Lawmakers Demand DOD Admit Full Impact Of Human Experiments

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Human Experimentation

In the 1960s and 1970s, the Pentagon conducted secret human experiments on military personnel using chemical and biological weapons.

Some 6,000 soldiers were experimented on in such programs known as Project 112 and SHAD (Shipboard Hazard and Defense) between 1962 and 1974. The tests included the use of Sarin and Vx gas as well as E. Coli. to supposedly to evaluate ship and troop weaknesses to develop response plans.

Demanding Answers For Human Experiments

Congress and veterans groups are now demanding to know what happened – and who suffered – from the human experiments.

“It’s been over 50 years since these tests were conducted and the DOD has yet to provide a complete accounting of what truly happened to our service members,” Rep. Mike Thompson, D-CA, said. “Veterans can’t wait any longer.”

Veterans say they need answers to get the proper medical care.

“This amendment would help veterans exposed to chemical and biological agents get the access to care and benefits they’ve earned through their service,” said John J. Gennace, assistant director of the American Legion’s national legislative division.

Background On What Was Admitted Already

According to McClatchyDC:

Information about the tests first surfaced in 2000. At the request of the Department of Veterans Affairs, the Pentagon released some limited data about the nature of the tests, including the locations and the agents used. Since then, the VA has sponsored studies by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine in 2007 and 2016 to look at the tests’ effects.

While they found no significant difference in the health of veterans involved in the tests and those who were not, the authors acknowledged the difficulty of studying this issue.

“Our task was challenging because of the passage of time since the tests, and because many of the documents related to the tests remain classified,” last year’s report said. “Our requests for declassification of additional documents were not approved.”

The Pentagon did not immediately respond to request for comment and neither did the VA spokesperson.

Was It A Crime?

Now, last I checked, secret experiments on humans was considered a war crime or a crime against humanity where some Nazis are still evading accountability.

So, how is it DOD, right under our noses, is allowed to keep secret the effects of the unlawful human experiments and the identities of those affected? Should those who ordered the experiments be prosecuted for their crimes?

War crime? Crime against humanity? Just a crime?

Source: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/mcclatchys-america/article160998169.html

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Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

A little background on why this is becoming an issue at this time.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Morrison & Foerster Files Suit Against CIA, DoD, and U.S. Army on Behalf of Troops Exposed to Testing of Chemical and Biological Weapons at Edgewood Arsenal and Other Top-Secret Sites
PRESS CONFERENCE: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10 a.m. PST
“http://edgewoodtestvets.org/press-releases/pdfs/20090107-Morrison-Files-Suit.pdf”

Vietnam Veterans of America, et al. v. CIA, et al.

Defendants include the CIA, the Department of the Army, the Department of Defense (“DoD”), and various government officials responsible for these agencies. The CIA secretly provided financing, personnel, and direction for the experiments, which were mainly conducted or contracted by the Army.
Plaintiffs seek declaratory and injunctive relief only – no monetary damages – and Plaintiffs seek redress for 25 years of diabolical experiments followed by over 30 years of neglect

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Morrison & Foerster Secures Victory for Troops Exposed to Chemical and Biological Weapons Testing in Case Against the U.S. Government
“http://edgewoodtestvets.org/press-releases/pdfs/20100120-Morrison-Secures-Victory.pdf”

SAN FRANCISCO (January 20, 2010) – Morrison & Foerster yesterday won the right to proceed with a case against the CIA, the Department of Defense, and the U.S. Army, filed on behalf of veterans rights organizations Vietnam Veterans of America and Swords to Plowshares, along with six veterans with multiple diseases and ailments, tied to a secret testing program in which U.S. military personnel were deliberately exposed to chemical and biological weapons and other toxins without informed consent. Plaintiffs seek declaratory and injunctive relief that would free them from their secrecy oaths and grant them healthcare that they were promised.

The human experimentation program launched in the early 1950s and continued through at least 1976 when it was suspended in response to hearings conducted by Congress. Thousands of experiments took place at the Edgewood Arsenal and Fort Detrick, as well as several universities and hospitals across America contracted by the Defendants. “Volunteers” were exposed to thousands of toxins under code names such as MKULTRA, including drugs such as LSD, mescaline, and cannabis; biological substances such as plague and anthrax; and noxious gases such as sarin, tabun, and nerve gases.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Veterans File for Class Certification in Chemical, Biological Weapons Testing Case
San Francisco, Calif. 2/9/12
“http://edgewoodtestvets.org/press-releases/pdfs/20120209-Veterans-File-For-Class-Certification.pdf”

The research programs at issue, concentrated at the Army’s facilities at the Edgewood Arsenal and Fort Detrick, Maryland, allegedly tested more than 400 different chemical and biological substances during five decades in locations throughout the U.S. and abroad, and involved an estimated 100,000 active duty military personnel. The substances tested ranged from drugs or chemicals such as LSD, mescaline, BZ, amphetamines, mustard gas, sarin, CS (riot control agent), and a THC analog called “red oil,” to biological substances such as anthrax, botulism, plague, tularemia, Q fever, as well as crop destruction agents such as dioxin, used in Agent Orange. Plaintiffs allege that none of the “volunteers” for the program provided informed consent, that some experiments were conducted on unwitting participants, and that the testing program involved multiple violations of the Nuremberg Law.

