Secretary Wants To Redo VA Disability, Present System ‘Not Sustainable’

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VA Disability

With all the talk about cutting Individual Unemployability benefits, the new VA secretary may be pushing for an even more radical step to VA disability compensation.

Who knew Shulkin could take the whole system off a cliff, not just benefits for severely disabled, elderly veterans?

“I think that rethinking how we could approach disability is a key topic that’s going to be very important in future years,” Secretary David Shulkin, MD, said. “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being.”

“Our current disability system that is designed from 50, 60 or 70 years ago….. I would suggest it’s not sustainable and it may not be achieving the results of well-being for our veterans,” Shulkin said at Bush Institute event.

“Everybody recognizes we have a responsibility as a country to provide and be able to supplement resources for veterans that were harmed or injured during their time of duty. I don’t think anybody‘s suggesting that we take away our commitment to that,” he said.

According to Military Times:

Shulkin made the comments in response to a question about whether the system should be re-evaluated. Potential new offerings could include wellness programs, rather than simply monthly compensation payments. Disability compensation is a monthly tax-free benefit paid to veterans who are determined to be at least 10 percent disabled because of injuries or diseases that happened during or were aggravated by military service. 

VA Disability Budget Increases

VA budget documents claim beneficiaries who receive disability compensation and pension benefits in 2018 will increase by 180,000 from the previous year. The increase will result in a $1 billion increase in benefits payouts at $87 billion next year.

While any increase in veterans benefits may seem surprising to Chickenhawks who send us off to war while underfunding the Department of Veterans Affairs, any budget increases seem in line with the high-cost impact of traumatic brain injuries and other disabilities from the present wars.

But are these increases unsightly? Do they warrant a dramatic restructuring of VA disability compensation? Or, are these maneuvers a ploy to just downsize veterans?

Source: http://www.militarytimes.com/articles/va-chief-time-to-rethink-disability-system-current-setup-not-sustainable

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Windguy
Windguy

So unlimited funding for the banksters and the globalist mercenary forces (that’s us, as in US) is OK? Nothing changes unless and until recruitment of new meat is threatened. Onward false-flag soldiers.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

THE FIRST STEP OF THE REVOLUTION IS AWARENESS
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LM2Fi1rhYqc”…..WINDGUY I think you’ll get a kick out of this one..LOL

Windguy
Windguy

Old: O’Keefe lost me at Reptilians. But he’s was on the right path with Israel. I continue to look for Netanyahu’s 90s treatise on Balkanization – it seems to have disappeared from Youtube. Odd that O’Keefe finds air time on RT – Russian Television. Then again, we have MSM, FOX etc. Propaganda is propaganda, regardless of flavor – cheap beer or cheap vodka.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy …………Reptilians/bankers dirt-bags what’s the difference……. The money magicians…The creatures of Jekyll Island ….And you don’t think the MSM would have him on, it might make people think..they like putting B.S. from holly-weird on air…stay tuned for your next scheduled programing… LOL

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Shithead Shulkin is a mouthpiece for the Gov’t’s intent to hold on to the money and screw the veteran, He is such a phony SOB

Rick Lipary
Rick Lipary

Meantime, Shulkin’s beloved Israel is propped up BIG time by US. taxpayers dollars, and 3.8 trillion dollars is spent on 15 consecutive years of middle eastern wars that are usually illegal and immoral, and were based on the big lie of 9/11. There are at LEAST 15 discrepancies between the official version and narrative of 9/11 as presented by our war mongering zionist government, and what REALLY happened!

Windguy
Windguy

If I thought for a second that Trumplethinskin was the right guy to expose what or who lurks in the shadows – I’d forever be on his side. But – he isn’t that guy. That said, he is getting raked over the coals by the NWO brethren. Comey gets booted, and who shows up – Mueller – head of the 9/11 Commission. Booooo haaaaahahaahaha. Dude knows how to rubber-stamp a myth. The Narcissist in Chief makes it sooo easy for him.

Hey – Weathered Leather – it’s sheeple – not shepple. Don’t get me wrong. I like lamb. As for the whole Satanist thing (are we really supposed to capitalize “Satan” – seems too respectful?) … I prefer to stay away from the subject as it detracts from the more tangible elements of grand conspiracies – the fundamentals of which are simply a group of men seeking to dominate all men. Invoking religion merely provides the leap of faith that justifies horrible behavior – kinda like Islam.

Evil lives within all of us. It is up to the individual to choose the right path. Ooooohhhmmmmmmm. Aaaaaahhhhmmmmm. Iiiihhhhhmmmmmm gonna go make pancakes.

Mk
Mk

Somebody finally gets it, us giving is-it-real a fake propped up government in 1947 more than 3 Billion a year in monetary aid and sending them our best military equipment . Just so every fuckn now n then our politricians can get on their knees and say the same Ole robotic shit we need to help our so-called allies when the very government we help Spies on us on a daily basis smfh. Look it up of Jews getting caught spying on the US during or before 9/11 and getting a pass sent back to is-it-real. Not a word was said about it of course. Did they know something was going to happen before it happened? ??

Windguy
Windguy

COKO – it was Shemp – who has interchanged with Curly, or Curly Joe. Nyuk nyuk nyuk.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Wasn’t Shepple one of the Marx Bros or was it the Three Stooges -:) ?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy……. MY BRAIN WAS OVER LOADING MY FINGERS….LOL

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Rick Lipary….Speaking of Isra-hell and 9-11 who do you think runs almost all security for all the airports in the world, I’ll give you one tip and it starts with I…And for the people that think I’m anti jooo , the people of that country are just pawns in the game just like us….FUCKING satanists are running this world…ISIS..Israeli-secret-intelligence-services…with our money of course.. It’s in your face but OOOO no it cant be…. And fighting for freedom what a FARCE, that’s a bullshit line for the shepple..never enough money for the VET’S but plenty for WAR and foreign aid…..and don’t look for any wars ending anytime soon because WAR IS PEACE to these CREATOR rejects….AND THERE YOU HAVE IT FOLKS..and look this one up…”ISIS is working on Mossad/CIA Plan to Create Greater Israel”

JOHN COKOS
JOHN COKOS

The “Israel Lobby” vs the “Veterans Lobby” ? We are out spent and out gunned. Where are those sacred VSO’S who are the champions of Veterans Rights ?

ThisVet2017
ThisVet2017

How can veterans get “better” when the VA (like when we served in the military) dispenses Motrin for everthing; you can’t even get an appointment to see someone (i.e. the wonderful “phantom” waiting lists) and, if/when you finally get seen, you have to deal incompetence, Idgf doctors, or doctors who are stealing the meds from the VA?

cj
cj

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cj
cj

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Ryan O.
Ryan O.

So our government tells us “WE” are entitled to healthcare. But when applying “WE” receive benefits for service connected and non service connected care. Yet, “WE” are a cost, for each individual to the health care system, through our tax system.

So, which is it? A entitlement? A benefit? A cost?

WE served this nation, to protect and defend it against all foreign and domestic. In doing so,
WE understand the cost of our blood, sweat and tears, comes at a price. WE also know, that cost leads to pain, suffering and even death.

So, your saying…WE don’t have a voice?

