirielli (sp?) should be given a rare disease in which in order for him to get his daily dose of the antidote while in his prison cell, he has to suck on the left nipple of a pregnant orangutan that’s been injected with the antidote. 🙂

Too rough? Nah…am pretty sure when they dig further, they will find the VA’s tendrils in sleestack’s vitae.

Caregiver of a Veteran
Caregiver of a Veteran

Very sad!!!!! The Hampton VA did this to mine when he kept going in to steal a min. W/ the DOM or called. They kept pushing him n off claiming there were “no beds available” so they kept sending him back home. This went on for (on & off) 4mos. Before they finally had a bed available for him. I know that ALOT of Veterans are needing attn. But to say there’s no room then send them home?! WTF??!! FIND ROOM!! Another facility or whereever where they can get the help that they’re needing NOW!!!!! It took everything I could to keep him from becoming another statistic & FINALLY got him in!!!!!! THIS NEEDS TO CHANGE NOW!!!!! (& yes I know a few other Veterans who were pushed off & struggling)

cj
cj

@Caregiver of a Veteran: Caregiver, your making too much sense, the va regularly wastes billions of dollars on bad art, over budgeted construction, bonuses, theft of property,and outrageous salaries. You would indeed think they could find money to purchase more beds, and find the space to utilize them.

I think maybe a few, or more than a few, Veterans Caregivers, should be utilized in the form of a committee of some type, that has powers given to them by the President, to exact change from the VA.

Caregivers face an entirely different set of issues, mostly hidden from the world. Who else but those like yourself are better equipped to fulfill the needs of Veterans that we don’t usually hear about? In typical fashion, I am sure the VA’s way is “out of sight out of mind”, this too needs to be fixed. Thank you for the care you provide, it is priceless, PRICELESS.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Get a copy of those records and see what was said, when they seen him.

Be prepared to get mad !

They probably blamed the veteran, what they write is not always the way it happened.

Veteran did not express suicidal thoughts and has no plan to kill himself, veteran agrees to go home.

What is said and what they write is sometimes way different. A lot of times they make the veterans sound like they are faking and have other motives for seeking treatment.

Milingers, faking, homeless needs a place to stay.

When beds are full the VA sends patients to private hospitals, until a bed is found, sometimes to a different state.

Sometimes the doctors are tired, hungover and do not follow through, to much trouble (work)

SWOosh
SWOosh

Unfortunately they do what they want not what they are told in policy.

JAMES A SMITH
JAMES A SMITH

ATTN. ALL HANDS:; GRAB your Vaseline and bend over/ it’s another day at the V.A. THANK all of you for your comments, I was going to list individually the names of the post that caught my attn. but they all did today. YA’LL HAVE A GOOD DAY. I’m headed to the garden !!!

Mari
Mari

Yes, just as you stated “it’s another day at the V.A.” Now, I can imagine it with a tune like the song “Another Day In Paradise” from long ago. Wonder if they can hear it, also? Shame on them…all of them that pretend nothing’s wrong here!

namnibor
namnibor

The VA even has some extra course ground glass they will add to that Vaseline for a little friction for our pleasure principle.

Vassilis Margaris
Vassilis Margaris

I think the Deceased, made the VA and the rest of Government a Big (ultimate) favor!
It is EXACTLY what they want from us ! To get suicidal and get rid of us!
I am not gonna “Make them the Favor”!
MSG VAM

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

This really makes me mad, I don’t understand why so many people believe what VA is saying about suicidal veterans.

Many veterans have sought treatment and only told sorry no room, now go away or belittle them.

The VA reported him as a disruptive veteran and we know how that helps. This illegal disruptive committee must be disbanded.
.
They have to business or authority to act as our judiciary system, they are doing more harm, than help.

Veterans are just taking time away from employees to their breaks, hungry hippo game.

Same old song and dance.

Put employees in jail, then they will get the message ! Don’t skirt around the problem, hold these employees accountable.

No more B.S. tell the dam truth for once !

God rest you sole young man, you will not be forgotten and veterans will not forget how you were treated or not treated.

This young man, was me 40 year’s ago and the VA denied me care and I also tried to commit suicide.

For the grace of God did I not succeed. I would have missed out on all of my children and now their children.

I shed a tear. !

James R.
James R.

Refuse to leave, make them call the VA Police and contact the VA Director., and tell them what you are experiencing, even if you spend time in jail they are going to know you need help, and not to be jail.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Your being disruptive and just earned yourself a flag and now you are a threat to VA employees.

Now it’s our turn to teach you to not do as we say and this will be for the rest of your life !