Discovery and investigation in the case have shown that the Department of Veterans Affairs actively participated in the human research program, using veterans as test subjects. Yet plaintiffs contend, that same DVA is tasked with deciding veterans’ disability claims. DVA outreach reports show that it has denied between 97% and 99% of all disability or death claims arising out of the exposures. Plaintiffs claim that the DVA is biased against granting claims due to its self-interest in the issues. The claims process has also been complicated by Department of Defense claims that it cannot find records to substantiate most of the veterans’ participation in the tests, causing DVA to summarily deny those claims.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Morrison & Foerster Secures Injunction to Compel Army to Disclose Details and Health Effects of Chemical Experiments to Veterans
SAN FRANCISCO (November 20, 2013)
“http://edgewoodtestvets.org/press-releases/pdfs/20131120-Edgewood-Press-Release.pdf”

U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken granted summary judgment that the Army has “an ongoing duty to warn members of the class about newly acquired information that may affect their well-being now and in the future as it becomes available,” and enjoined the Army to inform veterans about the nature, duration and possible health effects of the biological or chemical experiments. The Army is required to provide the court with a plan for notifying veterans about the experiments within 90 days. The court also found that Army Regulation 70-25 “entitles Plaintiffs to medical care for any disabilities, injuries or illnesses suffered as a result of participation in the experimentation program.” The court declined to enjoin the Army to provide such care under its own regulation, however, “because the [Department of Veterans Affairs] is required to do so.”

The research programs at issue, many of which were concentrated at the Army’s facilities at the Edgewood Arsenal and Fort Detrick, Maryland, allegedly tested more than 400 different chemical and biological substances during a period spanning five decades, and involved tens of thousands of active duty military personnel. The substances tested ranged from drugs or chemicals (sarin, LSD, BZ, mustard gas and a THC analog called “red oil”) to biological weapon agents such as tularemia and Q-Fever.

Studies have shown that the so-called “testvets” experience post-traumatic stress disorder, and a variety of other diseases or ailments associated with the test substances

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Morrison & Foerster Wins Ninth Circuit Victory for Class of Veterans That Participated in the Army’s Decades-Long Chemical Testing Program
Appeals court panel confirms U.S. Army’s duty to inform affected veterans about their health and to treat them; MoFo has represented vets pro bono since case was filed in 2009
SAN FRANCISCO (July 1, 2015)
“http://edgewoodtestvets.org/press-releases/pdfs/20150701-MoFo-Wins-Ninth-Circuit-Victory-For-Veterans.pdf”

The district court’s 2013 ruling concluded that the Army was obligated to treat veterans involved in the tests, but that an injunction was unnecessary in light of veterans’ access to medical care from the VA. The appellate panel vacated this portion of the lower court’s decision, writing, “we cannot agree that the Army’s duty to provide care is excused by the availability of medical care from another government agency, even if that care that would overlap to some degree and in some manner with the care that the Army is required to provide.” The panel instructed the district court to formulate an appropriate injunction on remand.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

MORRISON & FOERSTER WINS ANOTHER NINTH CIRCUIT VICTORY FOR CLASS OF VETERANS THAT PARTICIPATED IN ARMY’S DECADES-LONG CHEMICAL TESTING PROGRAM
Appeals court panel denies government’s petition for rehearing
SAN FRANCISCO (January 27, 2016)
“http://edgewoodtestvets.org/press-releases/pdfs/20160202-MoFo-Wins-Another-Ninth-Circuit-Victory-For-Veterans.pdf”

In 2013, U.S. Senior District Judge Claudia Wilken concluded that the Army was obligated to treat veterans involved in the tests, but that an injunction was unnecessary in light of veterans’ access to medical care from the VA. The appellate panel vacated this portion of the lower court’s decision, writing, “we cannot agree that the Army’s duty to provide care is excused by the availability of medical care from another government agency, even if that care that would overlap to some degree and in some manner with the care that the Army is required to provide.” The panel instructed the district court to formulate an appropriate injunction on remand.

For more information about this case, see “http://www.edgewoodtestvets.org”.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Unfortunately the Newly appointed Deputy of the Veterans Administration Thomas Bowman has been involved with the cover up since the 1960s.

DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE REVIEW OF ALLEGATIONS
CONCERNING “OPERATION TAILWIND”
JULY 21, 1998
“http://www.dod.gov/pubs/tailwind.html”

M2 PRESSWIRE-23 July 1998-U.S. DOD: DoD news briefing (C)1994-98 M2 COMMUNICATIONS LTD

* Operation TAILWIND

Colonel Tom Bowman, U.S. Marine Corps Reserve, also a Judge Advocate General

Excerpt from briefing text:

Colonel Bowman: When you have the opportunity to review in the reading room the volumes that relate to the service reports you will obviously come across the Joint Staff report. In that report there are certain documents that have redactions. We’re not aware of any repository of documents as it relates to TAILWIND that exists elsewhere that are subject to a FOIA request, not yet having been acted on.

So as far as we know, what we have in our basic report plus the services’ reports in their tabs is the history of TAILWIND as we have it in documented form.

Q: Can you give the reasons behind some of the redactions in the documents in the reading room?

Colonel Bowman: As it relates to certain of the redactions, I think the question will have to be addressed to the Central Intelligence Agency. They in turn can deal with the whole issue as to why something may or may not have been redacted. We can’t comment on it.

Q: Can we get your full name, Colonel?

Colonel Bowman: Colonel Thomas G. Bowman, B-O-W-M-A-N.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Then while this case was being researched before the filing in 2009 Thomas Bowman was taking marching orders from the CIA on information releases connected to the case.

