Another Veteran Suicide In Front Of VA Emergency Department

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Reports have now floated across the blogosphere that another veteran suicide by gun occurred recently in front of the Amarillo VA, located in Texas.

At the end of last month, one veteran committed suicide in front of the Thomas E. Creek VA Medical Center on a Wednesday morning. One of my readers messaged me yesterday and asked me to highlight the veteran’s suicide that likely was the result of poor or mismanaged mental health care at the facility.

The Amarillo Police Department was called to the VA Medical Center at 6010 W. Amarillo Blvd. shortly after 7 a.m. to find a man, whose name has not been released. That man was dead from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Veteran Suicide Statement

“This morning, a veteran took his life in the front of the main hospital of the Thomas E. Creek VA Medical Center,” Barbara Moore, Chief of Community and Patient Services at the VA hospital, said in a statement.

“In order to protect the veteran’s privacy, we are not able to share any additional details. Our deepest condolences are extended to friends and family of the veteran. We are cooperating with local authorities on the investigation.”

Is silence what the veteran wanted? Is VA truly trying to protect the dead veteran’s suicide or are they trying to cover up the epidemic of veteran suicides nationwide?

Remember Albuquerque?

This is essentially the same song and dance Albuquerque VA gave me after I inquired into a similar suicide outside that medical facility.

Only there, Albuquerque police claimed they were not involved in investigating or responding to the incident, citing the facility was on federal property. Apparently, the agency’s ability to keep things quiet depends on the state that facility is in.

RELATED: Media Blackout Of Bloody Veteran Suicide At Albuquerque VA

The VA spokesperson said according to the latest statistics from the VA, approximately 20 veterans commit suicide each day, and six are in some type of VA care program.

VA has been unable to make a substantive dent in the number of daily veteran suicides despite record funding and research into the crisis since the start of the Iraq War.

RELATED: No Media For Veteran Suicide Linked To Minneapolis VA Care

“We urge veterans experiencing a crisis, as well as their family members, to contact the Veterans Crisis Line at 800-273-8255 (press 1),” Moore wrote. “This line is available 24 hours a day, seven days a week.”

Source: http://amarillo.com/local-news/news/2017-07-26/veteran-commits-suicide-front-amarillo-va-hospital

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cj
cj

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lily
lily

I’m not really surprised. I’ve gone to psychiatrist and psychologist since year 2001 to see what they have to offer and it hasn’t been helpful. Most of what I do to handle my PTSD is holistic. When has a therapist told you that a negative ion generator can relieve your stress? When has a therapist told you that keeping your room medium humidity will enable your body to produce melatonin so you can sleep better? When has a therapist told you that Vitamin C will lower your stress chemically by counteracting the stress hormone cortisol? Has a therapist ever told you that yoga breathing for 15 minutes laying on the ground will relieve stress? Did your therapist tell you to listen to stress relief music all the time when alone in your room to relieve stress? When has a therapist said to take phospadylserine to increase your focus and relieve your sense of hyperactivity? Did a therapist tell you that taking triple strength fish oil will help with depression? Did a therapist ever recommend to you to a full body self massage yourself every day? When has a therapist recommended Qi Gong for stress relief? See the point is I’ve gone to these therapist and all that happens is I talk and they talk. I leave and feel a little well getting some things off my chest but that’s about it. It’s usually more counterproductive since I feel my therapist right now is more concerned with getting my VA Compensation down than actually helping me.

Another thing therapist don’t tell you is that caffeine can be bad for anxiety, increase cortisol and cause other problems. Yet every time I walk in the vet center the first question they ask me is “do you want some coffee”? I saw some guy come in the vet center for therapy and take a cup of coffee the other day. I just thought “that’s not a good idea if you have anxiety problems”.

Nexdeceptus
Nexdeceptus

Lily, I do some of the things you do and that’s what helps me the best. Especially the music. As for seeing the psyc, the only benefit I get from that is the $24 for gas money.

Genius H Kennard
Genius H Kennard

Somebody tell me, Why won’t they allow cameras at the Miami VA? Oh! What could they possibly be doing wrong?

lily
lily

That’s good you do those things too and they help. We need something and this therapy is pretty weak stuff. I don’t take meds because I got hallucinations from them the last time.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

When I go to my psychologists, I do not offer anything about what I’m going through. I know for a fact that any information you give about your self can and will be used against you. That how they rationalize the need for the disruptive committee.

Every veteran suffering from ptsd and or traumatic brain injury is automatically considered a threat or could become a threat sometime in the future.

Now your a veteran with ptsd and or traumatic brain injury and having a bad day and the VA employees see this, do they approach the veterans and ask what’s wrong or ask if they are ok and offer help !..

Or do these employees see the veterans in distress and pick up the phone and call the police and the police Hoover near by, the veterans see the police and their 38 special peeking around the corner.

Or do these employees see the veterans as a threat or could become a threat. The veteran thinking about killing themselves and speak loudly or act some other way and this is threatening and the VA kicks the guy out, without trying to find out what’s going on.

I do not believe these employees even care and will do what ever they can to make the veterans even madder.

Let’s see ptsd, traumatic brain injury and the veteran is on high dose of medication and act strange to the employee. That must be really scary for the employee !

One would think these employees knew that they worked at a VA hospital and should expect situations like the above and know how to handle it.

Nope, claiming that the veterans are disturbing other veterans or employees and then reported as a threat or could become a threat sometime in the future.

Too many stories of wrongdoing by VA employees for everyone to be wrong.

Every veteran needs to get a copy of their medical records and read what VA employees are really saying about the veterans behind their backs.

Veterans are nothing more than an excuse to get a pay check, if we live or die is of no consequence to VA employees.

There will always be more.