If you don’t like it kill yourself !

That’s the VA way, proven over and over, remember VA police carry guns and if they shoot and kill you for acting up too bad.

The VA more excuses than Carter has liver pills.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – Do you know how I can recover a password for a local admin account, that enables one to log in to use laptop? I’m stuck. Thanks. – – – Nutter

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

“If you forget your Windows admin password, try this”
All is not lost. You just have to wiggle the lock on the virtual back door.
“http://www.pcworld.com/article/2988539/windows/if-you-forget-your-windows-admin-password-try-this.html”

If this doesn’t help let me know there are other ways. Just need to know which version of windows you are using.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – This is a time that I wished that I’d taken windows classes in college, but I was too busy doing research, writing papers, and giving dissertations. I’m not using a Microsoft account like the presenter is using in this video.

I use and log in through Windows 10 OS program. Being that I’m so busy with VA stuffs, do you happen to know a very good and trust worthy FREE program for novices? Or, a low cost retail product for novices? Or, another way that is for a Windows simpleton to use with ease? LoL

This feels like I lost my wallet or keys. I normally write all passwords down. All others are fine and accounted for. I must of got sidetracked about something when Windows prompted me to change the password. Seymore, I do (and have always), appreciated your help. Many thanks. – – – Nutter.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

While there are a number of ways a person can hack the system. I believe the best way is to follow the Microsoft support team’s recommendation to reset Windows 10. Although this method will erase any stored data you may have on the laptop and remove any programs you have already installed on the system.

It will give you a fresh start with the system and any programs you may wish to reinstall you can.

See: “Reset your Windows 10 local account password”
At: “https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4028457/windows-reset-your-windows-10-local-account-password”

If you forgot your Microsoft account password, follow these steps.

If you don’t have a Microsoft account and forgot your local account password, you can’t recover it. Instead, you’ll need to reset your PC.

Warning: Following these steps will remove all of your data, programs, and settings.

1. Start your PC and select the Power  icon in the bottom right-hand corner of the lock screen.

2. While holding down the Shift key, select Restart.

3. On the Boot options menu, select Troubleshoot > Reset this PC > Remove everything.

4. Your PC will restart and will reset itself.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – Are you saying that ALL those programs online to either restore, reset, or to hack your pc, are not good to use? If I’m correct in what I think, is that even though if I found a reputable program (or there is none), that there still would be trash on my pc that could cause problems down the line?

I hear what you’re saying in your post, but this is a tall order (I know, I should of wrote down my password as soon as I changed it). I got tired up, forgot to write it down, then forgot the password. That’s the Native American and Polish clashing in me. LoL

I have to lay on my right side, because my laptop is on a chair. When laying on my right side for long periods, my right arm and leg goes numb due to muscle atrophy (artery, vein, and nerve effected by pressure), and I get these like-migraines (actually musculoskeletal pressure and tension) in my neck, and it flares up the back of my head, to my forehead. Its very painful and debilitating.

Seymore, dag nab, a big job ahead, and don’t know if the risks for more pain outweighs me doing this repair myself. You get the gist. Let me know if I’m on mark with my contents in the first and second paragraph. Thank you so much. – – – Nutter.

James Clement
James Clement

@ANutterVet – – – Ouch! Big job there. When you reset your PC, you will lose everything that you have put into it. All programs, apps, etc will have to be reinstalled, and all your data will have to be re-input.

As Seymore says though – – – in your case (with what you have shared publicly) that method seems to be the best way. I know it will be a major pain in the ass.

Once you have done it though, you may prevent ever having to do it again by following the procedures contained in this article as soon as you have your basic Win10 installation completed, and your local accounts set up.

Good luck on getting it completed.

“http://www.notebookreview.com/howto/how-to-create-a-windows-10-password-reset-disk/”

James Clement
James Clement

Veteran – – – A person who at one point in their life wrote a blank check for an amount “up to, and including my life” to the United States of America. THAT is Honor. There exist far too many people in this nation who have not the slightest clue of what that means, or entails.

America – – – “Thanks for your Service! Sorry you’re homeless. Hope things get better! Off to the mall now, got to catch the sale . . .”

Veterans Administration – – – “We are working really hard to help veterans fulfill their Honor. 22 veteran deaths daily. Working to raise those numbers for America . . . ”

Worthless Fucking Asshats.

Tom
Tom

I am not sure if someone mentioned this above, so I apologize if I missed it. I would report this incident and psychiatrist to the Iowa Board of Medicine. Let that agency conduct an investigation and draw conclusions. Maybe I’m wrong, but if you have a patient experiencing suicidal thoughts, how in the hell do you release them? There was no bed in the entire hospital, or just on the MH floor? In the surrounding area?