“Case4:09-cv-00037-CW Document405-6 Filed04/06/12”
“http://edgewoodtestvets.org/court-filed-documents/pdfs/20120406-405-Patterson-Dec-ISO-MTC-6-Ex-F.pdf”

7/25/2008 Thomas G. Bowman received email from Ken Greenberg subject: Discussion regarding how to respond to FOIA request for MKULTRA data

7/25/2008 Thomas G. Bowman received email from Craig B. Luigart subject: discussion re how to respond to FOIA request from Veterans for Common Sense

7/25/2008 Thomas G. Bowman received email from Ken Greenberg subject: discussion re how to respond to FOIA request from Veterans for Common Sense and VA/CIA correspondence related thereto

7/24/2008 Thomas G. Bowman received email from Timothy Graham subject: discussion regarding how to respond to FOIA request from MKULTRA, Bluebird and Artichoke records

7/24/2008 Thomas G. Bowman received email from Timothy Graham subject: discussion regarding how to respond to FOIA request from MKULTRA, Bluebird and Artichoke studies conducted by CIA

7/24/2008 Thomas G. Bowman received email from Craig B. Luigart subject: discussion regarding how to respond to FOIA request from MKULTRA, Bluebird and Artichoke studies conducted by CIA

namnibor
namnibor

I would err on caution and extend those years into the early 80’s and add HIV and all the hepatitis variants as well. The USAF gave me a boatload of shit when I went under for an appendectomy and it was the Red Cross Blood Drive on base 6 months after operation and being deathly sick all 30 days of conv. leave, and strangely, the USAF never found a thing….until the Red Cross Blood Drive said…WAIT A MINUTE…and sent me certified/registered letter on-base of what was detected in my blood and that it was likely from my blood transfusion from operation.
No coincidences. Also, the VA did not even contest my claim…it was almost like they were waiting all those years for the viruses to do their work on me and to call home.

Fucking Rat Bastards! Every day is a hellion of a health day. Thanks, Uncle Slam.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I do agree with you and would extend it into the present. As in the research is still being done.

When I was 14 and in the foster care system after I caused an event. A large group of suits flew in on two tandem rotor Helicopters to interview me and study the event. They offered to emancipate me if I would volunteer for a research program. Several of the institutes I was required to attend as part of the research are still open and from their websites are still using human subjects in their research.

So I am sure it is still ongoing.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

That was back in the early 70s.

Terrance Peterson
Terrance Peterson

Of course, The Feres Doctrine!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

The Feres Doctrine which made it cheaper to use Military person than it is to use Guinea pigs.

namnibor
namnibor

Here’s an outlay from legal perspective of The Feres Doctrine: It basically states we Veterans have less rights than regular citizens that WE Served to Protect. Rat Bastards!

“http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Feres+Doctrine”

Lem
Lem

My SF-95 Tort claim is good under the “Brown” ruling as stated in your reference, Nam. As are most malpractice by the VA. In addition a veteran does not have to demonstrate “fault” or “negligence” under 38 CFR 3.154.

With fault or deception that I have given the VA can be pushed into a 3.154 settlement.

And I believe the “deception” quote can be used to break the Feres Doctrine for those who did not volunteer in writing to be human subjects. That also applies, I believe, to VA medical research.

Those are the issues in my SF-95 tort claim against the VA and the Navy. We’ll see. So far the General Counsel at the VA hasn’t brought up the Feres Doctrine.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I’ve got a sneaky suspicion, there’s only one reason the “9th circuit” capitulated to this. It’s because “…no monetary compensations are being asked for…” by the plaintiffs!
All the “tens of thousands of veterans” truly want is “justice” for what the military, (U.S. Army and Veterans Administration), put them through!
And, Now, we’re stuck with – “cover-up artist”, Thomas Bowman! Something tells me there’s going to be more bullshit coming our way in the near future! In my opinion, “FOIA Requests” are going to get harder to obtain!

As namnibor has so eloquently put it;
“Rat Bastards!”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

You might be right Elf.

If you go to the link that Ben provided at the bottom of the article and watch the Video. It shows the Senator form the district covered by the 9th circuit surrounded by a bunch of American Legion with their party hats on.

The Senator even says that they had invited Vietnam Veterans of America to attend but they chose not to send a representative. With the American Legion involved with the Senator I don’t trust anything that they are doing. Especially since the Senator is only calling for info on two of the smaller instances of tests using Veterans.

VVA has been fighting for all Veterans. It seems like the Senator and the American legion are trying to do an end run around the court ruling by only calling for the two instances. Instead of calling for the VA and DoD to follow the ruling.

namnibor
namnibor

They just LOVE their party hats!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Sorry was wrong he is a Congressman not a Senator.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

From the article.

The only records that Rep. Mike Thompson (D-CA) and the boys with the party hats are calling for are from the tests, known as Project 112 and SHAD (Shipboard Hazard and Defense) involved some 6,000 military personnel between 1962 and 1974.

Thing is that information has already been prepared and released about Project 112 and SHAD.

