No Vacancy: IG Says VA Rejected Suicidal Veteran Before Suicide

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VA Suicide Iowa City

VA OIG confirmed allegations that one VA psychiatrist refused to admit a suicidal veteran hours before he committed suicide.

Why?

The inpatient unit was full.

Had VA not failed to follow certain protocol prior to the suicide, the psychiatrist may not have rejected the veteran’s request but instead admitted him right away.

How is it that despite hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars allocated to suicide prevention, tons of public scrutiny, and numerous protocol improvements, is VA still getting it wrong?

IG Investigation Of Suicidal Veteran

The facility in question is the Iowa City VA Medical Center. The IG investigation determined the agency provided Ketchum with inadequate services but stopped short at finding that the deficiencies caused the suicide.

In July 2016, veteran Brandon Ketchum asked a VA psychiatrist to admit him for inpatient care but the psychiatrist refused. Early into the appointment, the veteran then became distraught and left the facility. Hours later, he was dead from an apparent suicide.

According to IG, “It is difficult to determine the degree, if any, to which these shortcomings contributed to the patient’s death by suicide.” Had VA properly evaluated the veterans psychosocial struggles, that knowledge may have altered the course of care.

The Iowa City facility failed to adhere to VHA policies on no-shows, treatment planning, and the use of principal MH providers. But again, IG stopped short of concluded these failures contributed materially to the suicide much less refusing to admit the veteran when the veteran asked hours before the suicide.

Lawmaker Statement

IG investigated the suicide at the behest of lawmakers that pressured the agency to look into the matter.

Iowa Senators Grassley and Ernst, Wisconsin Senator Johnson, and Iowa Representative Loebsack released the following statement about the findings in the review:

This case is a tragic example of why we must do better for our veterans. It also illustrates the importance of having independent watchdogs at federal agencies. Inspectors general review agency work and point out problems that need to be fixed and ensure that policies and procedures in place are adequate. In this case, the inspector general report made four recommendations to improve mental health treatment for veterans going forward, but could not determine if these shortcomings impacted Brandon’s care. With an average of 20 veterans committing suicide a day, the VA must do everything in its power to extend help before it is too late. When it comes to caring for these brave men and women, there is no room for error. We expect the VA to implement the recommendations thoroughly and carefully, and we intend to make sure the VA does so. The VA should go beyond the recommendations if necessary. We all have to work as hard as possible to make sure all veterans receive the care they need and deserve.

Anyone interested in the course of treatment and protocol VA is supposed to follow for suicidal ideations and suicide prevention should reach this IG report closely.

It does provide a great deal of insight into what should happen.

Source: https://www.va.gov/oig/pubs/VAOIG-16-04535-329.pdf

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!
The IG reports are nothing but tabloid news papers and have zero meaning uf they keep conviently fall short of confirming malpractice and direct links to something that will put the government at fault. These reports are so that DOJ will not certify indemnification in court. There should be a way to file a 42 1983 claim against the OIG for false misrepresetations in at least some of these reports, because it may be the reason why they hide them… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
If you are referring to a complaint because of a FOIA or Privacy Act violation then the site hhs dot gov. Keep in mind that you have a statutory six months time frame to file from the time you became aware of the violation. Here is the kicker…. even when the violation is FULLY substantiated (as was the one I filed) the most severe “punishment” that HHS will mete out was what they did for me; “…we have provided technical… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
Proof from my Sunday morning Wikipedia rampage. This is from Wikipedias VA page; “In the latest Center for Effective Government analysis of 15 federal agencies which receive the most Freedom of Information Act (United States) (FOIA) requests, published in 2015 (using 2012 and 2013 data, the most recent years available), the VA earned a D by scoring 64 out of a possible 100 points, i.e. did not earn a satisfactory overall grade.[29]” I have already began adding edits to the… Read more »
cj
cj

@Dennis: Damn good idea Dennis!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Great Job Dennis!!

VA IS LYINF INC.