More veterans need to file complaints with their state’s Board of Medicine, or similar agencies. Just my thoughts.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Welcome, they should not let any veteran go without treatment, but no beds is an excuse for year’s.

The VA does have the option of admitting veteran to act non va facility and I believe this should have been done in this case.

One must remember that a lot of the VA employees have worked for the VA for many year’s.

They get the idea in their head that they can do what ever they want to do and no one will tell them different.

Its the good ol boy system. The VA has veterans suffering from traumatic brain injury and post traumatic brain injury and are very sensitive some times and may get mad.

They are not doing this on purpose, it’s part of their disability and the VA should know this.

But too often the veterans will have their disability act up and the veterans disability kicks in and they may act up.

In stead of using the skills of a professional to try and calm the veterans down and find out what the problem is !

Instead the VA, has adopted the technic of not trying to use those skills and opted to report these veterans as being disruptive and call the VA police.

Then the veterans still do not get care, what they do get is a letter telling the veterans they have been deemed a threat to VA employees.

And from now on they are to report to the VA police anytime they come into the facility.

Their official medical records are coded for disruptive behavior and then every employee, see’s this flag and the veterans are treated like criminals.

They are shunned and employees will treat them as a threat. The VA will then tell those veterans ” if the VA ever hears that you are reported again as being disruptive, you will have federal charges placed upon you, you will be arrested and you will be banished from all VA care.

So, veterans that act up because of their service connected disability, the VA punishes them through the disruptive committee.

The VA requires per regulations to write down or document any disruptive behavior.

Problem is thousands of veterans are being reported disruptive and did nothing more than complain about an employee or tell an employee they are going to report them.

The VA has become or thinks they have the right to punish veterans at will ! No hearing, no way to disprove the allegations.

You are guilty, not innocent until proven guilty !

What they are doing effects the veterans and many have committed suicide because of this.

VA will twist the story and injoy seeing those veterans suffer and will pick on those veterans until they can no longer take it and since they have no one to go to, they do what many employees want them to do Die.

Its been very effective so far and no one cares. Sad but true !

The VA could admit they can not even place you at the VA, but if a employees reports you, that’s all that is needed.

Hearsay is proof enough, wonder why veterans want choice.?

Lem
Lem

Denver VA admitted me to a local hospital, Lutheran Medical. It was far worse than the VA. An out the door policy in 3 days ready or not. Didn’t have time to adjust to medication change. Developed Stevens Johnson syndrome. Almost went to the Denver Post’s (newspaper) office with a pint, some pills and a plastic bag. Didn’t have writing material or time to write it up. Must be an excuse because the writing material would have been available the same way as the pint as I look back on the befuddled plan. Buy it at a store?

So I doubt that option would have worked for this suicide victim. It was mass transit at a cost of over $6,000.00 to the VA. A money factory for Lutheran and nothing more.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

If you did not spend those 3 days as an inpatient, would you be alive today to tell me.?

Same thing with Parkview, it’s better to be with people or patients that are going through the same thing.

Not those crazy civilians. ! Lol

La junta

Lem
Lem

That is $6,000.00 per day for 4 days. I managed to get one extra day.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Where did they send you, the Hilton !
$6000, did u order steak for every meal. Just kidding u know !

72 hr hold !

Lem
Lem

lock up ward. 6 doctors. 2 on every shift. plus nursing staff. Only bed available to me in Denver. Took 7 hours for the VA staff to find it.

It was primarily a drug detox facility. But I didn’t need detox because I don’t do drugs or alcohol. Just needed a cool off period so I wouldn’t go berserk.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Some times that’s what we need. The VA knows they need more beds for ptsd patients.

No reason for this to be their excuse, that’s all it is An excuse.

Planning, is not their thing.

Lem
Lem

It is not beds. There are plenty. Just not enough physicians to cover them. The Directors can’t keep their staff because they keep insisting they go against the Hippocratic oath to do no wrong. Especially in recordation of observations. Took 34 years for me to diagnosed as having partial and complex partial seizures. The VA even suborned a study with false conclusions from Yale University Medical School in exchange for the School’s use of VA telemetry (continuous brain studies electronically–EEGs) units that caused denial and treatment of temporal lobe seizures.