See: “Project 112/SHAD” at: “https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Environmental-Exposures/Project-112-SHAD”

And see also: “About Project 112 and Project SHAD”
at VA dot Gov:”https://www.publichealth.va.gov/exposures/shad/basics.asp”

So the Congressman and the Mad Hatters are doing nothing but blowing cover smoke to hide the target.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

QuestIon to anyone:
I joined the Navy in September 1975. I was onboard two “active naval ships” between 1975 and 1978. They were the: USS Raliegh LPD-1, (decommissioned in the 80’s or 90’s), & the USS Sperry AS-12, (also decommissioned around the same time!)!
Two things here –
1.) These “chemical agents” don’t just “go away!” They sometimes linger for decades, and sometimes never go away!
2.) Were these ships part of these “experiments”?

How come there’s no “list of the ships being used in all of these experiments?” IF there is a “list”, how would anyone find it? Lastly, there’s no way these ships, being used for “experimental purposes”, can truly be “cleaned” of all or any part of the “toxic chemicals used by the DOD and VA”!

I do believe I’ve raised another important issue the government doesn’t want to give answers for!

Lem
Lem

Crazy, I was on the USS Sperry AS-12 from June of 1962 to July of 1965 as a Hospital Corpsman. (HN and HM3) I wasn’t aware of any experimentation other than nuclear drills for nuclear accidents or leaks. As far as I know the radiation used was very low level and did not raise flags on our radiation badges which were developed by our Xray tech and read by the Flotilla Medical Officer and the Radiologist at San Diego Naval Hospital. (could be off a little on dates. would have to dig out my chronology of service page.)

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Lem,
I was onboard “her” for a little over two years, between 1976-78!
My NEC was torpedoman, (subroc)! There was an “incident” in 1977 in where a “warhead was dropped” and our “film badges” turned colors. When they were sent to Texas for analysis they were never seen again.
There’s is a blank time frame in our records verifying this.
Your lucky to have been on her long before that “incident”!

Lem
Lem

yes, fried brain, I am lucky. -) Mine is only scrambled.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

elf…I found this but it must sit in the directors filing cabinet, Because every time I ask them the reply is, never heard about it,…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………. As information becomes available, it is provided to the VA in the form of fact sheets. To
date we have published 45 fact sheets on 41 tests which involved more than 5,000
servicemembers. The fact sheets detail which ships and units were involved in tests, when the
tests took place and what substances the crew may have been exposed to. In order to expedite
2
the VA’s notification to affected veterans, we now provide names and service numbers of
servicemembers involved in each test to the VA as soon as we identify the ship or unit involved;
we do not wait for the declassification process to be completed. To date, we have provided the
VA with the names of 4,990 veterans from 16 of 18 known shipboard tests and are searching for
classified reports which identify the ships used in the remaining two tests.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Lem,
Another thing about that “incident” and the “disappearance of our film badges” was, when we asked about them, we were NEVER given an answer! Myself, and the other 4 subroc techs, kept asking a “ltjg Glow” to find them and report back! He NEVER would comply.
When we brought JAG into it, we were all transferred to – wait for it – Hawaii. We ALL got transferred to “NAVMAGLualualei/West Lock Branch/Sub Base”!
I believe it was to shut us up by giving us a great “Shore Duty”!
Well, we didn’t “shut up” and continued asking for the results of our “missing badges!”
Two techs actually received “special orders”, from our “detailer”, AND an increase in their rate!
How’s that for some bullshit! The rest of us got transferred to “shit details” until our “sea duty” kicked back in!
And, you know what pissed us off the most? We were the only subroc techs who NEVER received any “gigs” on our “NTPI’s” or “NWAI’s” ever!
How’s that for gratitude from our benevolent Navy!

91Veteran
91Veteran

Oldmarine, VA fact sheets are nothing more than vague, bullshit talking points used by the VA to keep their story straight, and to make it look like they are doing something.

Nothing changes in them until they are absolutely forced to.

Dennis
Dennis

I underwent high security protocol training while a young Marine training for MSG at Quantico, Virginia. The question regarding this information is answered by the guidlines that DoD is bound by concerning national security. What I mean by this is that DoD is not authorized to release information that is deemed classified. Defense Department information that is still relevent today and if known by our enemies could cause exceptionally grave harm to our national security is considered top secret as far as I can remember from training.

The “Top Secret” classification can generally ONLY be undone when the information becomes irrelevent. Once the U-2 spy plane had been seen, captured, photographed, and could be drawn from memory by most second grade Russian kids, did The Pentagon even acknowledge its existance.

I cannot fathom the human who made the decision to do these things to others. It sickens me. However, if any of the information that was gained from their unwilling sacrifice could empower our enemies to do harm to us, then however ill-gotten the information was it could not be released. Even releasing names would be a tough thing to overcome if DoD was to comply with rules regarding national security.

As a young Marine I was required to go into a gas chamber every single fucking year, which they filled with CS gas (tear gas from Hell). At that point you are ordered to remove your gas mask. Then, just try to hold your breath lolz! You are ordered to do jumping jacks in the gas chamber without a gas mask on until every exposed facial sweat gland, mucous membrane, tear and snot covered part of your face is on fire, then you are told to don your mask and clear it. There is GOBS of snot involved. In those moments I too felt pretty fucking experimented on. The entire process culminates with but a single thought in a young Marines head, and it is in this moment that his entire focus is on the exit door. I think they were doing mind focusing experiements… My complaint is that they didn’t even classify it as anything important enough to do to keep secret! Shit.

Leatherneck
Leatherneck

Dennis I see you had a lot to say but my belief as a Veteran myself your beliefs how to improve Disabled Veterans who is collected 100 percent service connected and tell to your Senators and Representative I am full blood Jar Head.

