Does New VHA Head Have Antisocial Personality Disorder?
New VHA head Dr. David Shulkin recently told the Legion he would be “very focused on telling good things of VA” because “nobody’s been doing it.”
Nobody has been doing it? Is this guy hiding under a rock? Is he ignorant of VA’s huge $25 million per year propaganda machine? How can he ignore the clear harm the agency has caused those it is supposed to care for while cheerleading the agency like a member of the pompon squad of a basketball team at half time.
The Washington Times cited David Shulkin as saying:
“I’m going to be very, very focused on telling good things of the VA. Nobody’s been doing that and we need to focus on good things as well,” he said.
In a speech to the Legion, under secretary David Schulkin claimed his job was to essentially proselytize for the Department of Veterans Affairs. Perhaps he thinks his job is to become the Jesus Christ of Veterans Affairs during its most unpopular period in American history — kind of like cheering for the underdog — rather than encourage agency employees to shape up or ship out.
Dr. Shulkin admitted that problems within the VHA had been building for some time but he highlighted only the things the agency was doing right while deflecting serious conversation over fraud committed by VA employees.
But like most things VA, Dr. Shulkin’s response is similar to those with Antisocial Personality Disorder. In fact, if VA were a singular person, they would be locked-up in one of their own psych wards.
According to Mayo Clinic, a person with antisocial personality disorder acts exactly like our Federal government as exemplified by VA officials and their antisocial responses to problems:
Antisocial personality disorder is a type of chronic mental condition in which a person’s ways of thinking, perceiving situations and relating to others are dysfunctional — and destructive. People with antisocial personality disorder typically have no regard for right and wrong and often disregard the rights, wishes and feelings of others.
Those with antisocial personality disorder tend to antagonize, manipulate or treat others either harshly or with callous indifference. They may often violate the law, landing in frequent trouble, yet they show no guilt or remorse. They may lie, behave violently or impulsively, and have problems with drug and alcohol use. These characteristics typically make people with antisocial personality disorder unable to fulfill responsibilities related to family, work or school.
Based on reports from Phoenix VA and most other problems within VA health care, VHA is a dysfunctional agency were its aggregate agency treatment of veterans should be defined as antisocial.
So what does that say for VA officials like David Shulkin who intentionally defy reality in support of those who harm veterans without remorse or accountability?
Any person who defies such reality must be antisocial.
Unfortunately for us, it looks like Shulkin intends to be more of a cheerleader than a true leader of an agency that would be locked up if its misdeeds were perpetrated by just one person. Obviously the move is propagandist in nature, and hopefully America will soon be educated on exactly what her taxpayers are funding.
He is either a typical liar or suffering from antisocial personality disorder. Otherwise, I can think of no middle ground that explains his defiance of reality and human experience.
Perhaps thinking of VA through this lens – that its agents are suffering from antisocial personality disorder – will help veterans better calibrate their expectations of agency officials moving forward?
Apparently Dr. David Schulkin, doesn’t know what we have gone through, he is another, nit wit who knows nothing nd just goes on what gossip tells him it seems
each time there is a change we are assigned a bigger dummy who knows nothing, an empty can makes the most noise and that’s exactly what we get, nothing but empty cans who are led by the nose like a bull.
Where are they finding these doctors; they must be veterinarians they surely are not
doctors qualified for humans they must be rejects from medical school.
I understand what you’re saying, but I wouldn’t insult a veterinarian. Seriously I have to agree, the doctors in and around the VA appear to be looking for an easy job that pays well. When you have directors, say of Tucson VA, that makes over $200K and pulls down a bonus of near $100K, you can’t get their attention.
Given the unfair and unconstitutional way veterans are ‘labeled’ by the VA through the ABUSE of VHA DIRECTIVE 2010-053 , and the seeming inability of those sitting on the committee to comprehend a document that was written at an eighth-grade reading level, it should be plain to all that the system is NOT working in our favor. All military understand DIRECTIVES, probably better than most at the VHA, however unfortunate, it appears that we veterans must know their rulebook/rules of engagement but only to find ourselves with our records flagged by a faceless psychiatrist making in excess of $200K.
Federal employee salaries are PUBLIC RECORD, and if you’re interested to know how much your providers make then follow the link: https://governmentsalarydata.com
Be careful about expressing the available information, you WILL, like I, end up with your record flagged DESPITE your not being an ‘immediate’ threat as laid out in the directive.
I hate to put it this way; know your enemy.
If the VA is doing SUCH a great job, then why exactly is there now 29 Veterans infected with Legionnaire’s Disease and a 4th Veteran JUST DIED at the Quincy, Illinois Veteran Home/Care Facility?
Google it. Here’s the copy and paste of rather short article:
“[QUINCY, Ill. — The Illinois Department of Public Health is reporting a fourth death from Legionnaires’ disease after an outbreak at a western Illinois veterans’ home.