VA DEATHCARE DOESENT GIVE A RATS ASS ABOUT DEAD VETS ITS ALL ABOUT THE BONOUS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$MORE DEAD VETS THE BIGGER BONOUS $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$VETS DONT BE PENDEJOES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

namnibor
namnibor

Amen! Don’t forget the RICO rant. Consistency, consistency. 🙂

Robert Boshears
Sadly this comment is probably more true than not. As far as veteran suicides go, and I am fortunate I have never needed that kind of help but I know men who are no longer with us and those who feel that way! When you call a VA telephone number, you are programmed to push buttons for what language you speak what department you want if it’s a 911 emergency, hang up and call another number it goes on for… Read more »
cj
cj

You are right again my friend, I wish I could give you a bigger mountain top to yell it from….

Dennis
Dennis
There are ZERO beds in the entire State Of Oregon available (as has been the case for at least four years) for ANY inpatient mental health care. Period. Once Obama tugged the magic socialist medicine strings a multitude of folks who need help suddenly could afford it. In Oregon this filled EVERY SINGLE bed for transient inpatient care in the entire state. When I melted down years back after gulping down the prescribed VA cocktail (7 different drugs, of which… Read more »
Mari
Mari
Dennis, you describe it so well that I can picture the insanity of being declared stabilized exactly as you wrote it…”and not flinch… from the random screaming and outbreaks… then they deem you are stabilized.” This is the stuff movies are made of, reminding me somewhat of that older movie “One flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest,” except this isn’t make-believe, but the true crisis of what can happen before our very eyes. Then, one gets to go home, maybe, if… Read more »
James Gallegos
In order to ensure veterans are getting proper care, every employee must be required to wear cameras. Plus a camera in every area, big signs posted through out the facility, advising anyone entering the facility is being recorded.. I know someone will say, what even in the bathroom. No ! The VA will site privacy concerns, that does not fly ! If everyone knows it’s being recorded there should be no problem… Cameras are every where anyway, they are afraid… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
@James LOLZ!!! In regards to “privacy” on a VA mental ward….. There is NO bodily function that you need to perform on a routine basis that is not completely open to scrutiny by the overweight hot dog eating, twinkee face stuffing government employees that go to a mental ward to get paid money. Toilets are in the open. Showers too. You are watched in your bed. You are watched out of bed. You are watched alone. You are watched in… Read more »
Lem
Lem

All wards aren’t West LA “Coats” level.

James Gallegos
Hell with the union, camera’s are the answer and the union should imbrace this, as it will assist when a VA employee is falsely accused. People would feel safer if they know someone besides God is watching over them. They have camera’s now, but not where they need to be, if an employee or veteran does something and it’s recorded that’s real proof and not hearsay. These camera’s are every where, the police use them and almost every store. No… Read more »
cj
cj
The VAOIG is the responsible party for this Veterans death, it is THEY who look the other way, it is THEY, who cover up crimes, and that is how this shit happens in the first place. It is also the DOJ who is at fault, for leaving it up to the VAOIG to do THEIR work, it is the DOJ’s job to prosecute these assholes not the VAOIG, but they don’t do they? Murderers every single one of them, and… Read more »
James Gallegos

You mean the oig is guilty of covering it up and that’s makes them just as guilty !!!!!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Department of Veterans Affairs
VHA DIRECTIVE 2010

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Veterans Health Administration
Washington, DC 20420
December 3, 2010
PATIENT RECORD FLAGS
1. PURPOSE:
This Veterans Health Administration (VHA) Directive outlines policy and
guidance for the proper use of Patient Record Flags (PRF) to enhance safety for patients,
employees, and visitors.
2. BACKGROUND
a.
VHA is committed to a safety program that is systems based and focused on prevention,
not on punishment or retribution. Preventative m
ethods that target root causes
are favored

“https://nebula.wsimg.com/c9bc7ae4826801e52781e2e19d539d60?AccessKeyId=1FBD76F67BF87C8DD859&disposition=0&alloworigin=1”

namnibor
namnibor
RAND Corp. Concludes: The VA OIG only MONITORS for problems, but never identifies ANY problem properly in which it could be found to hold the VA accountable and liable for inaction. Never. RAND Corp. Recommends the VA OIG utilize sharper false teeth that make it APPEAR that the foxes guarding the VA henhouses are not really fond of chickens. (cooked or partially cooked chicken) Hey Benjamin! How about appointing every VA Whistleblower to replace every VA OIG? The VA OIG… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Don’t know about the name you choose Namnibor, “VA OIG- VA Officially Impotent Gangbangers”. Might be more approximately named “VA OIG- VA Officially Impotent Circle Jerk Pivotal Personnel”. Their job description includes authoring the illusions of accountability while solely protecting the VA.