Ex va
Ex va

The problem is within the va system itself. The va does not want to correct itself and let the employees, doctors, providers, etc. do whatever they please with rarely any accountability.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Ex va – – – You hit the ganglia (nerve gang) of the VA. Directly straight up the main line of corruption. Shulkin is diverting necessary auditing of the VA Health Care and Benefits System, and blaming Disability amounts of payment for Service Connected or Non-Service Connected piss poor caring calculations.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

The VA has been cooking the financial books for DECADES. This looks like a smoke and mirrors maneuver either to move the cheese piece’s around and CYA or just outright money launder the money to whatever off the books account they are maintaing. Ben is guilty in some respect for NEVER having gone into this bit of history.
But, he is in good company……

Mother of veteran
Mother of veteran

That’s ok. Just let these free loaders use attorneys to get SS disability, illegals from all over the world get food and free medical but the young men and women going off to war go to wellness clinics? Who thought this one up?

Loren
Loren

Amen..

Jim nose
Jim nose

Don’t take money from the disabeled. How about fixing the system how about not wasting money
how about not giving so much to isreal. We are the police of the world. We should get a pension
as police do. Get some of those country we protect to kick in some money. Especially
those oil rich countries. Hey shulkin how are you going to make those of us that lost
limbs any better by taking our money?’ Also there is not a hearing aid store on every block.
President trump, you made a promise ti take care of us. I don’t think this guy shulkin is
looking out for our good. He’s just dong what chews do looking at the bottom line.
President trump does not let us down.

DevilDoc2017
DevilDoc2017

War is a racket! And President Trump is a banker’s wet dream. Do I smell another civil war around the corner? Or is the stench of the DC swamp getting worse?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Now how is Shulkin going to take care of BENEFICIARY’s with Wellness Programs. How is the VA going to calculate how this issue is measured, when the average BENEFICIARY, Active Duty Personnel, VSO Peeps of the VA, the common person, or a trained circus animal, going to . . .

Determine how to replace the can’t understand how-to come to the conclusion of the amounts of percentages, when the segments of the listed disabilities have a sum that is extremely hard to repeat in coming to the same amount when recounted?

I’ve tried many times to understand how the VA calculates percentages. The process is very confusing, and the common BENEFICIARY (Veteran) will not even scratch the surface in understanding how these current disability ratings are specifically calculated by way of an equation.

Shulkin is using deserved Disability Payments as a smoke screen, so that no emphasis will be focused on auditing the VA System as a whole. VA can’t even get proper performing medical supplies. VA purchases some products that should have a big spelled out word on the supply boxes; Reject.

A word that should be burned into the center of Shulkin’s forehead; Reject.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

Shulkin should put up some Police Tape around the budget issue; ‘Move on folks, there’s nothing here to see”. I might well be that they have NO plans to revamp the compensation issue, it would just bring attention and heat to where the money isn’t really going. I don’t see them killing off the Golden Goose of Money Laundering…

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

VBA. Needs new management we veterans do not need people like Diana rubins and Kimberly graves who are willing to plead the 59th when questioned about their getting over $4000 relocation money.

If they are willing not to answer to senate staff and it was on the up and up why not answer the questions.

They are the leadership, since they refused to answer about relocation money, what are they doing to veterans and their va claims.

They have shown they have something to hide and will continue. After all, all they have to say about anything when questioned is I Plead the 5th and that’s is far as it goes.

Employees at the region office said other employees laughed when they heard they had to go in front of the senate committee.

And Diana Rubins told them go ahead and laugh, we will see who has the last laugh. !

Any employee only has to say I plead the 5th and done deal, back to harming other employees or veterans and nothing will be done.

Veterans are a pawn and are no human, we are someone who is expendable and do not matter.

Thousands of veterans have been denied or given 0, 10, 20 % disability, when many of them should have received a higher rating.

What is Shulkin mean by his statement, deny even more, can’t be substained.

The whole va can not be substained the way it is being run.

Only two ways to fix it, get rid of veterans or VA employees !

Who is going to get axed, the va was made for veterans, not employees.

Start over, the government could furlow all the employees. Lease the buildings to private doctors and collect rent. Veterans given choice of any doctor of their choice.

New VBA, with new management and employees.

Veterans should not be the ones taking up the slack.

Shut down the VA save billions and then deserving veterans claims could be paid and it can then be substained !

This country has lost it’s way, they are willing to let 22 million people die because insurance companies say so and our elected officials are letting it happen.

How many wars have we fought, how many people have died for this country.

This country is being distroyed without one shot fired. Our elected officials are doing something that no other country has been able to do to the United state’s, distroy it.

For the life of me, I don’t understand what happened and why veterans by the hundreds of thousands are not marching on Washington.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

“For the life of me, I don’t understand what happened and why veterans by the hundreds of thousands are not marching on Washington….” for those no medicated out to the twilight zone there are those who the system has paid off with benefits . Nobody marches against their own interest’s.
The veterans as a group have been hijacked by the Republican party through various front groups.This started by in the Nixon Administration, and was ramped up with Trump through the Koch Bros. special interests groups… I know because I was a FORMER member of such entities.
There are no coincident’s…..

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Which one and why.? What happened or did not happen. ?

lily
lily

If it wasn’t for modern combat medicine we probably would have had 60,000 dead by now in Iraq and Afghanistan. Instead we have a huge number of disabled veterans that would have been dead. Of course it’s going to cost a lot, but lets not forget a lot more disabled WW2 and Vietnam Veterans are dying every day. So it kind of equals out in the long run financially if we stop having wars that aren’t necessary. Also, good luck changing the system when a few hundred thousand lawyers will be fighting for veterans.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Lili,
Let’s NOT forget the “dead veterans” still on the payroll where VA employees are stealing the compensation!

Cantigny
Cantigny

#cj: >>We can cry, and scream, and throw shit all day long, but until we are ready to band together, put our differences aside, and march together as one, and DEMAND JUSTICE, nothing, will ever change!!!!

and the results speak for themselves or we wouldn’t even be having this discussion, of all places on a “voc rehab site”. veterans issues with VA & especially VBA always morph back to critical point of frustration && every time VA heads, currently shulkin, speaks, we are reminded of why we veterans are so pissed off about all this.

as i’ve mentioned before, the wait list is just tip of a corrupt ice berg. behhold, shulkin finally addresses the VBA issue, and look where he takes it & no one in so called MSM picks up on it except a few veteran benefit centered sites such as this one. MSM at least picked up on the whistleblower unjust actions VA took. VA/VBA must be some gov within gov and answers to no one.

what @cj wrote has been said & written in many ways regarding these issues all around the veteran web landscape. proven history is on your side regarding your statement & sentiments.

Lily
Lily

You have any articles on this?

cj
cj

@Lily: Lily, here is a link, from the man himself, I know it is a long video, but please, watch it in it’s entirety.
If you want to skip to the theft part, it starts at around 19 minutes in.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

I would recommend that EVERYONE look at Eds video, even if you don’t buy the premise. I was in contact with Ed when he first came out with the interview, and even if he was wrong on some of the details, it’s the general premise that explains were we are at today.
No one has picked up on ED’s research, either for reasons of self interest or it’s just too much work. Ed suggested to that there death threat’s against someone involved in the original unfolding of the paper trail. It’s easy to go on a blog and go on various tangent’s, but ED and a few of the whistle blowers were in the tall grass on this. Even they didn’t get near the third rail.
Ben should interview ED, I suggested this to him some time back.

cj
cj

@John t Cokos: What amazed me most, is all the entities up and down the line, that turned a blind eye to him, even though he has clearly provided the proof. Supreme Court says fix it, the VA says piss off, the lower courts pull a Schultz’s, “I see nothing”, and not a single politician could give a shit.