Lem
Lem

Not just human subject experiments that were using substances and diseases known to be harmful to humans and were deliberately exposed, but also bogus disease and injury experiments with pre determined outcomes that were specifically intended to reduce disability entitlements.

Two items below:

MISREPRESENTATION OF FACT:
.
With respect to organic brain syndromes by the U S Government’s Military and Department of Veteran’s Affairs Mr. Bray cites the orchestrated Yale Medical School study that found on behalf of the DVA’s “cutting edge theory” that EEG sharp waves were more representative of “psychogenic seizures” than partial and complex partial seizures. The DVA is alleged to have demanded a pre-determined outcome of the study in return for the use of DVA telemetry units for the Yale Medical School studies on both civilian and veteran subjects, denying beds to veterans in the telemetry units for the purpose they were installed at DVA Medical and Research facilities in favor of the Yale Medical School non-veteran surgical research subjects of status epileptic seizures including Parkinson’s Disease.

The Yale Study conclusions have now been debunked by a study of Oxford Medical School. The denial of partial and complex partial temporal lobe seizures as indicated by “sharp wave” tracings on EEGs served no purpose other than denial of compensation to veterans while denying all victims of deep based temporal lobe seizures needed medication and other therapy to mediate their condition. Non-veterans have been equally damaged by the deliberately false outcome of the Yale study and will continue to be so damaged so long as there is a Neurology Text Book stating that “sharp waves” on temporal lobe EEG tracings are an indication of “psychogenic seizures.”

“http://epilepsy.yale.edu/about/history/1980.aspx”

“https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2995886/”

Additional evidence of “Misrepresentation of Fact” about organic brain syndromes by the U S Military and the Department of Veterans’ Affairs is shown by what appears to be an obvious attempt by the authors of the research paper: PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING OF CEREBRAL MALARIA PATIENTS, “The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease,” vol. 147, #6, 1968 by Kastl, A.J.; Daroff, R.B.; and Blocker, W.W.: to attempt to flag their report for failure of a peer review. If fails in 4 specifics the most basic of which is the “control group.” And it appears to have been produced under some sort of duress for a predetermined outcome causing the authors to write in a form designed to get by local review and to fail peer review giving some basic items that are counter the conclusions in the lead up to the conclusions expecting the failures to appear after they had been released from the service. The research paper was used by John Boos, MD, Department of Veterans Affairs National Director of Neurology at the VA Connecticut Healthcare System in West Haven, CT, in his testimony before the Subcommittee on Benefits, House Committee on Veterans Affairs, on July 16, 1998, a person of intellect and credentials that clearly should also have recognized the failings of the “peer reviewed” report.

PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING OF CEREBRAL MALARIA PATIENTS, has clearly and irrefutably, through physiology, been debunked by the National Institute of Health (NIH) study published online December 6, 2016.

See also the debunking study: “https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/raising-curtain-cerebral-malarias-deadly-agents”

We note there is a pattern of lobbyist interfering with veterans getting their medical and compensation benefits to benefit their clients:

”https://www.disabledveterans.org/2016/05/17/phoenix-va-chief-gets-probation-no-penalty-dead-veterans/”

This caused the Phoenix and Cheyenne VA crisis. Note it seems unlikely that the Cheyenne VA Director would have cooperated in the Health Net move to get “Choice” authorized without getting some laundered “quid” for her “pro quo”. Perhaps one of the Health Net executives receiving more than $1.5 million in annual compensation (Over $25 million for the top 5 executives compensation) after spinning Health Net off from a non-profit organization to a for profit organization in 1992 granting The California Wellness Foundation 80% ownership. This huge contract smells. Two national providers for the VA Choice Program. Where is the competition.

TITLE 28, U.S.C.
§2401. Time for commencing action against United States
(a) Except as provided by chapter 71 of title 41, every civil action commenced against the United
States shall be barred unless the complaint is filed within six years after the right of action first
accrues. The action of any person under legal disability or beyond the seas at the time the claim
accrues may be commenced within three years after the disability ceases.

TITLE 41, Section §7101
(9) MISREPRESENTATION OF FACT. The term “misrepresentation of fact” means a false
statement of substantive fact, or conduct that leads to a belief of a substantive fact material to proper understanding of the matter in hand, made with intent to deceive or mislead.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Good ol VA. Masters at feigning ignorance and incompetence and at knowingly creating and using flawed “research” to intentional screw veterans.

If this were an honest mistake, like so many “mistakes” made by the VA over many years, the law of averages would suggest it would occasionally be in the favor of veterans.

That they are not shows it is intentional.

PS. Ben, I don’t think the subscription to thread thingy is working.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

MILITARY EXPOSURES: THE CONTINUING
CHALLENGES OF CARE AND COMPENSATION
WEDNESDAY, JULY 10, 2002
U.S. S ENATE ,
V ETERANS ’ A FFAIRS ,

Washington, DC.Senator W ELLSTONE . You are right. Both. How about both? Both
of them, both Nelsons, Senator Nelson from Florida, but I also was
listening to the comments of my colleague from Nebraska, and I
agree.
The only thing I want to say besides the statement that is in the
record—and Jay and I have, I think, talked about this as well—
this is—we have this kind of awful record. I mean, I remember the
work with Atomic veterans, and this just reminds me of Atomic
veterans, Gulf veterans, Agent Orange, and it is this awful record
of excessive secrecy and sort of people, you know, veterans and
their families feeling like the Government is not being honest with
them,[ NO SHIT ] they are put in harm’s way, and, you know, they keep asking
for some recognition of what has happened. They keep asking for
some compensation. They keep asking for treatment, and over and
over again they come up against this wall
There sure is plenty to read

namnibor
namnibor

I’m starting to think that the VA’s “CHOICE” is simply an outsourced means to their ‘final solution’, which is of course, worm-dirt.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

VA Health care is the final solution.