SWOosh
SWOosh

They do lots of veteran prosecution It is a coin flip if one can rely on VAMC for anything. It’s peaceful to stay far away.

namnibor
namnibor
Imagine if the country’s emergency 911 system operated as lackadaisically as the VA OIG. The cemetery and funeral businesses would be THRIVING with the sheer number of ignored calls resulting in many deaths, a bit way VA spends it’s Veteran Suicide Prevention budget. I am betting that if only the VA could DOUBLE their Suicide Prevention Budget, they could increase that daily Veteran Suicide Number to 44. At the VAOIG, we see no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil… Read more »
ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017
THANK YOU!!! If a civilian threatens suicide, your average hospital would place them on a 72 hour stay/hold to evaluate their mental health and either release them, send them for treatment, etc. So, why can’t the VA perform such a simple task? Even “if” they had no room, they had a responsibility to send him to an emergency room to get that 72 hr hold/evaluation. The family of this veteran should sue the VA for this death. I don’t know… Read more »
SWOosh
SWOosh

LMFAO

cj
cj

@namnibor: “VA OIG- VA Officially Impotent Gangbangers.”

An extremely accurate description, wholly mackerel, your spot on!!!!

JAMES A SMITH
namnibor:; GOOD IDEA, replace the oig’s with whistleblowers at least it would be different. HELL it couldn’t hurt,at least it would be doing something because they are not going to disrupt their benefits/bonuses/pay/ the proverbial cart! WE can TRUST them to do nothing to improve the SYSTEM. I am going to shut up now because the more I think about it the worse mood I get in and I need to work in my garden, in a good mood .F—… Read more »
Dennis
Dennis
Here is the timeline for just what VA is. Ben speaks of insight. Do we really need an OIG report to tell us ANYTHING that this timeline does not? 1921 — Congress creates the Veterans Bureau to administer assistance to World War I veterans. Nine years later under a cloud of scandal & corruption. 1930 — The Veterans Administration is created. 1932 — Thousands of World War I veterans and their families march on Washington to demand payment of promised… Read more »
cj
cj

Nice short list, let’s not forget this attention grabbing headline: Published January 29, 2008

Investigators Suspects Substandard Care Led to 19 Deaths at Illinois VA Hospital
“http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/01/29/investigators-suspects-substandard-care-led-to-1-deaths-at-illinois-va-hospital.html”

cj
cj

What did the VAOIG do with this director? oh yes nobody prosecuted many dead Veterans and the whack a mole says………………………new Las Vegas director…….way to go DOJ…..

Windguy
Windguy

And people still allow – or encourage their kids to serve this fucking cuntry.

SWOosh
SWOosh

Exactly they are not hearing all. Put the word out. I see grocery bags of food in commissary from government employees. Close by a VAMC. This is a matter of national security the VAMC best wake the fuck up. Military will get less than average so so

Vassilis Margaris
Vassilis Margaris

Thanks Dennis! Very informative!
Everybody, (especially the Veterans) should know this History)
MSG VAM

Lem
Lem

1991 “unnecessary surgeries”? Brain surgery? Yale University Medical School neurosurgery experiments gone bad?