You knew Ed personally? That is awesome!!! If you ever talk with Ed again, please let him know many people, both Veterans and civilians, think the world of him.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

I connected some years back when he was being interviewed by some long since gone vets radio talk show. I took a while for me to get my head around it all, but it fell into place after I did some independent research on my own.The closer I got to trying to corroborate the facts he put out, the more resistance I got. Hit a stone wall at one point. I think that Ed’s know’s a lot more than he is saying. He’s not in good health from the last interview I heard him own. I went to local Congressman in my area for some help in obtaining documents,and was pretty much shut out by the Vet’s Rep in his office. Never got any response from them. What does this say ?

cj
cj

@John t Cokos: Sorry to hear of Ed’s health, this is the game plan right? Wait for him to die, makes me so angry. I would expect nothing less than stonewalling, when trying to get answers. If you were to tell all that you know, to anyone other than Veterans that have been screwed over, people would think your off your rocker. Exactly how do you penetrate, that damn wall? And, when you do, who the hell is going to listen? Let alone do anything!!

We can cry, and scream, and throw shit all day long, but until we are ready to band together, put our differences aside, and march together as one, and DEMAND JUSTICE, nothing, will ever change!!!!

It is up to us, to exact accountability, nobody is going to do it for us. The powers that be, don’t give a shit about research, or proof, or what anyone thinks, or knows. The only time these politicians will ever get off their lying fat asses, and change the status quo, is when they see the horizon shimmering with Veterans heading their way.

IT
IS
TIME!!!!

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Cj have u been able to find anyone who is willing to help us set up a March, or who to contact.

cj
cj

@James Gallegos: James, I sent out emails asking for guidance to 7 different organizers, along with follow up emails. Not a single response from anyone, not even a piss off!

I need to go back to the article Ben posted, about the Missouri doc not being able to practice at the VA.

I recall someone posted, who obviously knew what he was talking about, all the things we would need to do, to march in Missouri. I need review some of those posts, make a list of shit to do. And I guess, try to get it done on my own. Of course for DC.

I thought maybe some kind of country wide march, so Veterans, and others, who just can’t afford, or, due to their disability, couldn’t get to DC.

At the same time, another, much larger march, on DC proper. I may not be the sharpest knife in the back, but what the hell? Gotta try, this VA BS has to end, too many Veterans lives are at stake, we cannot fail !!!

The politicians like to take us for a bunch of chumps? Time to turn the tables, time for the no accountability crowd, to bear witness, to the largest voting segment, coming straight at em, like the MOTHER OF ALL SUPPOSITORIES!!
ONE BIG INNUENDO (###################®)<—— insert this end first.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Maybe flooding Secretary Shulkin’s from veterans all over the country explaining their complaints about how they have been treated or not treated or punished by the illegal disruptive committee or any other problem they are having. !

It has been told that the pen is mighter than the sword. Every letter, inquiry must be filed and kept for so many year’s.

The letters will be the Paper trail and this should act as notice to whom ever is reading it, about certain problems that need to be addressed.

The Secretary is required to submit any action taken concerning “bad” employees, to congress, senate and committee of veterans affairs.

Every letter, inquiry must be replied to, that is part of the paper trail.

These replies can be sent to the white house or the senate committee on veterans affairs and they can not say, they did not know about a certain problem.

Where does the Buck stop, at the top. !

Veterans must cut out the middleman and go right to the top or tops.

The Senate committee must be aware that you wrote the Secretary and any evidence they have to back up the charges.

This I believe would be better than a march.?

They can not ignore any veterans claims about their care or lack of, or how they were denied their deserved disabilities or their love one committed suicide Etc.

Pulling at straws, your right this is to important to fail !

They may not believe it but veterans are real human’s, just like they are, some have forgotten freedom is not free !

Every current congressman, congress woman and senator should be required to serve at least one year in the military, unless they have already served.

That would give them a clear picture of what soilders do and what veterans have to go through, that should change a few tunes and maybe some will leave, choosing not to serve.

cj
cj

@James Gallegos: James I really like that idea as well, of flooding Shill-kin with complaints in writing. We all can start that in the morning. I am having trouble thinking of the right word to use, I will work my way around it, I no longer trust anything to do with the VA, I feel if all we do is flood Shill-kin, the entire matter will still be kept from the public. It is hard to hide a massive march, one that brings all the ugliness that is the VA to light., I know I am fighting an uphill battle, getting people to take off of work, Veterans marching that feel they might jeopardize their compensation checks, and Veterans who think the VA is fine and dandy.

I admit, I am in this way over my head, but this isn’t about me, it is about justice for all Veterans, and especially for those that gave their lives, waiting on this criminal agency for help. Ever see the Dr Suez cartoon, Horton hears a who? That is how I see all of the Veterans, they can scream all day long all together at the same time, and nobody, hears, I think it just takes that one more Veteran added to the mix for the entirety of us all to finally be heard. I don’t know if what I just said even makes any sense.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

I understand, I sensed a lot of stress in your post and thought I would throw you a life line.

I was speaking to my Wife and she agrees with you that a March is also called for. !

She has watched me before I was treated and after, life is a lot different and I can function without having to drink, I use mother nature medication.

The va has to understand that every time they deny a veteran their deserved disabilities, they are assisting in harming those veterans.

Who ever started this insanity should be in jail for life.

They have forced veterans to suffer a life time of their own jail and no get out of jail card.

Wife said just go to the internet and type in how to start a protest and we can pick and choose.

You can not put all of this on just your. shoulders, try that and it will drive u crazy.

You try and I will read what we can and post it and maybe some others will do the same.

Later gators

cj
cj

BINGO!!!!!! Along with opening accounts under fictitious names, using the claim number from denied claims, since 68′ at least!!!!

100’s of millions per month, some making its way to political campaigns. Hell no they don’t want an audit.

Lew
Lew

Lily, completely agree. Lots of serv- connected vets from previous wars are dying every day. It is a situation that offsets VA spending. It means benefits that the VA actually saves. VA doesn’t tell us that either.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Not every veteran gets 100% disability and many of those past war veterans were given a 0 % rating, some a little higher and many were denied care.

That’s why they are dying off, the va has denied claims and without an adjudicated claim, sorry Charlie, next !

Seems you think every service connected veteran are making large amounts of money !

Something smells. ! Guess were not dying off, fast enough. Are you a va employee.?

lily
lily

Is there anywhere we can find some numbers on how many vets die every year and how much the VA saves?

cj
cj

@Bill: Bill, you may have misunderstood Lily, I have never known Lily to take the VA,s side. I think what she is saying is, Shill-kin is talking about cutting benefits to save money.

Lily is saying they are saving enough money, due to the fact many older Veterans, are dying, along with younger Veterans, who die waiting for care, that the VA, is no longer paying out benefits to. And simply asked where she could find those stats at.

I don’t think she meant to offend anyone.

Later Gators -!¡¡!-

Bill
Bill

Your comments are very offensive Lily. You are sounding like the va just waiting for us to die.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

lily…I’m sure the bean counter has a list but he’s not giving it up..

namnibor
namnibor

My theory is simply this:

I believe Shulkin & Friends at the VA are throwing-out things against the wall to see what may stick in order to stave-off any massive audit of the VA. I believe Shulkin thinks if he can propose alternative, drastic cost-cutting measures, it makes the bean-counters happy, and the corrupt AFGE minion can sleep soundly knowing they will not have to sacrifice a thing to continue being a ever-getting-plumper-purple team. Notice how he firstly threw against the wall the stealing away TDIU from retirement aged Veterans? That did not stick well, SO let’s try WELLNESS CLINICS….it SOUNDS GOOD to the bean counters…check, are the AFGE piggies sleeping well? CHECK!