VA NEPOTISM OHIO
VA NEPOTISM OHIO

James, Nice write up and comments. I enjoyed reading it.
The VA Doctors (non Veterans) are evil here in at Akron Ohio VA, and Wade Park Cleveland VA. Just down right sinister. I never met medical employees and doctors so utter hateful, disrespectfully, unethical, and down right unprofessional like here at the Ohio VAs.
Here are few:
1. Peter Barach AKA Dr. Frankenstein (non Veteran Draft Dodger 1969-1973, Draft deferment or military waiver for mental illness 1969 to 1975) Wade Park Cleveland Ohio VA, AKA “The Monster of Shaker Heights” Cleveland Ohio. Peter Barach grew up across the street from the Wade Park Cleveland Ohio VA. His family and his friend work there. Flunked out at John Hopkins University in 1972, and ended up at Ann Arbor Mi to finish a degree in children (kindengarten science). Got back home in “Shaker Height” Cleveland Ohio, then went to college at the Western Reserve across the street from where he lived. Just amazing, never seen a more clear cut case of NEPOTISM, like Peter Barach’s story. Dude lies on injured former soldier’s C and P exams and sabotages vunerable veteran’s claims with impunity…
2. Pamela Sue Sherer Non Veteran Waterloo Road Akron Ohio VA, and
3. Eric Canna (non veteran) Waterloo Road Akron Ohio VA.

They are down right hateful these non veteran employees here at the Ohio VAs, manipulating medical notes, obtaining in service treatment notes prior to the veteran’s obtaining the in service medical notes, and thus screening the veterans out of injury claims, manipulating symptoms in order to make disorders look like non claimable disorders. They cover-up past suffering from the lack of care by the VA. There nothing that these non veteran employees are not doing to the vulnerable veterans. They stick together like a “Pedophile Ring”.

If you contact senator Sherrod Brown (D) Ohio, or Congressman Tim Ryan (D) Ohio, these VA employees circle wagons and retaliate against the injured veterans and disabled former soldiers. It is terrible here in Ohio. The only ones that are protected is the non veteran VA employees, and NOT the vulnerable veterans. Injuried former soldiers and disabled veterans need to file 10 and 15 claims in Ohio. Tens-of-millions of dollars have been stolen from the VA by this Ohio Director, and his toadies, who now in federal prison for numerous felonies. The only ones benefits and getting paid, and getting good health care in Ohio, is the VA non veteran employees. It is world turned up side down with these self serving nuts.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

I put this article on here yesterday. Maybe it’s time for a redue!
From: “Military.com/Daily News”
Dated: 14 August 2017
Titled:

“‘Parking Lot’ Suicides Roil VA Hospitals”

By: Richard Sisk

In the article, Secretary of VA, Dr. Shulkin, says he can’t understand why veterans are committing suicide in VA parking lots! He believes it’s being done so family members won’t find the bodies and that the VA can take care of the veterans body! (Horseshit!)
Veterans know the “WHY”! It’s because the Veterans are receiving pisspoor healthcare!

Read the article. It’s very enlightening!

Lem
Lem

I’m applying to reopen the Central District of California U S District Court Case 88-6276.

I’ve been aware since I first filed the case that organic brain syndromes very often play a part in suicide. Probably the most frequent problem is subtle undiagnosed and therefore untreated “anosognosia”. Not the extreme “unilateral neglect”, but the effect of 4 or 5 drinks in an hour that never goes away resulting in fuck ups that you eventually blame some demon that you can only get rid of with a finale exit.

namnibor
namnibor

“[…Is silence what the veteran wanted? Is VA truly trying to protect the dead veteran’s suicide or are they trying to cover up the epidemic of veteran suicides nationwide?…]”

Cover-up, of course. Just in last day or so, VA Sec. Shulkin stated he cannot understand WHY Veterans are killing themselves in front of VAMC’s or in their parking lots.

They cannot grasp in their feeble egotistical God Syndrome minds that THEY/THE VA, are very much the contributing reason and these suicides are obviously HUGE statements of DESPERATION because of lack of care or just plain shit-care. Shitkin Care.

RAND Corp. recommends the VA change name to SHITKIN Care or SHITCAN Care. Both are applicable.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Did anyone notice something ridiculous in the picture Ben used?

Question: Who authorized a “statue of a horse, with the “American Flag”, as a horse blanket”?

How much did that cost the taxpayers?
Will that VHA say it’s out there to help calm down veterans?
I think that statue is just as ridiculous as the “boulder in a pond” the VHA, in northern California, purchased to help calm down veterans! Or, the “Braille Sign” VHA purchased! Or, the “color changing walls and leather couches and chairs” a VHA purchased! ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC.!
Then, VHA’s nationwide wonder “WHY” they run out of (taxpayers) monies, before the next fiscal year!

namnibor
namnibor

@Crazy elf — No worries about that horse statue with American Flag draped over it in front of that VAMC in today’s “Bad VA Art”.
Why never mind?
Because once some butthurt snowflake decides in the coming days/weeks that General Lee looked at that horse once or anyone the liberals want to erase from American History, the VA Snowflakes will beg congress critters for $$$$$$ to properly smelt the horse down into harmless baby rattles for these libtards that have gone all-out batshit crazy as late.
Also, I am GLAD pres. Trump called out the bad eggs on both sides of the conflict of civil unrest and mayhem. The snowflakes are all bent out of shape because the driver of that car, as heinous as that was, has not been officially deemed/labeled a terrorist act.
Well guess what? That asswipe sniper that ambushed/killed many police in Houston, TX from “the other side” was never labeled as he should have been either, “a thug domestic terrorist and group”.
I said it. So did our POTUS. I’m all for diversity but not the erasure of our history!!

Lem
Lem

Clinging to history? Bull shit. Just another gun totting white supremacist trying to rub honest right thinking people the wrong way. My family passed for white after the civil war and took up your bullshit charm so I know exactly where your “history” lies. Oppression, separate and unequal and just plain violent crap

Too many bigots on this site for me to support it. Bye

Wyldechylde
Wyldechylde

I try to live by the mantra “Don’t start no shit, won’t be no shit.” It constantly amazes me that other people have to start shit. Enjoy the war for America’s soul. I’m sitting this one out.

cj
cj

@Lem: Damn Lem, what the hell did you eat for breakfast?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem, @!Wyldechylde – – – Whoa, history is just that history. Just because someone doesn’t believe that statues that remind us of the Civil War shouldn’t be taken down, doesn’t mean that someone is a bigot. Shall we also go and evaluate the past of things about Democrat Presidents in which we don’t agree with by today’s ever changing standards of almost anything that is a topic or issue of the times? Get past the bigot issue. We all have one common theme, but we’re not united as a group in doing so, and that is to change the VA in whatever manner works to get the job done.