Roger Doyle Taylor, Esq.
Roger Doyle Taylor, Esq.

JESUS, help US… please…

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

“Help us”? Your not even a Veteran.

Why don’t you go back to your job processing those J1 and J2 visa aps or your work on converting them in permanent residents?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

He’s probably also processing the “H1B” visas so foreign nationals can take even more jobs away from Americans, whether they be veterans or not. Like what has been reported down here in Florida at Disney World in the past few years!

Bill
Bill

And at the bottom of the end of the top secrect report it reads THANK YOU FPR YOUR SERVICE with a hardy salute!

Pete Perez
Pete Perez

*Does this include the exposure I received inside a small building while I was training to become an mos 5711 NBC Warfare Specialist?? I was exposed to Tear gas in a totally enclosed building. We were also exposed to diluted Blister/Mustard Gas,in Fort McClelland,in Anniston Alabama.*

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Pete you may want to go to “https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Environmental-Exposures/Chemical-and-Biological-Exposures”.

After reading the page go to the Frequently Asked Questions. They do provide information on finding out.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

But sadly lacking are the questions and answers for the majority of the testing done. Which was through Ft. Detrick.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Also Pete Perez,

You should review the following link it does state that Mustard Gas research was ongoing at Fort McClelland,in Anniston Alabama.

Summary of the Department of the Army Report
by James R. Taylor and William Johnson
USE OF VOLUNTEERS IN CHEMICAL AGENT RESEARCH (1975)
“https://www.nap.edu/read/2058/chapter/21”

Excerpt from the report:

“Formalized guidelines were finally issued in June 1953 in a Chief of Staff Memo (MM 385). These guidelines represented an official adoption of the Nuremberg Codes (although somewhat modified) and were meant to apply to all types of chemical, radiological, and biological warfare testing. Further, they required all projects to be approved by the Secretary of the Army. However, no detailed descriptions of what types of experiments required this approval were included, and the report authors argue later that this was a “loophole” that permitted “selective compliance” with the guidelines.

For example, in August 1953 seven research projects were sent for approval, one on vesicants and other agents, one on phosgene, and five on nerve agents. Not sent for approval was a research project labelled a ”local field exercise” at Fort McClellan, Alabama (Operation TOP HAT). This operation involved use of Chemical Corps personnel in tests of decontamination methods for biological warfare agents, sulfur mustard, and nerve gases. These personnel were not informed and were not volunteers. The justification for the lack of a request for approval was that the project fell under the “line of duty” definition and was not subject to protocol approval.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Pet Perez

Several articles that may interest you on the subject.

“World War II Secret Mustard Gas Testing”
WWII Veteran, Who Fought To Expose Secret Mustard Gas Experiments, Dies
May 30, 2016
“http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/05/30/479975975/wwii-veteran-who-fought-to-expose-secret-mustard-gas-experiments-dies”

“The VA’s Broken Promise To Thousands Of Vets Exposed To Mustard Gas”
June 23, 2015
“http://www.npr.org/2015/06/23/416408655/the-vas-broken-promise-to-thousands-of-vets-exposed-to-mustard-gas”

“In secret chemical weapons experiments conducted during World War II, the U.S. military exposed thousands of American troops to mustard gas.

When those experiments were formally declassified in the 1990s, the Department of Veterans Affairs made two promises: to locate about 4,000 men who were used in the most extreme tests, and to compensate those who had permanent injuries.

Charlie Cavell at his home in Virginia. He is one of 60,000 World War II veterans exposed to mustard gas as part of secret experiments by the U.S. military.

Ariel Zambelich/NPR

But the VA didn’t uphold those promises, an NPR investigation has found.

NPR interviewed more than 40 living test subjects and family members, and they describe an unending cycle of appeals and denials as they struggled to get government benefits for mustard gas exposure. Some gave up out of frustration.

In more than 20 years, the VA attempted to reach just 610 of the men, with a single letter sent in the mail. Brad Flohr, a VA senior adviser for benefits, says the agency couldn’t find the rest, because military records of the experiments were incomplete.

“There was no identifying information,” he says. “No Social Security numbers, no addresses, no … way of identifying them. Although, we tried.”

Yet in just two months, an NPR research librarian located more than 1,200 of them, using the VA’s own list of test subjects and public records.”