VA Sec. Shulkin- You DO NOTwant a Veteran revolution on your hands because you will WISH it were the zombie apocalypse instead. What’s NOT SUSTAINABLE is VA CORRUPTION YOU RAT BASTARDS!
Also, if we cease getting into these wars and properly FINISH THE JOB, we would not be having this conversation. Maybe it’s high-time for the nuclear option for the middle east? Worked a charm in WW2. Just saying.

JOHN COKOS
JOHN COKOS

WTF is a wellness program ? All you Trump bots out there who were singing the praise of the Orange Menace and Shulkin are due for a wake up call. You have NO ONE who is looking out for Veterans. ” vox populi” public opinion is always wrong at first blush…Get rid of the pre-canned Republican talking points, were are on our own.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

JOHN COKOS ….Everyone of you owe it to your families and neighbors to do everything possible to re-educate them. The alternative is to watch them die. Every politician reading this is now on notice; we will not surrender to your masters and you and they can go straight to hell. To you fools who swear by your political party, you are too stupid to contend with. They are your enemy!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

and America was never intended to be a democracy and is not one now. It’s all one big rotten lie. America is and has been a corporate owned and controlled series of incorporated service companies that eliminated our humanity and converted us into slaves. The Constitution for the united States is in a state of hibernation and THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES Inc. is slowly but surely brain draining every one of us into accepting defeat by supporting the existing charade.

namnibor
namnibor

ANOTHER IDEA!! (this is a WHOPPER and something completely different)

Mr. President: I propose a “GASOLINE VETERAN TAX OF NO LESS THAN 20% AT EVERY GAS PUMP”–this tax will be in-place until the VA’s fraud and corruption is cleaned-up and by cleaned-up, banishing the AFGE Union from VA workplace and FIRE your way to excellence. Until then, for every 6 months that go by and the above is not accomplished and Veterans are happy and SAFE, that TAX will INCREASE additional 5%.

This is not a corporate tax, this is a tax hitting every single American, rich, poor, and every business that utilizes petroleum to exist.
Why?
UNLESS, every American is hit where they will take notice from whatever the Kardashian train wreck is doing or whichever sports pro is gang banging….

I REALLY think this drastic TAXING MEASURE will tax the bean-counters and congress critters when they tire of angry villagers with pitchforks and torches following them.

I really believe we can TAX OUR WAY TO EXCELLENCE.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

You just went over the edge, ask Dennis for a bowl and calm down ! Lol

namnibor
namnibor

My proposed Veteran Gas Tax (VGT) would make the word “Veteran” be more than a stage-prop talking-point or staged holidays fireworks or air show feel-good, warm and fuzzy after-glow, or re-election erection campaign veteran stage props…no…the word “Veteran” will also be implanted on every American’s mind that until the “Beneficiaries Of Their Freedom” they enjoy in these United States are treated with the simple promise we were told and Veterans cease to kill themselves at a rate of any % a given day, that gas tax will keep climbing.
Really think hitting the wallets of all is the only way. I bet the AFGE would be driven away in no time.

namnibor
namnibor

This Veteran Gas Tax (VGT) might also drive home to Americans that these wars are indeed only about controlling the damn oil…in name of democracy, or something like that…

Also, in case OPEC helps the AFGE and VA out by lowering gas prices by oil barrels down to say $20. a barrel, well, the Veteran Gas Tax (VGT) will increase exponentially to the power of 2 to allow for potential fraud underhand corruption creep.

(Fraud Underhand Corruption Creep: (FUCC) is anywhere the VA goes they corrupt absolutely…FUCC’d is the typicaly aftermath)

namnibor
namnibor

We could also add a WAR TAX to all commodities and place ALL Americans on RATION STAMPS…we are at war, now 17 years+ and going …..what I am saying is compared to wars of the past, esp. the Great Wars, the USA citizens are NOT making *any* sacrifices that encourage the citizens to encourage our congress critters to stop making new Veterans.

namnibor
namnibor

‘[…Secretary David Shulkin, MD, said. “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being.”…]’

Shulkin is sounding JUST LIKE those ring-knockers that have posted on here in years past. The name ‘Gade’ comes to mind, a West Point instructor that believes Veteran Disability Compensation is a bad thing and he said as much as Shulkin, in that he thought it incentivizes disability…and that’s likely what he’s been teaching his newly manufactured ring-knockers and I have no doubt that’s where some of this crapola is seeping from.

Rant Out for today. Throwing more rocks. Broke the lawnmower. 🙂

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

Shulkin is brain dead. War incentives incentivizes disability by letting hunks of metal and explosives come your way. What would he suggest, hire mercenaries so you don’t have to pay them for the after effects of war…?

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

They are using them now called va employees.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

namnibor…WE are already paying a war tax, that’s where our taxation started from …read your HIS-STORY/history

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

The “4th of July Celebration” is right around the corner. How many wanna bet we veterans will be dragged out onto the streets, fields and stages around the country, to get the population teary eyed, so our plight will go unnoticed?
Here’s something else. Before “Shithead Shulkin” took over the Secretary’s job at VA, President Trump has a few other individuals in mind! Only, none of them wanted the job! Why? We surmised those individuals didn’t want it was because they knew how corrupt VA was, and didn’t want a “black mark” on their resume! (Remember that!)

I agree with namnibor over how “Shithead Shulkin” is throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks! So far, it’s getting pretty sloppy on that wall, because nothing’s sticking!

I also agree America needs to wake up to the MASSIVE corruption and illegal activities of almost every single government agency…….
30 Years ago we didn’t have these “magical electronic devices” to show us what “our government” was up to on an hourly basis! Now we can see, through the lens of utube and other medias, exactly what these reprobates are up to!
Problem is, we have to research what they say, or we are treated like the proverbial mushroom (kept in the dark & fed shit all day long)!

I believe “Shithead Shulkin” might want to reconsider his employment status. Because if he continues to throw veterans under the bus, his tenure as Secretary of VA will be short!

Lastly, stop the wars and watch America jump with joy!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

ELF right on, we get taken off the shelf on the 3rd of July, get dusted off for the 4th parade/show- hooray

Windguy
Windguy

Don’t forget those lovely magnetic fender ribbons. Gets me all flag wavy n’shit.

Lem
Lem

The secretary is right. Disability compensation needs to be re thought. See Bray v Shinseki.

A mental category I inductee isn’t as disabled from an amputation as a mental category III. A mental category III inductee isn’t as disabled (economically) from a TBI as a mental category I.

Medical approaches to treating TBI need to be upgraded to prevent suicide. A greater recognition of anosognosia and its effects on the psyche needs to be included in treatment for left frontal lobe injuries and right mid parietal lobe injuries.

Yes, a new approach needs to be taken on both treatment and compensation. We are no longer in the era of primarily manual labor where a person on the end of a shovel could make a reasonable living. The labor force of today is radically different than the labor force post WWI. Even WWII. This needs to be addressed.

And don’t worry if you are currently compensated under the old rules. You’ll be protected by the Constitutions “post de facto” rule. You’ll get the higher of the two, new and old laws.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Disability calculation methods need to be easier to understand. Reads like an Attorney decided how this would be all set up in the first place. Wait, it was a bunch of legal beagles that set this up.