And, if I know that I’m right, and the VA’s medical protocol has negatively effected my life, then I’m in their fucking face. Nowadays, I don’t give a rats ass if the VA gets upset. They can try to do whatever they want, but I doubt it, because I’ve already put them on notice as a threat to my health and well-being. And, the VA doesn’t know what to think about this. I’ve stirred the pot (wish I had more) of my local VA. I don’t care what they fucking think about me anymore. Their incompetent. I wasn’t like this before. I guess I’m went into Disruptive mode. – – – Nutter.

Lem
Lem

Bull. I was a bigot too much of my life to not recognize the dog whistles. No glory deserved in our racist past. or any flag or statue that represents it. It is a part of history to be settled in the books without any glory. No shrine for Hitler or any like minded individual.

Quit justifying your fathers the way I did. recognize what you are doing and don’t defend it. Apologize for it. All this shit because we had our first black President.

cj
cj

@Lem: Hey Lem, I truly don’t give a shit!!! What the hell is the damn statue made of? Metal? Stone? Everyone getting all worked up over a pet rock, or future bullet? Who the hell cares? Fuck history, you can’t change it, hide it, or pretend it never happened. It just was. All you can do is learn from it. We are not in the past, and it really doesn’t matter what the past means, to any particular person, or group. Fuck! So much time wasted on BS!

How much time you think you have left on this planet? You really want to waste the time you have left, by letting meaningless shit you can’t change rent this much space in your head? You want to really waste all that energy hating? Okay then, hate away if it makes you happy, your still my brother, even if you view me as a gun toting white bigot. I will not return the hate if you don’t mind, I kinda prefer to enjoy as much of the time left I have, as short as it may be.

You, me, the damn Snowflakes, need to look at the big picture, and stop getting bogged down by all of the assholes in charge of everything. We need to fight this monster together, side by side. If we ever take this country back and set it on the right course, you just may find out the assholes you been fighting next to, ain’t so different from you after all. Don’t let the progressives win by keeping us at each other’s throats, we need to unite and conquer this shit as one!

Damnit, have some fun today, go for a walk, find some asshole in a business suit, jump in front of him, bear your teeth, shake your head, and growl like a pirate, and watch his sissy ass take off like a bat out of hell!

Get into a crowded elevator be the last one on, then turn around and stare at everyone, then when you see that they are freaking out, tell them how you just saved 15% by switching to Gieco.

You do realize at our age, we can get away with that shit right?
Yeah yeah, I know, I’m of the tracks woo woo….

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

cj…..daaaaaaaamn well said brother

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Plus, the VA Staph keeps probing me with questions, trying to find out what weapons I have, ammunition, where the weapons are located, AND, if there is anyone else that may be part of my support Be observant and careful out there. – – – Nutter.

ANuttrVet
ANuttrVet

Hey Lem, to fucking extreme on your end. I’ve got a hell of a lot more important issues and concerns in my life. And as far as any distortion goes, many far left liberals who were successful in passing legislation, ones that have negatively effected the things of norm. They need to apologize to me. I guess were at a stale mate unless I perform as you wish. Now shall I tell you what to do?

Hey Lem, my father would run all many other fathers for not being what? Not being a father to their children. To this day, my elementary classmates have always told me that they remember my dad, because he didn’t act like many other fathers in the neighborhood. They say, “your dad was a good person.”

Plus, I found both my father and mother deceased at different times. When my pops passed, his viewing was filled with more black people than whites. While sitting next to my father’s casket at the viewing, I watched one person kneel down in front of mom, look her straight in the eyes, then glace at me, then back looking at my mom, and he said, “Peggy, what I’m a going to do now, I lost my best friend.”

I was stunned, as I watched that man lay his head on my mom’s lap, and weep. I didn’t know what to think of it then. But I surely do now. Lem, I guess what I’m trying to say is, that my father wasn’t as you think that I’ve may have been influenced by. And, I guarantee you, that if you were able to know my father, you may have wondered about yours. No offense to you Bro, just saying. – – – Nutter.

Lem
Lem

Yeh, my dad was well thought of also. Over 200 people at his funeral. But he was still a racists. When he last ask me if, “I’d like my one of my sisters to marry one,” my response was, yes, I know a lot of black men that would make good husbands.

Why was my father a racist? Probably because his family moved from SC to Missouri after the Civil War and passed for white. Dad never knew our first Bray arrival was an English sea captain who married a black woman in Boston and moved to South Carolina to start a plantation. So I suspect the shit moved down hill from passing for white for economic advantage without telling your decedents and taking up the racist lingo so as not to be found out. So yes, “dog whistles” like protecting our history. It is bull shit. That is not a history that needs protecting. It is one to be remembered but there are no heroes to be memorialized in it. It is just rubbing it in your face bull shit. How would you like to see a statue of Hitler in the middle of the Arlington Cemetery where WWII veterans are buried. Think about what this bull shit means.

cj
cj

Lem, what the fuck? If someone wants to be damn racist, let them be. Who cares? They want to suck start old Dodges in the junk yard, hey no skin off my back. Only time it becomes a problem is when they insist I do the same, that is when this white gun toting bigot takes aim. Know what I mean? Freedom means letting people do what ever Frost’s their damn cookies. The problem today isn’t the racist, or bigots, or any other ist’s. The problem today, is one group trying to force feed their beliefs, down everyone else’s throats, and if you say go fuck yourself, then the shit starts getting the fan. It’s time for the fan to be rewired for full on reverse. I know you know what I am trying to say.

Anyway.

Later Gators -!¡¡!-

Lem
Lem

Exactly, “force feed beliefs.” And there are just beliefs and unjust beliefs as well as “it doesn’t matter beliefs.”