Full article at link above

Also

“How NPR Located More Veterans Exposed To Mustard Gas Than The VA”
June 26, 2015

“http://www.npr.org/2015/06/26/417513593/how-npr-located-more-veterans-exposed-to-mustard-gas-than-the-va”

Lastly there is a free book on the subject published by the National Academy of Science Institute of Medicine Titled “Veterans at Risk: The Health Effects of Mustard Gas and Lewisite” available at: “https://www.nap.edu/catalog/2058/veterans-at-risk-the-health-effects-of-mustard-gas-and”

On the right hand side of the screen you can click on the free download button or you can buy the book for $112.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Every report that says UNCLASSIFIED on the “Project 112/SHAD Fact Sheets” so far is blacked out,
It’s no wonder no one knows anything…..JUST SMOKE AND MIRRORS

Chuck Morse
Chuck Morse

Project 112/SHAD are cannon fodder to take pressure off 0f the DOD,CIA etc.,there have been numerous government documents to tie Ft Detrick Md(Fort Death),Dungway Proving Grounds,267th Chemical Warfare Div.,and shipments from Deseret Depot through Oakland Ca Naval shipyards. I think now there have been some excuses made for the reasons of “Plausible Deniability” by our DOD,CIA etc.and a crumb thrown out so to speak,however,due to mitigating circumstances one finds out that the Ret.Col put in charge for a congressional investigation has family ties to DOD munitions R&D contracts,how convenient,that his conclusion were that no chemical or biological weapons were used or stored on Okinawa,when in fact a scientist from Ft Detrick has submitted his research papers showing 3 places of time and spraying of defoliants. I am currently working with Congressman Mac Thornberry’s office out of Wichita Falls tx. on some issues concerning the VAMC in Lancaster Tx. now that this has came to the surface I may as well add this to the fire(as I have extensive research)because it has began to smolder again. it will take the proper people with a high profile and media coverage to mount an offensive !!! When our forefathers fought oppression and they were few,however,they would not be denied,neither should we. I am an American Veteran and proud of Old Glory and want to see it raised again,to it’s highest standards,just as it was raised on Iwo Jima to show that we will not be held back !!!

91Veteran
91Veteran

2000? That might be when someone in the VA or DOD finally started responding, but I was getting emails from a few of these vets in the mid to late 1990s asking about Project 112 and SHAD. If I was getting emails, you can bet your ass the Legion and other worthless VSOs were aware, as was the VA, the Pentagon and Congress.

They were reporting similar symptoms as Gulf War vets, which would make sense if Sarin and VX were used.

Rather than study this to the death of vets, trying to ignore the obvious, they could easily compare the medical records from those involved in SHAD, Gulf War vets, and current vets from Iraq who were known to have been exposed to VX or Sarin. They would easily find similarities between each group with diseases caused, or symptoms reported but undiagnosed by the VA.

The NY Times did a flagrant act of journalism last year on several hundred Iraq vets exposed to shells used as IEDS by the enemy, and the symptoms described would make you think they served in the first Gulf War.

Rather than do that, the VA will keep their tunnel vision glasses on while the research money keeps flowing. The Pentagon, and those who ordered these tests and the cover-up, like some Nazis, are likely still around. That means the Pentagon will do all it can to ignore this, and their responsibility.
Hiding behind classified data this many years later is bullshit, since anything found such as weaknesses has long since been addressed. Its just an easy way of avoiding responsibility.

If anything results, it will be the VA calling for a SHAD vets registry, like the AO registry and Gulf War registry. Bullshit exams where any data collected will be ignored, but will pay for lots of hack doctors. It will give the VA and congress reasons to ignore these vets a few years longer.

Maybe 10 years from now the SHAD vets might get congress to act. Or not.

But hey! At least the worthless fucks in the American Legion are getting some headlines!

Jo3n
Jo3n

There’s little doubt that similar atrocities still go on today. DOD still has contracts with chemical companies today. Why? I can’t help but believe we Veterans have been and are now and will always be guinea pigs. I hope something good comes of this. I just don’t see it happening. God Bless the Veterans.

91Veteran
91Veteran

It was late 1990s, early 2000s when it was discovered that DOD conducted many medical tests overseas because the vaccines they were testing were not approved by the FDA.

Testing overseas would provide lots of data that could be used for a human trials proposal over here.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Several of the Vaccine Trials that were done over here do come to mind. The first testing of the Swine Flu Vaccine in Dec of 1976. Where military personnel received the experimental vaccine even though there were no reported cases of swine flu.

It is interesting to note that 1918 Flu Pandemic where more than 12,000 Americans perished during the H1N1 (or “swine flu”) Pandemic. The flu mostly infected military aged adult males. Following the end of WWI. It had little affect on women, children or older adults who were not of military age.

Then there is the Anthrax Vaccine program.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Elf,

You asked a number of important questions in one of your post above. The following information should help a little as far as the official version of things.

To help answer your questions go to the following link and go down the page to the Frequently Asked Questions. When you click on the link it tells you what you need to do to find out if you were involved in the research.

One thing you will note on this page is that although they do have a section for reporting on Human Subject Research at Fort Detrick. The Frequently Asked Questions and Answers are incomplete.

The link: “Chemical and Biological Exposures ”
“The Department of Defense (DoD) and the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) play distinct roles in dealing with chemical and biological (CB) exposures.
•The DoD identifies and validates veteran’s exposure to CB agents and provides the names of these individuals along with their exposure information to the VA.
•The VA then notifies individuals of their potential exposure, provides treatment, if necessary, for these individuals and adjudicates any claim for compensation.

The information is designed to provide Service members, veterans, their families and the public with information on what happened during CB testing conducted years ago that potentially affected the health of those who served. This site provides information on the tests conducted by DoD that possibly resulted in CB exposures only. For privacy reasons, it does not contain the names of the veterans exposed.

Since the end of World War II, DoD periodically evaluated the CB threat and the ability of U.S. forces to fight on a chemical and biological battlefield. In some programs Service members were present but not test subjects and in other programs they were volunteer human subjects. Testing of biological agents on human subjects ended in 1969; testing of chemical agents on human subjects ended in 1975. DoD is investigating these exposures that occurred as far back as 30 to 60 years ago.