There is also the possibility, that the total yearly sum of the Disability Payments are less that what they should be. Remember how many are denied for decades, and more? BENEFICIARY’s are undercompensated. There are other areas that the VA needs to get ahold on of its costs. I see a smokescreen coming down the pike. Shulkin is looking for a way that will detract the leaders at be and the public, to think that he is doing a lot to make the VA chug a lug on a bit more efficiently. Sure.

Lem
Lem

Been there and done that. SSDI since Sept of 1990. TDIU since July of 2009.

Dennis
Dennis

I am gonna tackle this one VA style!

First, let me say something that I like about any government official answering questions without reading from a script;

It brings back wonderful memories of waking up with the Sun in my shared bed with my brother on Saturday morning and romping down the hallway in jammies to turn on the Boob Tube and plop down to watch cartoons! I could just NEVER stop laughing at Mr. Magoo! Mr. Magoo, you have done it again!!! So I like remember Mr. Magoo, and that is a positive thing.

What I think can be improved upon of course is the installation of a shock collar normally used to reign in weiner dogs in a trailer park from barking. We can improve Shulkin’s behavior by installing a weiner doggy shock collar modified for neck size (but not much) onto Shulkin. The collars can be set REALLY sensitive so that even a whimper will be picked up by the onboard microphone and trigger a jolt of electricity directly to the laranyx. This can represent the will of The People and also keep his neighbors from complaining about all the barking at night. Have you ever seen a weiner dog get caught in a horrible loop of getting shocked, then yelping from the shock, the getting shocked from yelping, and repeat? I have! It wasn’t funny at all until that particular weiner dog bit me once, then I sort of tried to get it to bark…just once….so the cycle would begin. Paybacks are a bitch when the bitch bites me! My love of creatures has a price tag; No biting allowed or you ain’t my friend (unless you look really hot in black lace).

If we put one of these weiner dog barky collars on Shulkin then his urge to make noises may not go away, but the collar wouldn’t care about what he wants or doesn’t want AND the shock collar would without question reinforce accountability. The People would get to set the sensitivety on the collar. Sort of like The Constitution, right?

As for me I would likely surprise him on the street and try to get him to say something in public again….let the cycle begin bitch!

Windguy
Windguy

I was at the VA Portland Thursday. I had flashes of Saturday morning “funnies” – especially The Three Stooges. In one scene, upon hearing “thank you for your service”, I became Moe – ” – slap – punch – slap “shuddup puddin head”. In scene two, at imaging following “thank you for your service”, I was Curly doing his woo woo woo dance, slapping his own face and ending up with his growling dog. Scene three was me being Larry back at imaging again, and again, and from a different soul “thank you for your service” – instead of Moe pulling my hair out – I was doing it to myself.

Things were different when I finally went to see the Rheumy. I’ve never been treated so well by a VA doctor. In fact, she ranks a close tie with Dr. James Garrity at Mayo – Dr. Eyes. This woman took me through every facet (sorry) of my spine images and explained why it was probably that I had been mis-diagnosed with DISH (civilian, then VA docs) instead of her calling out Ankylosing Spondyfuckedup. She was frank, friendly, explorative, open to challenge and alternative. No one has ever dug this deep into my stuff. Fully understood why I couldn’t take drugs A, B, and C, and immediately went to the really spendy shit that the VA doesn’t pass out willingly. We’ll see if it works. My wife was crying at the end of the consult. “There’s hope?”

We’ll see. We’ll find out in a couple months if I can attempt to go back to work. In the day since, I have been analyzing myself – did I set my expectations so low that I was easily encouraged? No – history with give a fuck idiots who never read a file or chart belies those thoughts. This young woman was nothing but thorough.

Lesson? Pick through enough shit, and you too can find a whole kernel of edible sweet corn.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

The Old Picking Peanuts Out of a Turd Gambit . Don’t care for Peanuts(not at that price) and the latter, well leave them on the sidewalk where they belong….

Francisco Briseno
Francisco Briseno

This is weird, I agree with Secretary David Shulkin, MD, said. “Our system incentivizes disability, when our system should be incentivizing health and well-being.” I speak, or write for me and no other veteran, but I am sure there are many in my shoes. I went in to the VA because I thought I had a minor sleeping disorder (insomnia of some sort). After a battery of written tests of many kinds, and psychiatric interviews, and groups on alcohol and drug addiction, and being tested monday through friday for substance abuse; about a year and a half later after I kept refusing to put in for compensation, but was convinced by a WWII, Korean, and VietNam Wars Sergeant Major working for the VFW, I put in thinking that at least 10% will get me my sleeping pills for free, and if a miracle were to occur and I would get 30%, I would be eligible for Vocational Rehabilitation service connected. VietNam was more than two decades behind, so I knew that I had survived it. I was told that I had PTSD to an extent that I was labeled terminally ill, I guess I was supposed to commit suicide, but since I did not get the memo, or in today’s parlance “the email”, I missed that train. I had never heard of PTSD, I had heard of PTS(syndrome), but thought it was just another acronym buzzword. I get a letter stating “Congratulations”, it felt like a slap in the face in front of my family, and I could not fight back to defend my honor, integrity, and prestige. To me it confirmed that the system has me labeled as “crazy”, in their terms “mentally ill”. I could not believe that serving my country and having fellow marines die in my arms would bring such a heavy toll many years later. I hated it, I still do. The pieces of shit awarded me 100% totally and permanently, and have not had a reevaluation for twenty years. I think I pissed someones statistical probabilities about me committing suicide. I’ve looked for the memo, and I haven’t found it yet. My hope and dream was to be as proud as my hard working WWII dad and never ask for a handout, but work hard and honestly for every penny. I think that conflict is what gave me PTSD. I ordered the Voc Rehab off this website and it scares me because it is all so true, but even more so because the product fails to more fully describe the Voc Rehab system people as “pieces of lying bags of worthless shit”.
I took the letter and applied for Voc Rehab hoping to get a training to find me gainful employment, but I was denied because I was taking too much medication (psychiatric). About four years ago a VA shrink pissed me off, obviously his racist roots showed, and I weened myself off all psychiatric medication and only kept my diabetic medications because probably connected to Agent Orange. So twenty years go by and I apply again and I am told that I was totally rehabilitated in 2010 when the VA gave me a computer (with Windows 98, broke in two years, could not afford the repair because it was a dinosaur by then). I remember the contracted Voc Rehab counselor told me that I was taking too much medication and that Voc Rehab would only train me for an entry level position that would pay much less than what my compensation check was and that I would loose many of the 100% benefits such as vision, dental, and the like. I said I can be the controller of my destiny and how much money I will make, the counselor said that they would not approve and that I could appeal. Seven years go by, four years without psychiatric medication since I was functioning with out them for over 23 years, and the Voc Rehab counselor still said that they would deny and not overturn the total rehabilitation back in 2010 when the VA gave me a computer. The main reason was that I was taking too much medication, I said that I was diabetic, and without the medication I would certainly die after some serious complications like amputations and blindness. The counselor then gave me copies to go register with the Unemployment Office and State Office of Rehabilitation. When first diagnosed I was told that my symptoms were from drug and or alcohol abuse. I’ve never taken non prescription drugs and had not touched alcohol since May 1, 1976, but at least I thought that there was a cure for whatever my sleep disorder was, so I went to the meetings for months, but the symptoms did not go away, and every single blood and urine test came back negative for drugs or alcohol. How I wish I was a drug or alcohol addict because that can be cured and managed from relapse, but not PTSD. Prior to the VA, I was a functional PTSD Zombie, after the VA prescriptions, I became a dysfunctional PTSD Zombie. I am back to a functional PTSD Zombie with an understanding of why, but I guess I am more valuable if the system incentivizes my disability to qualify their existence for their paycheck just to show up. Am I just a guinea-pig? Maybe I can be Secretary David Shulkin poster child (or veteran) by helping me help myself by what Secretary David Shulkin, said that our system should be incentivizing health and well-being; hopefully with some voc rehab. It’s hard to compete for a job when you haven’t worked for over 27 years, and was a dysfunctional Zombie for 16 of them. I still don’t drink or drug and my nightmares, intrusive thoughts, flashbacks, scars, aches and pains are like old friends that I can count on because now I know them and the why, as opposed to my government that I thought I knew. The sad part is that many of my brothers, and not just friends that are on the Wall died thinking that they were doing a noble cause to protect American citizens and not just corporate profits and other hidden agendas. They believed that if they survived that they would come back as heroes and that our government, not our country, would take care of us if need be; similar to what Abe Lincoln said about the widows, orphans, and those that bore the battle. I still believe in my country and its citizens, but not in the government because they are not here to help. Now I gotta get back to my Voc Rehab Appeal.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Interesting story. It has a 1984 flavor to it. My only anaylisis is to TAKE THE MONEY AND RUN, and NEVER look back. If your fucked either way you look at at, why not get paid for the experience? You over thought the whole thing, now your paying the price.
My personal experience with the VA (the money side) is IF you see a window of financial opportunity, break it open and crawl thru……Just me venting of course.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Paragraph anyone?