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Speaking of beliefs listen to this guy… don’t let the title fool you, he explains belief very well…..

The Flat Earth and Why They Are Lying To Us About That – YouTube
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52blFw9oNBM”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Lem – – – Nothing of the nature in which we’re talking about wasn’t in my environment at home, my father wouldn’t allow. BTW, I’m sorry that your Dad wasn’t more in tune with your feelings, and being less sensitive to how you saw things back then. I was fortunate enough to have a very reasonable father. He had house rules, and he also gave me the opportunity to speak out against them. How?

We had family meetings. And my pop shared with me, that if I didn’t like some of the rules, that I could call a family meeting to discuss my views, and why the rule(s) should be changed. One thing though, I couldn’t call the meeting based off of selfishness, manipulation, or not being able to present a reasonable case. This was fair to me, and there were many families where it didn’t matter how the members felt. this was the rule, and end of story. Good thing that my dad protected me from certain social beliefs and dramas.

As far as Hitler goes, I denounce him, even when I first knew of him. But here is the thing, Hitler is a part of our Second World War history. Its separate. The confederate issues, well that’s part of our history, the homeland. Now if they store these items in a museum, not many people would go. There would be no comparison, to the amount of people that would see the items in public. So this brings me to this question;

Would the population of our Nation be more reminded of this period of time, and the awful things involved during this time period, if these items were tucked away in a pay for see museum, or the items were in public? I believe that there would be more discussion stirred up if these items were let alone. Just my opinion. Oh, I don’t follow or am I involved in a hate group. I forgot, only one that is against the VA. – – – Nutter.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

As far as Hitler goes…he was a puppet also… and nutter you don’t know when to drop stupid shit you go on and on trying to prove something no one gives a fuck about..lol… burn one and look out the window at nature…..chill

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

The other problem is this, when either side has the momentum going in their favor, then they force feed many distorted beliefs, one in which effects the US population, no matter what road they are physically traveling on. Recently this fast streamlining process has been done. And, both sides of the isle take advantage of the tide when it is in their favor to pass law, judgement, and their idealistic ideas.

And lets not forget, that there many books that are in classrooms, which has distorted history. And you’d think that when these errors were found, it wasn’t easy to get them off the shelves, or better yet, out of the classrooms.

Every time there is a fucking movement in our Country, that we go overboard in not analyzing what truly would be the best thing to do. Then we have to clean up the aftermath.

This reminds me of the movement in removing POTUS, because some believe that he didn’t win. Wrong. These people don’t know squat about the election process. But still you hear, he isn’t my President, when in fact he actually is. I didn’t like many things that wimpy POTUS BO did. Even though it was hard at times, I tried to still refer to him as President. This has been a good thread of a discussion.

And let us remember, that the main goal for Ben’s site, is to get the VA to change its ways of treating Veterans; Health Care or Claims Process. – – – Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE – – – Send me when then? LMAO. – – – Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE- – – Dag nab Ole, thanks for helping me to stop spinning in my tracks. Good call for reminding me. With some, its all the way or nothing. Lem, ok, they don’t belong in a museum either. LMAO, sorry if ruffling da fur. – – – Nutter.

namnibor
namnibor

Let’s not let the lunacy of the pending lunar eclipse divide us while snowflakes meltdown. Lunar events are also very influential on humans and animals.

Jst
Jst

I am holding rally to remove that horse from the VA. Don’t need a permit it’s federal property. Best no one get in our ways.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

AGENT G/Jst You can have that horse he was lame anyway….Hope you have better luck with him than i had.I wouldn’t try eating him he seemed perty tuff when i had him..ENJOY…LOL

Windguy
Windguy

Damn – this shit’s getting pretty tense. Makes me want to break out in show tunes…

The Inquisition, let’s begin
The Inquisition, look out sin
We have a mission to convert the Jews (Jew ja Jew ja Jew ja Jews)
We’re gonna teach them wrong from right
We’re gonna help them see the light
And make an offer that they can’t refuse (that the Jews just can’t Refuse)

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

To, namnibor, Lem and Nutter,
The following is my opinion, and only my opinion!

The only reason I mentioned that “Horse”, was because it’s a “monument”, or “statue”, placed there for some reason! Why, I don’t know! I just know a few things for sure!

A.) It’s had to cost the taxpayers something!
B.) It had to be approved by someone in that VHA!
C.) It had to be designed, then built by someone! Were the designer(s) and builder(s) related to someone at that VA?
D.) Was an interior designer responsible for that statue? If so, how much did that cost the taxpayers?

These types of wasteful spending has to stop! The VA wastes BILLIONS of taxpayers dollars each year! As do other government agencies!
For example; Are the “bean counters” still “funneling monies off to help representatives win elections?” As was recently reported, (even by the MSM’s), about that “…multi-million dollar slush fund Obama started at the DOJ to help “radical leftists’ liberal democrat groups!”
Sorry about facts getting in the way of what some folks want to believe!
And I’m not trying to start shit on here! These comments are mine, and mine alone.

Lem
Lem

I agree, it is not a proper display of the flag. But it has nothing to do with the dog whistle about “protecting history.”

Lem
Lem

And, by the way, I suspect the horse was there before the VA. It is probably a remnant of a U S Calvary Base Hospital that was turned over to the VA after WWII.

NiteWish
NiteWish

— The American Quarter Horse Association & local businesses are responsible for the Horse(s). The businesses buy the fiberglass horses for $3,000 the price includes the horse, a concrete slab, the installation, a plaque & the artist fee of $600 per statue. Each horse weighs about 125 pounds. One article mentions a Ms. Mary Solomon, who sands & paints the horses & spends anywhere from 2wks to 1month on each statue. They do something like this is my town but with cows & then auction them off.
Theres also loads of obituaries suggesting memorials be to Thomas E. Creek Dept of Veterans Affairs.
While looking into the horse I came upon the original news article dated 7/26/17 ~
“http://amarillo.com/local-news/news/2017-07-26/veteran-commits-suicide-front-amarillo-va-hospital”

cj
cj

@NiteWish: Well darn NiteWish, I never thought of it being fiberglass. I knew they could find a new use for those quarter operated plastic horses in front of the kmarts,. Not fancy enough to come from a Merry go round.