The study was picked up by medical text books in the mid 1990s and remained the “fact” until finally disproven in 2012. There is still one medical text book with the misinformation from that study in the Medical Libraries and in publication.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Ok

Ex va
Ex va

@Tom, you are exactly correct. They did not provide medical treatment to save this Veterans life. This Veteran was in crisis, the va could have used choice and put him in a crisis unit in the private sector until he became stable on medications and received help so he could make better choices in his life. This is such a grievous state of affairs on how the va chose not to help this individual. We know that the va does not adequately care for mental health veterans and when they become in crisis, this is how we loose our fellow brother and sister veterans.

Craig Womer
Craig Womer

Mostly y’all said it but someone needs to get out there and start firing the whole Damn Department and hire some people that give a chit. Some of us Vets are crazy but all of us can shoot a straight line. Yalll need to get off this kill or be killed kick stop waiting for us to die, before we decide to take things into our own hands, this is why we need CHOICE PROGRAM. AT LEAST CIVILIAN DOCTORS WON’T KILL US CAUSE THEY CAN BE SUED. And we get better health care. If it wasn’t for Choice I would already be dead waiting for the VA to decide when I needed Aortic Surgery. The civilian doc wrote the need for emergency surgery and got it done. So thanx VA. My surgeon said I should live another 30 years so I can haunt you live.

Lem
Lem

Problem is you have a higher standard of proof with a civilian physician than with a VA physician. That is why the VA wants you to go Choice. They are losing too many suits for compensation of disabilities incurred from treatment. It eats up bonus money.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – – – Know of at Bull Dog attorneys that are Malpractice Attorney’s against the VA? Can you post any references per your above comment? Thanks. – – -Nutter.

Lem
Lem

Look for the state you want to file in. Then contact that state’s bar association.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

That is a good one, hell no I won’t go, I’m going to stick around and give u a taste of your own medicine !

That should be a poster for national suicide month, hell no I won’t go, so forget it VA !

Not today, not today ! You can not get rid of me that easy. !

Nice one ! Your the type we need on this site, we are growing bigger and bigger disabled veterans. Org

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

If the VA OIG can not bring itself to make the OBVIOUS statements of GUILT then it needs to be split off from the VA and re-assigned under an enforcement agency. Maybe if the OIG for the VA was under DoJ they wouldn’t be so eager to white wash every investigation where the VA is CLEARLY at fault or look the other way at every senior manager screwing de-frauding veterans of the care and benefits OWED THEM.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Why does your name sound so familiar.?

James Clement
James Clement

@James Gallegos – – – Maybe because it is a takeoff of this J. Clapper? NOT the same guy!

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper”

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Better to ask, than keep wondering, never know !

Thanks for your posting

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

You are also right about the DOJ.

yesIcomplainloudly
yesIcomplainloudly

Untouchables….The entire VA system and its Secretary Shulk, VA OIG, Congress and their useless GAO, Unions and their Cox, VSOs and their nazi hats, All of the federal departments and agencies….
They want us DEAD.

Jo3n
Jo3n

All we are getting is new things to object to. I’m confused as to what is law, and the new rules the VA is implementing. The VA still is not following the Laws Congress keeps issuing. The VA misinterprates, to the VA’s benefits and changes them laws before we understand them. Then, VA is still not being held accountable. What VA shows people is a joke. All these bad things happen in the VA, and most of the employees fired are not part of our problems. Shulkin is sneaky and conniving. He’s in there for himself, he has nothing to do with Veterans. Haven’t enough Vietnam Veterans shown the VA all the ailments, or conditions caused by agent Orange? Why is the VA deciding? VA shouldn’t be labeling causes of agent Orange. They lie. Remember, it’s not about Veterans, it’s about them.

Jo3n
Jo3n

@Caregiver of a Veteran, I am always aware of the politics that goes with the job. The, friendly people at the VA, keep it a stressful job. Their ever-changing laws and regulations truly wear a good person down. Thank you for your service.

Dustin Davis
Dustin Davis

VA OIG + Patient Advocates = VA DAMAGE CONTROL/RISK MITIGATION SUPER FORCE!!!!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

NO ACCOUNTABILITY + NO ETHICS = Creates a environment for Corruption. Happens all the time when greed gets in the way. – – – Nutter.

Dustin Davis
Dustin Davis

By the way, many of you folks have a lot of knowledge to offer, but PLEASE SHORTEN YOUR POSTS/TRUNCATE THEM…PLEASE!!!!!!

Dustin Davis
Dustin Davis

OK…BOSSSSSSSS.

Dustin Davis
Dustin Davis

Here is a haiku poem that demonstrates my experience on the VA Iowa City Psych ward (9th Floor) (yes, its true!).

An old cranky psych nurse…
Nurse’s hang out on Facebook and WWW.
Patient’s argue over timing of meds.

You see???

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