“http://epilepsy.yale.edu/about/history/1980.aspx”
“https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995886/”

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Dennis,
In 1922 or 1923, President Hoover was caught strangling the head of the Veterans Bureau, his long time poker buddy, over; a.) “…a 99 year lease he made with a floor wax company.” And, b.) Monies he received in kickbacks!”
In my opinion, I think President Hoover was pissed!
This “incident” is recorded in the Library of Congress!
Maybe President Trump should take a hint from this!!!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
One important fact you may wish to add to the timeline. The Tuskegee Veterans Administration Medical Center began in 1923 as an old soldiers’ home in Tuskegee, Alabama. It was originally called the Tuskegee Home, part of the National Home for Disabled Volunteer Soldiers system. The home-hospital, eventually 27 buildings, was developed next to the Tuskegee Normal and Industrial Institute campus (now Tuskegee University) on 464 acres (188 ha), with 300 acres of the property donated by the Institute. Its… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Since it’s inception the Veterans health care facility became the model of all Veterans health care facilities in which the facility was attached to an area University with Veterans being used in research and for training at those universities. The US Public Health Service not only condoned but utilized the practice. One of the other Doctors involved in the study was John Charles Cutler was a senior surgeon, and the acting chief of the venereal disease program in the United… Read more »
Lem
Lem

Following

Raider 2-6
Raider 2-6

Why doesn’t Shulkin fire that Asshole? All talk, little action.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Better question is why isn’t Shulkin being fired?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf
I do believe everyone has covered this issue at length! The OIG investigators are nothing more than “VA piglets”, NOT putting the blame onto where the blame should lie! They’re nothing more than VA co-conspirators in a corrupt failing VHA and VBA! And, IF veterans didn’t have more to worry about. Check out the news from: ___________________ From: “The Military Advantage Blog” via: “Military.com/Daily News” Titled: “VA to Decide on New Agent Orange Ailments by Nov. 1” Posted by: Tom… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor

THAT would be the purpose of the bolted-down deck chair of VBA Agent Orange Denier Thomas Murphy on the V.A. Titanic. The VA is wiping their collective asses with proven science.

I think we need a lot more poop canons than previously assumed.

Windguy
Windguy

The VA – and America – will do what they’ve always done – study the shit out of it until everyone affected is dead.

James Gallegos

The VA is a nation with in the United state’s and they have their owns laws and law enforcement.

All others must face a real judge and jury, not the VA, do something wrong and you must answer for it.

Not the VA, they have a licence to kill, no problem. Just don’t do it again ! Ok

Veteran’s seeking help, news tell stories and Shulkin, admits the problem and were working on it.

cj
cj

I think they just need to star finding Directors in the parking lots…………………

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

I couldn’t have said that better myself cj.

Ex va
Ex va

@cj, probably would find more competent directors.

SWOosh
SWOosh

Skid row be betta. Reality is if all due diligence was to go into effect. There would have to be mass firings. So for a systemic cancer they have to apply time for new and equalize the riddance of old.

cj
cj

Sorry for the typo, should have been “start” not “star” as in “start finding directors in the parking lots with a bullet in their head.”

cj
cj

@Ex va: LOL, your Soo right, I didn’t think of it like that.

cj
cj

Later Gators- !¡¡!-

SWOosh
SWOosh

There was this dentist from VA in reserves deployed to Afghanistan. He came back uninjured But they said he never would come out of his office and finally left. I guess he never should told troops he worked at VA.

James Gallegos

????