Hey wait a minute, Merry go round? VA? Perfect match, NiteWish, your a genius!!!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Crazy elf, @cj, @Wyldechylde, @Lem, @OLDMARINE – – – I hear you elf. Its just that if I don’t belief the same like some, then I’m a bigoted racist. Damn, that’s news to me. Help me here. Does this mean that my black friends, that I’m lying to my self, because I don’t believe in my heart and mind that they’re a friend of my in the first place?

See how this shit is complicated, confusing to some, and taken well overboard and out of place. Change the contents in the school books, so that we can manipulate our next generation, and lie to them. Sometimes, things are left alone to help us to remember what something shouldn’t be.

And, I have an issue of believing that the Pig Teachers Association will do an excellent job of describing this time period of our history. And, the truth of how and why it happened in the first place. No more dumbing down of America.

elf, I know how you feel, and you have nothing to apologize about. We need to always focus on what our goal is about the VA. And, to not waiver off from this. – – – Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

. . .

Dennis
Dennis

VA response to the nightmare;

…if you are in crisis, please call the Federal Government worker located maybe up to three thousand miles away who will cheerfully read to you from a pre-printed on screen script. This worker will likely have a good grasp of the english language but feel free at any time to press *#*5 to request an english speaking translator.

Please listen to the following menu as the options have changed;

Press 1 if you wake into full terrors and sweats as you drop off to sleep each night,
Press 2 if you have not slept for more than 15 minutes at a time for more than 5 years,
Press 3 if the nightmares you have every night were once real,
Press 4 if it terrifies you to step out the front door of your home,
Press 5 if the sunrise today felt cold and heartless.

To repeat these options, press * or stay on the line for the far away federal government worker trained to understand these things to become available to assist you.

…hold music then ….click….dial tone…..

The next headlines? Vet commits suicide. VA next response? Just call the federal government if you are in crisis….

Windguy
Windguy

Don’t forget, “And thank you for your service”

Jst
Jst

We r holding rally also to remove them there government phones. If

Flotmorton P Gildersleeve
Flotmorton P Gildersleeve

Well said, Dennis, i.e. they pile the B.S. on top of B.S., ….corporate minimind solutions. Like working in the pentagon or being some cog in the fed bureaucracy,…..more gibberish and then the corporate solution again…………………………………

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

With the VA number bending research who really believes that Veteran’s suicides are only 22 per day?

Here is another representation, of so called facts, presented by the VA. In one of their reports they show that suicide rates among Veterans using VHC are 24% more likely to commit suicide.

“Comparison of Suicide Rates Among Veterans Who Do and Do Not Use VHA Services, 2001–2014”
“In 2014, male VHA Veterans were only 24 percent more likely to die by suicide than male non-VHA Veterans. Similarly, excess suicide risk among VHA female Veterans decreased from 86 percent to 5 percent between 2001 and 2014.”

From page 23 of “Suicide Among Veterans and Other Americans 2001–2014, Office of Suicide Prevention, 3 August 2016”

“https://www.mentalhealth.va.gov/docs/2016suicidedatareport.pdf”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – In the past I researched and found that the number was around 22. But, in the back of my mind, I always thought that the number of suicides whether receiving treatment or not, that this number was skewed. Isn’t it strange, and how the VA uses their manipulation of numbers when they use percentages of a total sum, but yet the VA has been hesitant in publishing the EXACT numbers, and to also publish the TOTAL AMOUNT of Veterans that are receiving help through a VA program, plus the TOTAL AMOUNT of Veterans that aren’t in any VA programs.

The VA thinks that they’re slick huh? And they think they are pulling the wool over our eyes. Rat Basturds, all of them. Especially Retired Veterans who back up the VA’s bullshit. These people are the worst. – – – Nutter.

namnibor
namnibor

The only numbers the VA focuses utmost world class accuracy in are performance bonuses and ways to mathematically rip-off and scam taxpayer $$$ for relocation allotments.

Notice you never hear any public service announcements from the big piggy or otherwise VSO groups out there on our fellow Veterans dying off from Veteran Suicide?
The VA’s answer: Telemedicine and pharmaceutical blow darts and ice cream. Maybe all three combined at once.

namnibor
namnibor

Also, VA very tenacious about warning Veterans about travel pay fraud.

cj
cj

@Seymore Kearly: It’s a great question Seymore, I believe that like any Government agency, take unemployment for instance, that the numbers are greatly under reported, and the true number to be at least twice what we are being told. Even the links you posted say 24 percent of those “using the VA” nice slight of hand there. Now let’s add to the mix those Veterans that are suffering with extreme PTSD, are also homeless, and also neglected by the VA. The quack shrinks at the VA are under no obligation to actually treat any Veterans, in reality, at some locations they see as few as 2 Veterans per day. Isn’t that great? Yet Shithead Shill-kin, thinks the reason they do this at the VA, is so the Veterans family won’t find them? He should be fired this instant just for that answer. He belongs sharing a cell with Bubba.

Jst
Jst

Rally scheduled to remove all dose ICARE plaques. Too many vets pleasuring demselves on it.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

AGENT G/jst/RICH B .Here is some fluff for you….Why don’t you steal the whole building at the same time your getting the horse then you can leave the I-care on the wall’s…..You will be famous as the biggest heist in history and didn’t get away with it LOL…U could be a long lost myth in some grade school in another 300 yrs

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Oh and I see Shulkin has motivated Minneapolis VAMC to pull a few strings on getting the Veterans suicide rate to climb. Moving Veterans out to a virtual prison that is over crowded to house homeless Veterans. Insuring they cannot get jobs to get back on their feet or maintain a semblance of life as they know it.