Lem
Lem

I agree. I would rather have been treated and rehabbed properly than given 100%. I’m now 75 and one year on seizure medication that I should have been taking for 48 years instead of several different anti-depressants. I’m more employable now than I was at 30.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Work is highly overrated. Sleeping in late and watching your neighbors scramble is it’s own reward. It’s a Zero Sum Game…..

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Daughter of Mossad Chief: I Refuse to Enlist in the Israeli Military.. 6MIN.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmCcTSyowhY”

Windguy
Windguy

Won’t see that on Fox, or Breitbart, or ABC or NBC or ….

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

The Plan — according to U.S. General Wesley Clark (Ret.) 2min.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXS3vW47mOE”………he said this in 2007

Windguy
Windguy

Link failed, but I’ve seen it. Wes was on the BoD of a couple of small wind tech companies. My first encounter with him was a report I did on a wind turbine crash – I fingered the construction manager for operating under unsafe conditions, and the OEM for inadequate safety systems. Turns out Wes Jr. was the construction manager on-site. Then senior hired me to go beat on the OEM in Holland. Interesting fellow, and in private, he did make mention of the grand plan. He seemed somewhat embarrassed that it took him so long to figure it out. Dude drinks sweet Rieslings as a cocktail – with ice. Yechhh.

John t Cokos
John t Cokos

Windguy: any final accountability that I can read ? I haven’t seen any numbers. How do you spend that much money on a cluster-fuck that didn’t achive any goal? Looks like the usual roll out the veterans and beg for money. What is likely to happen with this is that Clark and Co. will resurface with a politically correct cause to run for political office (Flint Michigan water crisis) and the veterans ? Oh those guys….yeah I remember them. What ever did happen to those guys anyway ?

Windguy
Windguy

Jr. didn’t walk away with a dime. Tents, food, water, porta-loos – you name it. Jr. isn’t wired that way. The old man makes his dough on the speaking circuit (very little these days) and on Boards of tech start ups. He isn’t getting fat either. He could have done much better joining the military industrial train – and didn’t. That’s my opinion from my limited direct contact. I did exchange mails with Wes II when he was doing the Dakota thing. There are no saints.

JOHN T COKOS
JOHN T COKOS

Clark Jr. and a fellow named Woods were raking in the Money, over $1 Million in Go Fund Me cash with the Veterans at the Dakota Access Pipeline protest. The Vet’s are gone, and so is the Money that they raised. Haven’t heard from them on the final accounting of the funds. The Clark’s know how to ride the Gravy Train when it pases thru town.

Udidn'treallySERVE
Udidn'treallySERVE

he speaks of wellness programs….I’m sure the Vet dying from Mesothelioma or a disease associated from exposure with Agent Orange….will just jump for joy!!!!! and Vets who have become amputees will clap or some will stomp their feet ……this jackass makes disability sound as if its something everyone covets…

Vet Who Thinks the System Needs an Overhaul
Vet Who Thinks the System Needs an Overhaul

not to sound Un-American–and yes, i am a veteran with PTSD; but i know many vets who have placed getting well on the back-burner because the disability check is too good. For some, disability is indeed an incentive to not get well. I know people who put off surgeries (that otherwise would make them get well sooner) because they don’t want their rating decreased. I know people who pick-out hard to prove disabilities, or crap that they know they don’t qualify for (clogging up the system), because they’re trying to get pushed to 100%. It’s all about the money for some. lets not act like this doesn’t happen. I’ve questioned the integrity of some of my fellow vets who have done this, and the response was the same. They blame VA for writing the regs the way that they did; and if that reg happens to give a vet a loophole to get benefits, then they all have said it’s foolish to not take advantage of the free money.

james gallegos
james gallegos

How about a veteran that was shot in the head, applies for disability and the VA deny, deny, deny claim, stating his official military records were destroyed in a fire that happened in May 1973 and the veteran discharged in Oct 1973.

What did they do, save an amber just for my records. Me suffering from PTSD and a Traumatic Brain Injury that I did not know I had. Drinking to self medicate, going to jail, divorced twice, trying to kill myself !

And after forty years hire an attorney and BOOM, ALL of a sudden my official Military records were pulled off the Shelf. I am 100% now, permeant and total and unemployable.

Finely treated, Drug after drug, running into walls, until they found the right dose and I have not touched a drop since. So you are saying that since I am not drinking now, I should not be rated at 100 %.

I worked for the VA for 25 years as an administrative assistant, until they pushed the wrong button and my PTSD flared up so bad, I had to take a medical retirement.

Many veterans fight years for their deserved disability and as soon as they get it, the VA starts the process of taking it away and thousands of veterans have committed suicide because the VA used this tactic !

You got yours, so screw everyone else, you should be the only one getting disability. My TBI is so old their is no help, hell they can not rule out Brain cancer, did they send me to Oncology NOPE, we will just watch to see what happens !

Thanks for your service ! NOW GO AWAY !

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

The VA is to be used by wounded Vets only for their ‘combat’ related injuries, not the follow-on crap that is seen today and fraudulently promoted by fake VSO’s. How many Vets abuse the system and are claiming up to 100% disability when they were never wounded in combat? Oh, I have sleep Apnea because of being in the military; Oh, I have PTSD because I was in the military; Oh, I have a ingrown hair up my ass because I was in the military, etc etc etc) Reorg the VA and shut down the VSO’s. Help POTUS Trump drain the swamp of the VA, VSO’s and FAKE Vets.

Posted by a Combat Corpsman

james gallegos
james gallegos

Combat Veteran, do you not know that we have service members all over the world ! How about training accidents, how about solders stabbed or shot or their vehicle rolls over and not in a combat zone.