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@SWOosh,
Well, many veterans here have been contacting “active duty personnel” around the world. They are being informed about how the Veterans Administration fucks over their brothers and sisters back here “in the World!”
Maybe it’s time to see some – “Friendly Fire!”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
More on the continuing criminal enterprise known as the Veterans Heath Care system. Last year Gilead made nearly $3 billion marketing the Hep C cure mostly to the VA. Their course of treatment costing around $94,500 per patient. Just approved by the FDA is a new drug named Mavyret produced by AbbVie. Mavyret’s list price without insurance will be $26,400 for eight weeks’ treatment. About 1/4 the cost of Gileads more dangerous product. No doubt the price is reduced for… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
Just to remind everyone that $3 billion was taken from the Veteran’s Choice program to fund treating Veterans with Hep C with the Gilead drug. But then the VA also began sending all Veterans being treated for Hep C through the Veteran’s Choice program to further drain the $13 Billion Congress appropriated for the Program. Given the recent legislation adding an additional $2 billion to cover the Veteran Choice program for 6 months while hiding attachments to the legislation to… Read more »
namnibor
namnibor
ON an UP NOTE re: Pig Pharma; that sleezeball sleestack Martin Skrirelli that jacked-up drugs prices insanely, a couple times and laughed at the courts…well, he just got indicted for fraud and convicted. Let’s see if the shit sticks. Where this sleezeball sticks is where every crooked VA employee should also be stored. That Martin Sleestack Skirielli (sp?) should be given a rare disease in which in order for him to get his daily dose of the antidote while in… Read more »
Caregiver of a Veteran
Caregiver of a Veteran
Very sad!!!!! The Hampton VA did this to mine when he kept going in to steal a min. W/ the DOM or called. They kept pushing him n off claiming there were “no beds available” so they kept sending him back home. This went on for (on & off) 4mos. Before they finally had a bed available for him. I know that ALOT of Veterans are needing attn. But to say there’s no room then send them home?! WTF??!! FIND… Read more »
cj
cj
@Caregiver of a Veteran: Caregiver, your making too much sense, the va regularly wastes billions of dollars on bad art, over budgeted construction, bonuses, theft of property,and outrageous salaries. You would indeed think they could find money to purchase more beds, and find the space to utilize them. I think maybe a few, or more than a few, Veterans Caregivers, should be utilized in the form of a committee of some type, that has powers given to them by the… Read more »
James Gallegos
Get a copy of those records and see what was said, when they seen him. Be prepared to get mad ! They probably blamed the veteran, what they write is not always the way it happened. Veteran did not express suicidal thoughts and has no plan to kill himself, veteran agrees to go home. What is said and what they write is sometimes way different. A lot of times they make the veterans sound like they are faking and have… Read more »
SWOosh
SWOosh

Unfortunately they do what they want not what they are told in policy.

JAMES A SMITH

ATTN. ALL HANDS:; GRAB your Vaseline and bend over/ it’s another day at the V.A. THANK all of you for your comments, I was going to list individually the names of the post that caught my attn. but they all did today. YA’LL HAVE A GOOD DAY. I’m headed to the garden !!!

Mari
Mari

Yes, just as you stated “it’s another day at the V.A.” Now, I can imagine it with a tune like the song “Another Day In Paradise” from long ago. Wonder if they can hear it, also? Shame on them…all of them that pretend nothing’s wrong here!

namnibor
namnibor

The VA even has some extra course ground glass they will add to that Vaseline for a little friction for our pleasure principle.

Vassilis Margaris
Vassilis Margaris

I think the Deceased, made the VA and the rest of Government a Big (ultimate) favor!
It is EXACTLY what they want from us ! To get suicidal and get rid of us!
I am not gonna “Make them the Favor”!
MSG VAM

James Gallegos
This really makes me mad, I don’t understand why so many people believe what VA is saying about suicidal veterans. Many veterans have sought treatment and only told sorry no room, now go away or belittle them. The VA reported him as a disruptive veteran and we know how that helps. This illegal disruptive committee must be disbanded. . They have to business or authority to act as our judiciary system, they are doing more harm, than help. Veterans are… Read more »
James R.
James R.

Refuse to leave, make them call the VA Police and contact the VA Director., and tell them what you are experiencing, even if you spend time in jail they are going to know you need help, and not to be jail.

James Gallegos

Your being disruptive and just earned yourself a flag and now you are a threat to VA employees.

Now it’s our turn to teach you to not do as we say and this will be for the rest of your life !

If you don’t like it kill yourself !

That’s the VA way, proven over and over, remember VA police carry guns and if they shoot and kill you for acting up too bad.