“Veterans Affairs considers dumping Minneapolis veterans in Hastings against their will”
Monday, August 14, 2017 by Susan Du in News

“http://www.citypages.com/news/veterans-affairs-considers-dumping-minneapolis-veterans-in-hastings-against-their-will/439907013”

A special song dedicated to Shulkin: “https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmJbuvl1_O4”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

They have been working on this one for a while. They have prevented the facility from accepting new homeless Veterans and only running at less than 80%. That was to claim the cost to operate the facility doesn’t measure up to the Veterans helped.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

The VA doesn’t want to be fixed, …Want proof look at my hair..[NASA]
Both are a big funnel into the pockets of someone,They want us DEAD,.
The budget goes higher with no results, Shit rolls down hill so go beyond
and above the SHITCAN
And as for VA doctors they make no decisions it gets feed into a computer and lets AI figure it out, That’s why they ask you questions, while they are tapping on their computer, mine asks me does it burn when you urinate and I tell him yes, he says drink more water, I tell him I drink water all day long..But on his report it says no burning that’s why you get shitty results from the VA, he’s feed’s AI bogus shit..Did you ever hear your doctor say it will get kicked back out, that is bullshit also, he can override it but wont .RAND agrees propaganda its good for business

PROPAGANDA | FULL ENGLISH VERSION (2012)
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NMr2VrhmFI&feature=youtu.be”
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VAISLYING INC
VAISLYING INC

VA DEATHCARE ONE BIG BIG FEDERAL RICO CRIME RACKET RIN BY [email protected] FOR AFGE UNION CONTRACTS TRUMP SHUT THIS SATANIC DEMON CALLEC VA HEATHCRE DOWN NOW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Genius H Kennard
Genius H Kennard

We are getting very whimpy and completely separated from one another “brothers”, their needs to be a peaceful takeover of all VA facilities by us because civilian employees from the street are not cutting the mustard as far as helping us, from this moment forward only list what your MOS was and what you can do now on this blog so that we can write you a resume and get you a career at one the 3rd world VA’s. They are destroying what we need, Health Care and Benefits, tell all veterans NOW! Regardless of why he committed suicide i believe it was the medication that they issue. Don’t let this happen to another veteran!

PO
PO

EN1 USN.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Got a laugh a couple of minutes ago. The facility Maintenance Man knocked on our door. I thought my K9 was in the back room with the door being closed. When I answered the door to let the MM in, my boy bolted out from the back and put this man backed up almost to the door. Fortunately, when my boy ran towards the door, he had to go past me, so I grabbed him right before he was going to grab the MM.

Hey you fucking anal licking trolls, do you want to stop by and see me unannounced? Come on over, my boy needs to get the test of flesh in his mouth, so that he will ALWAYS know to protect my wife and I. Good boy my buddy. At least I was able to partially train my protector, due to the VA not backing my up by removing a medication that was proven to give me relief, so that I could get outside and train my K9. I’ll never forgive the VA for fucking up the bonding training that I had planned out.

One day, I’m going to print the whole story about what happened from my point of view. The VA’s uncompassionate and uncaring behavior has hindered my in many ways, that as a human being, a Veteran, and one that is trying my hardest to hold onto my faith, I will continue to strive in unusual ways, to put the spotlight on the VA, and to be as radical as I can.

You see, I can do this now. Why? Because I’ve already told the VA Staph, that I don’t give a fuck about your Corruptive Behavior Committee, your EPERS database, the fucking Veterans Court, the Police, or any other fucking Authority.

I have the damn proof of what is going on with my health. It me!!! If they are so concerned about my health, welfare, and well-being, then hey, I invite any one of them to come and visit me, then write and sign an evaluation report about their observations of me. Then they can compare their non-progress report to what the VA states. Guaranteed, there will be a dramatic differences of opinion in each report. Again, bring it on mother fuckers (VA).

You see, the VA will delay in sending me a real trained Medical Physician to my residence. But yet, they will send out a visiting Nurse contracted via a 3rd Party. The VA doesn’t want to put their signature on anything that shows that the fault is of the VA.

But no worries VA, I’m not your normal Veteran. I’m messed up, and I’ll mess you (the VA) up. There are many ways to do this without acting in a criminal manner. And believe me, many tactics have crossed my mind. There are other useful ways to embarrass the VA into change. Shit VA, you’re not fooling this Sailor. Kiss off you bitches (referring to a female dog). – – – Nutter.

Concerned Veteran
Concerned Veteran

Rise and Shine Veterans does anyone used the Choice Card for me to say it’s a mess especially in Veteran Medical Center in Manchester, New Hampshire to bad all Veterans can’t email just one Senators and Representative share our belief how to improve Veterans Healthcare but in any one reads who lived in New Hampshire tell me please let me know so we call bug the Shit out of our Senators and Representative our belief how to improve Veterans Healthcare.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Concerned Veteran- Unfortunately, our loving Representatives believe that the VA is fine. Or, they’re ignoring that the VA has problems. I tend to believe the latter. Their wimpy. – – – Nutter.

Concerned Veteran
Concerned Veteran

ANutterVet have you ever call your Senators and Representative share your beliefs how improve Veterans Health Care as for i won’t Surrender my belief hired at least one at any Veteran Medical Center a Cosmetic Dentistry Dentist that know how to put in G4implants unfortunately they have not one works for a Veteran Medical Center plus their isn’t not one has a contract with Veteran Affairs Admistratation.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Concerned Veteran, there is no way the VA will pay out over $30,000 for useful & needed implants when they can get dentures for $1,500. They just won’t pay.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Concerned Veteran,

Sorry that I have to tell you that Veterans Health care connected to the VAMC Manchester in New Hampshire just took a bad turn of the worse. On Monday, Gov. Chris Sununu signed an executive order allowing VA Health Care Providers to treat patients at outside facilities.

Most likely that will include all the Doctors, J1 Visa holders, Pharmacist, Nurses and Physician Assistants that act as Primary Care Physicians. Also, it means that not only will they not only be collecting a paycheck from the VA but they will no doubt be getting additional pay through the Veterans Choice Program.

Pretty sure these fake doctors will also be seeing Medicare and Medicaid patients. So not only are the Veterans in New Hampshire getting screwed, but anyone on any government health care plan is.