How about all the support people getting hurt.

You do not have to be in a combat zone to get injured, sometimes worse that in combat

cj
cj

@Michael Warren: Did you hit your head on the way in? Your a damn idiot, and don’t know shit about what the VA is for, it certainly is not for YOUR personal description of what you THINK it should be for, Go suck a fucking egg,

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

We have heard this before, one has to understand that active military personnel get hurt in training or accidents and harmed by person’s who do not like American soilders.

Our military is all over the 🌎 and do get harmed. The va has income limits before veterans have to pay, if not service connected.

This person does not understand that hundreds of thousands of veterans have been denied their deserved disabilities.

Yes, this person is a disgruntled va employee, maybe ready to be axed and wants to get one more 👊 in before getting their pink slip.

We, have seen over and over va employees on government time, posting on this site.

What goes around comes around eventually. !

Raptor Eagle
Raptor Eagle

You are 100% correct Doc. There are too many ex-military leeches out here that abuse the system and ride the VA as their own personal “Gravy Train”. In my organization we have been able to expose 100’s of these frauds – some have gone to prison for their actions in defrauding the VA over non existing conditions and even conditions that are completely non-military and/or combat related. We have found that most of this scum were worthless prior to Military service and never changed; just got worse. We are also exposing the VA personnel for what they are as well. I’ll be in touch. Our organization could use your talents. Keep shaking up the Hornets Nest. Semper Fi, Doc.

cj
cj

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve: From what Raptor Eagle is saying, he must be a scum VAOIG.
The same scum that turns a blind eye to Veterans being murdered at the hands of directors who credential unqualified surgeons to perform simple surgeries that end up killing Veterans, and he calls ex-military leeches?? Blames the Veteran, and not the VAOIG, or the directors for using the VA as their very own gravy train.

Hey Raptor Eagle, you Veteran hating piece of shit:

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I got your ex-military leeches right here!!!! Stick your ‘ORGANIZATION UP YOUR ASS!!!!

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

This guy caught 100’s of veterans scamming the system, he should post everyone of them and show the proof of each.

How many va employees did he catch, we know that only a hand full of va employees have been held accountable

Is it that they only want to go after veterans and not federal employees.

What organization. ?

Show us the proof, if not then this person is blowing smoke.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

James Gallegos….I guess with a name like Raptor Eagle we were supposed to fear this asswipe..He talks about the ex-military leeches, He needs to look at the higher ups where they steal the big money…he talks about a hundred’s of vet’s out of 21 million…that’s peanuts versus the higher up pistachios…LOL ….AND RAPTOR EAGLE GO FUCK YOURSELF…..and I’ll give you my address if you want it

Mike
Mike

These fake Vets that I’m referring to waste over $10B/yr. when real Vets with real injuries are pushed aside. You and especially others on this post are protesting why too much which is the first “give away”.

Most people who make false and embellished claims of military service go to great lengths in order to support their claims. We often see false documents, altered pictures, claims that could never be true, sock puppets, legal threats, and so much more being used by posers to defend their lies.

Some of the most bold posers use bravado to fend off anyone who dare question their service. They will use all forms of deception to justify their lies. We have had several cases in the recent past that stand out. One man had started his own FaceBook veteran group and was invited to help Admin many more veteran groups. He used the fact that many people who are known within veteran communities were on his friends list to establish his credibility. He had been doing it for many years. His blunder was to try and join a private group that investigates Stolen Valor. They take their lies too far, they always seem to go too far.

cj
cj

HEY DING BAT, I have yet to see a single post, from anyone, stating, let alone embellishing, their military service. There are not only Veterans here, but also VA employees, and friends and families of Veterans/wronged Veterans, along with spouses of Veterans that have died at the hands of the VA, along with Lawyers, scholars, and anyone else who is interested in disabled Veterans issues.

When anyone comes to this site, and starts calling the members, AND I FUCKING QUOTE “ex-military leeches” here to “scam the system” you can expect to get fallout, and, it is well deserved fallout at that. If you are not here to contribute, or chime in on crimes against Veterans, then what the fuck are you here for?
You can get away with just about any comment, or position you take here, as we often do. Nobody, however, is going to take what was said lying down. Honestly, I would like to hear your answer. As big of an asshole I have been known to be, I am being pretty calm here, and you damn well know it.

You can either, issue an apology for smearing Veterans.
Keep up with your position and dishonor yourself.
Take a flying fuck on a rolling donut.
Or, just simply stick your head back up your ass, shake your head around, and pull out a fish.
You can always just leave as well.

Personally? Your not worth the effort it took, for my twisted fingers, to type this shit in the first place.
Fuck, I need my head examined!!!! Just shoot me.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

You and especially others on this post are protesting why too much which is the first “give away”.WELL I HAVE TO TELL YOU YOUR CRYSTAL BALL IS BROKE SO GET THE FUCK TO WALLMART AND GET ANOTHER ONE ASSWIPE…YOU MUST WORK FOR THE VA PUBLIC RELATIONS DEPT…ALL FLUFF AND NO TRUTH

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

And Oh by the way, go fuck yourself..you couldn’t get shit on me because theres nothing to get

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I get 408 dollars a month for a kidney so tell me, I’m ripping who off…….High blood pressure I get pills but it’s not on my problem list, because they might have to pay another 10% now tell me I’m ripping them off….Sounds like your dealing with some con artists YEA, but your getting low on the totem pole …and ten billion sounds like your saying everyone is scamming…..Fact’s on paper from a doctor, The vet doesn’t wright the shit up

Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P. Gildersleeve

Hey, Marine, What is the name of your organization, who are its principals and by whom are/is they/it funded?

Rick Lipary
Rick Lipary

Michael Warren: You talk like man with a paper ASS! Read the V.A. regulations! They CLEARLY state “Conditions caused or EXACERBATED by military service!” In march of 1971, when that rocket went off 20 yards from me, (I was in the mess hall, and it landed in the motor pool in the exact spot I had been standing in five minutes prior) I was only 19 years old, and the sound was so unexpected and loud, that I was left with hearing damage and noise aversion for LIFE! One of six rocket attacks! Are you so stupid and hateful to the wrong people, that you don’t even understand that rocket attacks, (temporarily setting aside the dozen times I was subjected to small arms ground fire as a doorgunner) noise aversion, and PTSS ARE war wounds!? Imagine for a moment that I am trying to give somebody an insulin shot, and I hear a sudden noise! BAM! That syringe is buried all the way in their vein, and I have hurt them! Even the crack of plastic from an expanding water bottle or the phone ringing shocks me! I am not accusing you of being a fake, but you SOUND like somebody who has very little or NO combat experience, and even LESS mercy and compassion!!

cj
cj

@Rick Lapary: Rick, my father would use that on us all the time, “Confusious say “You talk like man with paper asshole””

Thank you for reminding me of him.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Michael Warren – – – I was in a Combat Zone where I was stationed, and I wasn’t in combat against a foreign enemy, but an homeland enemy. Do you remember how many criminals were told by Judges, that they can do time or go into the Army or Navy? This happened in the 70’s.

I was discharged before I took one of these creeps out for the things he was doing to others, and threatening their life. Bingo, snipe time. Boy your jumping all over with firing back at comments.

Oh and by the way, I have an Honorable Discharge. And, that doesn’t make me better than others with papers that are less. Many of us got screwed over by our own kind. Many should get benefits but their DD214 lists them as less than Honorable.