The VA more excuses than Carter has liver pills.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – Do you know how I can recover a password for a local admin account, that enables one to log in to use laptop? I’m stuck. Thanks. – – – Nutter

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

“If you forget your Windows admin password, try this”
All is not lost. You just have to wiggle the lock on the virtual back door.
“http://www.pcworld.com/article/2988539/windows/if-you-forget-your-windows-admin-password-try-this.html”

If this doesn’t help let me know there are other ways. Just need to know which version of windows you are using.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Seymore Klearly – – – This is a time that I wished that I’d taken windows classes in college, but I was too busy doing research, writing papers, and giving dissertations. I’m not using a Microsoft account like the presenter is using in this video. I use and log in through Windows 10 OS program. Being that I’m so busy with VA stuffs, do you happen to know a very good and trust worthy FREE program for novices? Or, a… Read more »
Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly
While there are a number of ways a person can hack the system. I believe the best way is to follow the Microsoft support team’s recommendation to reset Windows 10. Although this method will erase any stored data you may have on the laptop and remove any programs you have already installed on the system. It will give you a fresh start with the system and any programs you may wish to reinstall you can. See: “Reset your Windows 10… Read more »
ANutterVet
ANutterVet
@Seymore Klearly – – – Are you saying that ALL those programs online to either restore, reset, or to hack your pc, are not good to use? If I’m correct in what I think, is that even though if I found a reputable program (or there is none), that there still would be trash on my pc that could cause problems down the line? I hear what you’re saying in your post, but this is a tall order (I know,… Read more »
James Clement
James Clement
@ANutterVet – – – Ouch! Big job there. When you reset your PC, you will lose everything that you have put into it. All programs, apps, etc will have to be reinstalled, and all your data will have to be re-input. As Seymore says though – – – in your case (with what you have shared publicly) that method seems to be the best way. I know it will be a major pain in the ass. Once you have done… Read more »
James Clement
James Clement
Veteran – – – A person who at one point in their life wrote a blank check for an amount “up to, and including my life” to the United States of America. THAT is Honor. There exist far too many people in this nation who have not the slightest clue of what that means, or entails. America – – – “Thanks for your Service! Sorry you’re homeless. Hope things get better! Off to the mall now, got to catch the… Read more »
Tom
Tom
I am not sure if someone mentioned this above, so I apologize if I missed it. I would report this incident and psychiatrist to the Iowa Board of Medicine. Let that agency conduct an investigation and draw conclusions. Maybe I’m wrong, but if you have a patient experiencing suicidal thoughts, how in the hell do you release them? There was no bed in the entire hospital, or just on the MH floor? In the surrounding area? More veterans need to… Read more »
James Gallegos
Welcome, they should not let any veteran go without treatment, but no beds is an excuse for year’s. The VA does have the option of admitting veteran to act non va facility and I believe this should have been done in this case. One must remember that a lot of the VA employees have worked for the VA for many year’s. They get the idea in their head that they can do what ever they want to do and no… Read more »
Lem
Lem
Denver VA admitted me to a local hospital, Lutheran Medical. It was far worse than the VA. An out the door policy in 3 days ready or not. Didn’t have time to adjust to medication change. Developed Stevens Johnson syndrome. Almost went to the Denver Post’s (newspaper) office with a pint, some pills and a plastic bag. Didn’t have writing material or time to write it up. Must be an excuse because the writing material would have been available the… Read more »
James Gallegos

If you did not spend those 3 days as an inpatient, would you be alive today to tell me.?

Same thing with Parkview, it’s better to be with people or patients that are going through the same thing.

Not those crazy civilians. ! Lol

La junta

Lem
Lem

That is $6,000.00 per day for 4 days. I managed to get one extra day.

James Gallegos

Where did they send you, the Hilton !
$6000, did u order steak for every meal. Just kidding u know !

72 hr hold !

Lem
Lem

lock up ward. 6 doctors. 2 on every shift. plus nursing staff. Only bed available to me in Denver. Took 7 hours for the VA staff to find it.

It was primarily a drug detox facility. But I didn’t need detox because I don’t do drugs or alcohol. Just needed a cool off period so I wouldn’t go berserk.

James Gallegos

Some times that’s what we need. The VA knows they need more beds for ptsd patients.

No reason for this to be their excuse, that’s all it is An excuse.

Planning, is not their thing.