Source: “VA doctors to treat patients outside hospital; new town hall meeting scheduled”, Associated Press, Tuesday, August 15, 2017
“http://www.concordmonitor.com/VA-announces-town-hall-meeting-on-Manchester-facility-11879381”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

I would say that everyone should call the White House Veterans Help line and complain, but: “The Veterans Affairs Department pushed back the launch of its new White House VA Hotline by two months. VA needs more time so it can hire mostly veterans to answer hotline calls. The current pilot hotline is open Monday through Friday, 8 a.m. through 5 p.m. It’ll be a 24-hour operation no later than Oct. 15. (Department of Veterans Affairs)”

Source: “No sequestration for agencies this year”, By Eric White, August 15, 2017 8:24 am

“https://federalnewsradio.com/federal-newscast/2017/08/no-sequestration-for-agencies-this-year/”

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ANutterVet
ANutterVet

~ ~ ~ Double Gurgle ~ ~ ~

Windguy
Windguy

Choice is indeed a pain in the ass. The beltway hacks that run it and employ drones are there to save the VA money – for which they get a little vig. I have had success with Choice. Polite persistence. Most of those drones are happy to have a low paying job and will easily confess how messed up their own systems are. Appealing to the frustrated voice on the other end can work – not always. I know. We should not have to beg or cajole or con or curse.

I had another episode with Choice yesterday. After a few seconds of commiserating our “delight” with bureaucracies, she went to work. Yaah – I was on hold for 20 minutes. She’d check back every five and say “hang in there, I’m trying someone else at the VA (Roseburg Dennis). Finally, I’m on the line with Roseburg and Choice. Sure enough – the VA dropped the ball (or hid the weenie). Either way, I get my exam next week.

It’s too easy to compare the VA to some wretched DMV office when comparing bureaucracies and frustration levels. Besides, the DMV isn’t charged with providing me healthcare. But, in some ways its the same. You can always find a good American on the other end of the line. Keep digging. Don’t expect moonbeams and unicorns. We all run into pasty faced give a shit slob VA employee. I try to save my wrath for those who’ve made the policy decisions the keep the VA in clusterfuck mode.

Now that I’ve done my feel good deed for the day, I can get bitchy.

When we were finishing up with Choice and VA three way call, the Choice woman, perfectly programmed, said, “Ma’am, thank you for providing care for our veterans, and sir, thank you for your service”. Fuck me runnin. I went out and sparked one. (yes – legal or not, I still hide in the garage).

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – The ! ~ ~ ~ Double Gurgle ~ ~ ~ isn’t meant towards you, its for the VA, and our caring Politicians who are asleep at the wheel when it comes to the VA. Really getting sore and tired of this. – – – Nutter.

PO
PO

Shouldn’t be a mess choice. Dr puts authorization choice calls u pick or they pic and they schedule. Simple easy but dr has to start it.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Office of Accountability shows nothing for this VISN17 or is it VISN18 which has some removals. Seems like reviews are locked out on the Thomas E. Creek VA Medical Center website. Interesting.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Wonder why? Conspiracy. – – – Nutter.

Edward Blassingame
Edward Blassingame

The powers that be in the VA I hate to say would rather see veterans commit suicide rather than give them proper medical care. That means more fat bonus checks for them. Who ever came up with the idea to reward managers and supervisors for denying veterans disability and healthcare should be put in front of a firing squad with their cronies.

lily
lily

My therapist started to correct me in the sessions telling me not to use the word “fix” and the phrase “should have”. I read a bad therapist is a corrector. I think I’m going to pretty much ignore the person from now on but keep going until I can’t stand it. I’m just trying to create a record for my next C&P exam so they know I’m trying therapy. I don’t blame other vets for not feeling helped by therapy, it hasn’t helped me much either. This therapist was wearing golf shoes and socks too.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Did their nametag say. “Veterans first, right after me?”

NiteWish
NiteWish

What does Psychiatry & racism have to do with each other?
Watch this 3+hrs YouTube documentary & find out.
Psychology torture packaged as therapy.
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IpLxbg3LaI&list=WL&index=17&t=1894s”

Illegitimus Non Carborundum = Don’t let the bastards grind you down

Lo
Lo

Next rally is to have all head doctors removed. Bart Simpson will replace.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

The controllers have most of you right where they want you white against black.. democrats against
republicans they just love infighting .. and most of the people with statues where all traitors to the people but they brainwashed you into thinking they were hero’s …..now let me get back to working on my 4 wheeler black beer and a joint…..and thanks for the black beer tip LEM…..no pain meds, FUCK IT I do what i have to just keep pushing it , dizzy, fuck it I look up and smile and say drop me now…. don’t you know u got to shock the monkey….peter gabriel…LOL

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

When there is in fighting nothing gets done. And when something does get done, it was a longa timeh coming. – – – Nutter.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

look what just poped into my mailbox

WAKE UP, people! Alt-Left and Alt-Right are run by the same forces… the goal is “divide and conquer”
just what I have been saying…..Beer and a smoke anyone??…Come on namnibor time for a vacation?.LOL

Wednesday, August 16, 2017 by: Mike Adams
“http://www.naturalnews.com/2017-08-16-wake-up-people-alt-left-and-alt-right-are-run-by-the-same-forces-the-goal-is-divide-and-conquer.html”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE – – – Namnibor isn’t the only one that enjoys some fine cured kolas. Send me an untouched doggie bag. Just a little taste alright? – – – Nutter.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

all it is homegrown nothing special nice mellow shit …that strong shit kicks up my arthritis, and i stare at what i’m doing instead of doing..lol

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Even with a Sativa hybrid. Seems like you’re token on an Indica strain. – – – Nutter.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Pls stop. We’re in this together. Remember A computer program can be used for manipulating the nervous system of a subject located near a monitor can incite people to anger or calm them down. Someone from the silent majority of followers could very well be manipulating this site.[US patient US 20020188164 A1] AND because I’m aware of the tones the VA is using them when on hold with the telephone. The devil is in the details. Be smarter than the serpent.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@NiteWish – – – NiteWish – – – I’m seriously thinking about purchasing another Voice Interface Card (VIC), to copy my voice when calling the VA. Now I’m protected. – – – Nutter.