All the names discovered by DoD reside in three databases:
•World War II database
•Project 112/SHAD database
•Cold War database

DoD shares these databases with the VA.”

“https://health.mil/Military-Health-Topics/Health-Readiness/Environmental-Exposures/Chemical-and-Biological-Exposures”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I believe that the page was set up to comply with the court order in the case I spoke of in the beginning of the comments section. The case Vietnam Veterans of America, et al. v. CIA, et al.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Subscription emails working again. Thanks Ben.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

WTF Over!
Google the following:

“Sarin gas goes missing from Army proving ground”

The articles and videos are from two days ago!
What’s to say this “gas” won’t be used against American Citizens? How the fuck does the Army “lose” a “deadly chemical weapon?”

We ain’t Russia, where they “lost” a few “suitcase nuclear bombs” years/decades ago! Remember that bullshit?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I’m going to go back and read and watch a few of the articles and videos! I suggest y’all do the same!

91Veteran
91Veteran

“http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-07-10/sarin-unaccounted-us-armys-dugway-proving-ground”

Why am I not surprised the DOD has some grab-ass contractor involved in this?

A few military personnel will be held accountable for not following protocol, but the contractor donating to congressmen will continue without fault.

Hell, problems at Dugway and Tooele date back to the 1960s when an accidental release of nerve agent killed thousands of sheep.

namnibor
namnibor

The DOD probably utilized a contractor to personally handle the sarin gas canisters at a huge discount through a temp labor service that deals exclusively with people with uncontrollable shaking in their limbs…you know, safety first!! 🙂

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Breaking News on WFTV, channel 9, Orlando, Florida @ 5:30 pm set!

Have y’all seen the “massive drug bust” by the DOJ over the past day or so?
$1.3 BILLION worth of fraud against America. It included those on “tri-care” as well! Approximately $400 million worth here in Florida, according to Ch.9 news!

I wonder how many veterans are involved in this? All because they were cut off of everything to do with pain meds?

cj
cj

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namnibor
namnibor

One now has to wonder what the VA is using Thomas Bowman for? Would it be to cover-up water contamination at military bases or…did some VA and DoD bean counters and RAND CORP. make some assessment that Gulf War Veterans were about to flood the gates again or…?

Thomas Bowman seems to be the DoD and Pentagon’s “CLEANER” to prevent Veterans and the like, from receiving just care and recognition of the errors and malfeasant ways of “Desired and Undesired Outcomes”.

Is the Tale of Two Thomas’s (Thomas Bowman and BVA Thomas Agent Orange Denier Murphy) just a coincidence or a master plan?

Inquiring minds, (Veterans and Taxpayers) want to know.

Rat Bastards!

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

namnibor
Thomas Bowman “hides” shit the agency he works for doesn’t want “found!”
Thomas Murphy “denies” shit for the agency he works for, so few can be “approved!”

IF you notice, each person described does the exact opposite of what an agency is required by law to do right! Thereby making them “financially indispensable for/to the agency they work for!” As in the case of the Veterans Administration, which is run like an “insurance corporation and/or a ‘single payer’ healthcare corporation!”

You have anything to add?

namnibor
namnibor

Yes- They are both spitting images of “Doubting Thomas’s”. There’s a warm deck seat in hell for both of them. 🙂

I see this as the VA doing as Benjamin alluded to; “Bolting down the deckchairs on the V.A. Titanic”, and for all we know, the Pentagon and DoD and VA may ALREADY know of current wars and battles in Middle East where weapons of mass destruction of the NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) depots may have exposed current troops or even experimented with brand new nasties on our brothers and sisters.

Who KNOWS? I only know that I do not trust Shulkin nor his emboldened deckchair lineup on V.A. Titanic…rat bastards!

Jo3n
Jo3n

How in hell has anything Shithead has done, the hiring of Bullshit Bowman, reflect the promise made to Veterans? Can I use Choice, (if and when it works ) without a VA PCP? At this point, nothing they do surprises me. It angers me greatly.

lily
lily

My therapist wants me to take some assessment test to see what my aptitude is for voc rehab. I feel like I’m apart of a human experiment. Is this even apart of a therapist job at the VA ? I’m wondering if this guy is just trying to get my PTSD rating lowered by having the VA see I can do test?

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I never had to do anything like that. Unless times have changed, I’d be very careful!

cj
cj

@lily: Lily, I honestly can’t tell you what the underlying motive is, but, from personal experience, the last time I trusted the VA, they used that trust against me. Never again.

I have stated before, every time the VA is faced with either the right choice, or the wrong choice, they will undoubtedly take the wrong choice. Even if your therapist is on the level, the VA sure as hell isn’t.

Food for thought.

lily
lily

Thanks, I’m really considering dropping out of VA therapy. I went in after 15 years and found out it’s so pathetic. I know way more than they do about coping with my symptoms. I think I’m just going to see a private psychiatrist a few times a year to cover my ass. I found out I have a gene that makes me 7x less likely to respond to antidepressants. That’s why the VA medication never worked. I’m done being a human experiment for the VA.

cj
cj

@lily:Lily, that is a plan, don’t let them off the hook for your care ever, always make your 6 month apt. I am with you and Crazy elf, I just don’t trust them, Seems they are always up to no good. Let us know if they say, or do anything negative, because of whatever decision you have made.

disgruntled vet
disgruntled vet

*following*