Lem
Lem
It is not beds. There are plenty. Just not enough physicians to cover them. The Directors can’t keep their staff because they keep insisting they go against the Hippocratic oath to do no wrong. Especially in recordation of observations. Took 34 years for me to diagnosed as having partial and complex partial seizures. The VA even suborned a study with false conclusions from Yale University Medical School in exchange for the School’s use of VA telemetry (continuous brain studies electronically–EEGs)… Read more »
James Gallegos

Ok

Ex va
Ex va
@Tom, you are exactly correct. They did not provide medical treatment to save this Veterans life. This Veteran was in crisis, the va could have used choice and put him in a crisis unit in the private sector until he became stable on medications and received help so he could make better choices in his life. This is such a grievous state of affairs on how the va chose not to help this individual. We know that the va does… Read more »
Craig Womer
Craig Womer
Mostly y’all said it but someone needs to get out there and start firing the whole Damn Department and hire some people that give a chit. Some of us Vets are crazy but all of us can shoot a straight line. Yalll need to get off this kill or be killed kick stop waiting for us to die, before we decide to take things into our own hands, this is why we need CHOICE PROGRAM. AT LEAST CIVILIAN DOCTORS WON’T… Read more »
Lem
Lem

Problem is you have a higher standard of proof with a civilian physician than with a VA physician. That is why the VA wants you to go Choice. They are losing too many suits for compensation of disabilities incurred from treatment. It eats up bonus money.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – – – Know of at Bull Dog attorneys that are Malpractice Attorney’s against the VA? Can you post any references per your above comment? Thanks. – – -Nutter.

Lem
Lem

Look for the state you want to file in. Then contact that state’s bar association.

James Gallegos

That is a good one, hell no I won’t go, I’m going to stick around and give u a taste of your own medicine !

That should be a poster for national suicide month, hell no I won’t go, so forget it VA !

Not today, not today ! You can not get rid of me that easy. !

Nice one ! Your the type we need on this site, we are growing bigger and bigger disabled veterans. Org

J.Klapper
J.Klapper

If the VA OIG can not bring itself to make the OBVIOUS statements of GUILT then it needs to be split off from the VA and re-assigned under an enforcement agency. Maybe if the OIG for the VA was under DoJ they wouldn’t be so eager to white wash every investigation where the VA is CLEARLY at fault or look the other way at every senior manager screwing de-frauding veterans of the care and benefits OWED THEM.

James Gallegos

Why does your name sound so familiar.?

James Clement
James Clement

@James Gallegos – – – Maybe because it is a takeoff of this J. Clapper? NOT the same guy!

“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Clapper”

James Gallegos

Better to ask, than keep wondering, never know !

Thanks for your posting

James Gallegos

You are also right about the DOJ.

yesIcomplainloudly
yesIcomplainloudly

Untouchables….The entire VA system and its Secretary Shulk, VA OIG, Congress and their useless GAO, Unions and their Cox, VSOs and their nazi hats, All of the federal departments and agencies….
They want us DEAD.

Jo3n
All we are getting is new things to object to. I’m confused as to what is law, and the new rules the VA is implementing. The VA still is not following the Laws Congress keeps issuing. The VA misinterprates, to the VA’s benefits and changes them laws before we understand them. Then, VA is still not being held accountable. What VA shows people is a joke. All these bad things happen in the VA, and most of the employees fired… Read more »
Jo3n

@Caregiver of a Veteran, I am always aware of the politics that goes with the job. The, friendly people at the VA, keep it a stressful job. Their ever-changing laws and regulations truly wear a good person down. Thank you for your service.

Dustin Davis

VA OIG + Patient Advocates = VA DAMAGE CONTROL/RISK MITIGATION SUPER FORCE!!!!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

NO ACCOUNTABILITY + NO ETHICS = Creates a environment for Corruption. Happens all the time when greed gets in the way. – – – Nutter.

Dustin Davis

By the way, many of you folks have a lot of knowledge to offer, but PLEASE SHORTEN YOUR POSTS/TRUNCATE THEM…PLEASE!!!!!!

Dustin Davis

OK…BOSSSSSSSS.

Dustin Davis

Here is a haiku poem that demonstrates my experience on the VA Iowa City Psych ward (9th Floor) (yes, its true!).

An old cranky psych nurse…
Nurse’s hang out on Facebook and WWW.
Patient’s argue over timing of meds.

You see???

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