NiteWish
NiteWish

ANutterVet, that won’t help. The tones are embedded in the hold music. The one I got was calming. I know I’ve heard it before on youtube at some point. Namnibar is also familiar with tones. He can maybe explain how it all works.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

DAMN girl your nailing those base balls today……..TRUTH IS STRANGER THAN FICTION…..

cj
cj

Tone generators, and binaural beats, an infinite number of combinations, depending on the desired effect. Used also in ancient times by the high priests, to communicate with their Gods, by way of construction techniques, instead of tone generators.

Low battery warning.

Later Gators -!¡¡!-

namnibor
namnibor

Most of our music and everything we humans make that produces tones are all tuned at 440Hz. The human nervous system can be deeply relaxed by moving that frequency of tones to 432 Hz. A great deal of ambient music produced for assisting people to meditate or relax is indeed tuned to 432 Hz.
Too high of frequencies of sound can be weaponized and likely have been with CIA experimenting on…Veteran volunteers, as it also goes with the human brain and nervous system can also be easily manipulated via subliminal messages slipped between the fast-moving frames of film…it was SO successful in manipulating smokers and drinkers of soda to leave the movie and have a smoke or buy more concessions that the gov’t. studies supposedly made this type of manipulation (subliminal) against the law to be utilized.
Just like with those frames of film and subliminal messages tucked between them to manipulate the viewer, audio tones could just as easily have frequencies embedded with similar subliminal messages and that’s part of the recipe on how to make a Manchurian Candidate.
With that said, does *anyone* believe the VA would ignore the above with VA Telemedicine?
I don’t.

Let’s not let the lunacy of the pending lunar eclipse divide us while snowflakes meltdown.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Thank You Namnibor, I read somewhere that Oregon is activating its National Guard for crowd control for the Solar Eclipse.

namnibor
namnibor

Oregon already has activated their National Guard. Heard that on public radio this morning. However, I suspect that activation may also be anticipating probably violent protests and more monuments torn down by BLM…so the lunar eclipse comes in handy as an excuse to activate the hounds.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@NiteWish, @Namnibor – – – I’m very familiar with frequency or time periods of that reoccur over and over. A human cell can also be agitated and destroyed by certain level of frequencies. The apex (called another word) and trough of the period of time based off of sine waves.

Some one can make a lot of money by segmented marketing of a suit of products, that can protect us from all of these types of manipulations (witchcraft- my opinion, no adjustment suggestions needed or wanted, thank you). – – – Nutter.

namnibor
namnibor

And everything originates from…a sine wave. That’s the basis for Frequency Modulation Synthesis, it’s using multiple sine waves and “Operators” that multiply other frequencies…deep. But everything, down to that “”CLICK”” of flicking a switch in your vehicle or appliance or elevator…has been engineered by sound designers…usually for good intentions…usually…

I’m thinking the word “SNOWFLAKE” must have 100’s of since waves bouncing all over the place and it’s even more magnified during lunar events such as a lending alignment…Monday….think about it…we may just have to rename this Monday Lunar Eclipse as “The Snowflake Lunar Eclipse”. 🙂

(fuck your sensitivity)

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

NiteWish u are absolutely right, I have noticed in the past week something has been turned up

NiteWish
NiteWish

OldMarine, it started hard with the “G’ troll. Look into this letter & its meanings. We’ve been set up that much is true.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

NiteWish ….your right and I get the G thing…..Just the results they wanted…..But it did come to it’s senses….
Testing our reactions that is it….When the hammer falls everyone will be a-maze-d ….LOL

NiteWish
NiteWish

OldMarine, I can hope its come to pass. ‘they’ didn’t count on me to find them out & rat them out. I feel them lurking, planing phase 2.

namnibor
namnibor

@OLDMARINE- 🙂 🙂 LMAO 🙂 🙂 “G Flat, the flatter the better…” LMAO 🙂 🙂

Thanks, I really REALLY needed that!!! 🙂

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Good…..I crack up on the shit when it pops into my head…u got to amuse yourself,,,LOL…

Windguy
Windguy

G Sting. Check a little further into Snowflake beyond Schindler. Indeed, the Nazis referred to the ash, and therefore their victims as snowflakes. However, the wider spread use of the term was in the Soviet Union. It started with Russian Jews, and then was used to refer to real or perceived enemies of the state – particularly during Stalin’s years, but well beyond. Funny how the phrase showed up in the last election… ssppppst – maybe it was the Russians..

Yours truly, Cliff Fucking Clavin

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Since their not passive, we don’t need to passive as well. They’ll run all over us. And, it has happened before. Repeater again? – – – Nutter.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Enough of you, Vert.

Dennis
Dennis

Is it true what I overheard that VA Sec. Shulkin has resigned?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

No such luck Dennis.

It might have to do with the following though.

“Indigenous veterans president blames ‘snowflakes’ for move to oust him”
Fellow veterans call Richard Blackwolf’s Facebook posts ‘disgusting’
By Jason Warick, CBC News Posted: Aug 16, 2017
“http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/saskatoon/bid-to-oust-indigenous-veterans-president-gains-momentum-1.4249649”

“Richard Blackwolf is blaming a liberal conspiracy and overly sensitive “snowflakes” for the effort to remove him as president of the Canadian Aboriginal Veterans and Serving Members Association.”

NiteWish
NiteWish

“In the armed forces, we are all equal. As veterans, we should all be equal” Steven Ross, grand chief of the Saskatchewan First Nations Veterans Association, Canada

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Sometimes I wonder is trollee G, is someone else, only giving his writing a nice shine job to stay in hiding. Just a thought. – – – Nutter.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Yes a dumbed down version

namnibor
namnibor

A “G Flatter” version. LMAO! 🙂 (still laughing at that comment of yours)

G of the flatulence flat.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – – – I just caught this (no dah). Ole comes up with some good short liners. – – – Nutter.