And, lets not forgot how they also changed the Separation Codes on the DD214. Most of us didn’t even know what the Separation Code was for in the first place. The code in this block of your DD214 could’ve hindered a Vet from being employed.

Change Topic- A person doesn’t need to be only threatened in a Combat Zone to be diagnosed with PTSD. Many factors are involved with the someone being diagnosed with such, wouldn’t you say there less than Doc?

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

What is that you don’t understand about “Combat Related”? We you, or were you not, in a Combat Zone? What is it that you are so confused over? DUH!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Rick Lipary – – – You must be no good too according to @Michael Warren.

Hey Mike, I can sit back, then watch ass others tear into you to produce another alimentary canal port hole. Peace Bitch.

Windguy
Windguy

Lay off the Kool aide brother. Trump is a swamp creature. He’s just from a different swamp. And he’s building new ones.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Windguy – – – I just notice the name title “WarMike.” LMFAO, big time.

figure8fan
figure8fan

where did warMike go?
He must of had a very important factual??? story to put on the “Before It’s News” site of Facebook page.
That is the site on his gravitaor page
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Windguy
Windguy

Warmike: I get the Jekyll Island ca 1913 issue. Then there’s Prescott Bush and his foul seeds – and all the hell that hath been wrought since. However, there is no way that you or anyone will ever, ever convince me that Trump is the guy who can go up against the NWO heel clickers. We’ve succumbed to the expectations that our presidents are minions of a higher order. But this guy has so much baggage, and is so incoherent, and lies so frequently, and has built a base of support based on selling fear and empty promises. If he was raised by Geppetto, he could sit in the oval office and stick his nose up Putin’s ass in the Kremlin. He may very well be getting subverted by Mueller – who I wouldn’t trust as far as I could throw an aircraft carrier. But I cannot think of anyone more deserving than Four Deferments Donnie. Would you seriously let your kid follow that guy into battle?

Marine: Certainly no better than Omamma. Baarky drank the Kool Aid about two weeks before he won the election in 08 – right around the time he got his first intelligence briefing where he likely saw the unedited Zapruder films, got an earful of 9/11 and thermite 101, and was informed how lucrative cooperation could be – “just look at Clinton”…. Go back and find early speechafying, well practiced orator Obama versus December 08 policy drone status quo zombie Obama. Mortarforker took Bush’s (Hank fucking Paulson’s) bankster give away, ate it up, and puked it out whole. Quantitative Easing my ass.

aaahh shit – back to therapy.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Michael Warren – – – You’re a piss poor profiler. Been a solid conservative since being politically active. Again, big stretch with the Knowledge and Truth. People like me would rid our Country of fucking ass wipes like yourself. Because someone says something about an issue, doesn’t make them a whiner. WTF is wrong with you?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

And who actually gave Nixon orders to remove the US off of the Gold Standard? (Oh yes, reference please).

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Like I said – your education is showing, or lack thereof. Pretty pathetic, Troll.

figure8fan
figure8fan

Michael Warren,
What is “Before it’s news”???
It is:
Before It’s News is a citizens journalism website where stories are provided by individuals without credentials. Stories can range from moderately credible to tin-foil hat conspiracies. It seems this source has become a haven for conspiracy theorists and pseudo-scientists. Further, the website is riddled with pop-up ads and potential malware that make it impossible and unsafe to navigate. This source has been classified as Fake News by Fake News Watch and Politifact.
Source:
“https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/before-its-news/”
why is this in your gravitar page? I think we all know why.
“https://en.gravatar.com/mdwarren67”
f8f

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Michael Warren – – – You keep on blowing hot air. Bush family murders Kennedy. Another big fucking stretch. You may want to watch out. Alveoloplasties might be necessary for speech clarity. Take care homie.

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Knowledge and Truth are two biggies that you missed out on. Go back and support your Clintons and troll their sites. WHA!!! WHA!!! People like you are the problem with this country.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Hey son, what the fuck are you talking about? Our Republic as a safe Nation was financially destroyed when POTUS Tricky Dicky took our Country off of the Gold Standard.

Presidents appointed? To many conspiracy theorists. Corpsman, are you one of them?

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Your education is showing. The Republic was finally destroyed in 1913 with the founding of Centralized Banking and the Federal Reserve System. Nixon was following orders and the elimination of the Gold Standard was part of the “Plan”. Nixon didn’t want to end up like Kennedy who backed the Gold Standard and went against the Elitist Establishment of that time and was murdered by the Bush Cabal.

Michael Warren
Michael Warren

Where the hell have you been, boy. The Republic was destroyed over 100 years ago and all the presidents are appointed.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Windguy …..Congressman Chaffetz Says Trump Is No Better Than Obama! …..look that one up on u tube

Lem
Lem

You don’t know much about workman’s compensation do you Michael? That sailor or supply clerk that was injured getting ammunition to the troupes you slapped battle dressings on don’t deserve compensation because they didn’t play safety first because of the urgency?

Also a combat corpsman. But obviously from an earlier war. Times have changed in the “voluntary” military. And so have the benefits. We were paid considerably less and considered on duty 24/7/365.

Speak for your time, not mine. What I earned and was promised is what I have a right to. And so with the sailors and marines I cared for.

Dennis
Dennis

@MW

The issue at hand is not the motives of veterans at all, however Shulkin has framed it thusly. This is why I do not trust he had engaged his brain much when making this off-hand comment. Our system of legal prudance can indeed present as an argument the idea of “motive” in a constitutionally sanctioned government decision made for The People by a hand selected group of citizens known as “a jury”.

What he screwed the pooch over in this matter is by assuming authority by speaking as a federal official about changing policies based on a notion that assigns motives that cause a man to seek compensation or RATHER the notion that if policies are changed then the “current” motives for people who seek compensation will no longer be strong enough for them to do so.

So let me ask you, what is it right now that motivates a man to face a YEARS long process by applying at a BEHEMOTH and notoriously corrupt VA, with ABSOLUTELY no reliable and consistent source of public information about just how the hell to go about doing it that motivates a man to do this? In my experience it is because you are at the end of your rope and the “motive” is survival.

In short – I don’t like Shulkin sitting in judgement of my turns around the Sun because that is not his role in our government. That is why a jury is selected from citizens and NOT government.

namnibor
namnibor

You are onto something. With Shulkin’s reasoning and thinking, then any Veteran on disability MUST have actually entered the military HOPING to have gross bodily/mental damages…all to further the democratic process if peace, even if it means coming back in pieces or not at all.

They are truly dumb fucks at the VA.

Bill
Bill

Warren your full of shit

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Micheal Warren – – – Get your point, but you’re stretching it to the max.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

But, with your attitude, other BENEFICIARY’s (Veterans) have no right in declaring PTSD even if they tested positive for such. Stay warm in understanding others in their fight to be justly compensated. MW, for your reference, review the Psychiatric Medical Dictionary on how one can get PTSD, and they’ve never left US soil to be transferred anywhere close to a war torn battlefield. As a Corpsman, you should know this condition very well, and that NOT everyone gets this condition in the same way.

Crabtreekl
Crabtreekl

How are these “Wellness Programs” going to pay my bills? I’m not able to work. I’ve done every treatment plan VA has recommended for my PTSD and other related injuries. I also draw SSDI because of PTSD. Now there’s the chance they could pull my unemployability because I draw SSDI which I worked for? I would be in bankruptcy. My rating is permanent and I have become dependent upon it for living. I guess this “Wellness Program” will really help when I’m homeless.