The new case increases the number of residents contaminated at the Quincy veterans’ home to 29. An agency spokeswoman confirmed the recent fatality to The Associated Press on Monday.
Legionnaires’ disease is a severe form of pneumonia, with lung inflammation usually caused by infection. Most people get it from inhaling the Legionella bacteria, which is not transmitted from person to person.
The outbreak was first reported last week. Tests to determine the source of the outbreak continue.]”
Please try to spin this any other way than the fact that they definitely are NOT doing the right thing there and we hear of these legionnaire’s outbreaks at VA locations way too often…fact!
Just how much money is the VA saving by allowing this to spiral out of control?????
If the VA is doing SUCH a great job, then why exactly do we hear of this happening way too often combined with the initials, VA?
29 now infected, 4th has now died, all Veterans at a Veteran’s Home/Care Facility, of Legionnaire’s Disease OUTBREAK in Quincy, Illinois.
Here’s the link: https://wgntv.com/2015/08/31/4th-legionnaires-disease-death-at-illinois-veterans-home/
How about this novel idea:
How about the VA/VHA conducting a State-by-State “Town Hall” in which every Veteran can and will be kept anonymous and let actual VETERANS give the REAL HEALTH REPORT of the VA???? No spin…from the horses mouth, so-to-speak…and see how the horse’s rear-end likes the truth all out in the open.
Will never happen, will it?!
Beware of Ben Carson, the Dr. running for President. I think he would want to eliminate the VA **and** any responsibility for Disability Comp or otherwise…everything in the little he has actually talked about veterans has been negative. he is yet another get-rich-while-we-privatize-everything-buffoon. Nothing less.
I think the *only reason* he even said *anything* about the VA is because he saw and heard Donald Trump as the only one actually showing care for Veteran’s Issues…kind of a monkey see monkey do kind of thing…nothing more, nothing less.
namnibor, I only put Ben Carson’s name on here so all would be aware of what he’s spouting.
Breaking News from
The Tampa Tribune
Mon. Aug. 31, 2015
“Angry billboard brings national VA protest to Haley center”
by, Howard Altman | Tribune Staff
published Aug. 31, 2015
Google the article. VA spins a great web of lies and deceit.
Ron says he’s going to put up more.
Thanks for the info on the billboards. I think Republican Pres. Candidate Dr. Ben Carson is another card in the pile of tricks to try to end Obama Care…and Ben Carson tries to make people think he has some “unique perspective” in which Obama Care should be ended…he has that “god syndrome” that MANY Dr.’s and surgeons can acquire.
We need these billboards up in every State. Hey, perhaps if these VSO’s want some form of redemption they should help fund these billboards to show they really are not in bed with VA.
the guy is a liar. He actually dropped out from being an active doctor some time ago to become an “entrepreneur” who created some kind of website that rates medicine or doctors or something that’s not used much by anyone. He was actually involved in this for some years way back when (look up his bio). Nobody understands this guy. He somehow got back into medicine as a practicing physician and became the “president” of Morristown Hosp.- one of four facilities that comprise Atlantic Healthcare Sys. Although Morristown is a good facility, it is good without him before he came aboard. Now he is chosen for the VA. And don’t tell me he is doing this for altruistic reasons. Entrepreneurs are entrepreneurs to make money. Your personality doesn’t change. All the chub heads say how wonderful he is because they are on guard for themselves and have to say such nice things. Meantime, nobody knows what he is about …but we are starting to learn….and it ain’t too good.
If he is anti-veteran that is enough for me, I do not have to know what constitutes his mental capacity or better stated incapacity.
Ben Carson: ‘We don’t need a Department of Veterans Affairs’
Interesting stuff to say the least.
I PUT BEEN WHEN IT WAS TO BE “BEN.” I HAVE BEEN AT THIS GAME FOR AWHILE WITH THE VA. WHEN I SAY IT DOES’T FEEL RIGHT AND I AM RIGHT? OH MAN, MY DOCTOR KNEW MY LOOK OF I AM IN THIS TILL THE END.
NOW FOLKS WE ALL SEEM TO AGREE WE HAVE AN ISSUE HERE DO WE NOT?
LET ME SEE IF MY FRIEND IS STILL IN FL BUT HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED THOSE WHO WOULD BACK VETERANS AND DO COMMERCIALS OF HOW OUR TREATMENT REALLY IS AT THE VA? WE ALSO HAVE ELECTIONS COMING UP. THIS COULD BE THE KISS OF DEATH TO ANY ELECTED OFFICIAL UP FOR ELECTION OR “WHAT YOU WILL BE REMEMBERED AS YOUR LAST ACT AS A SITTING DUCK.”
TRUST ME, BEEN THERE AND DONE THAT!
YOU KNOW YOUR FACEBOOK ROOM MOCKED MY MICHAEL MOORE GET IN THIS PICTURE? DO YOU THINK IT IS FUNNY THAT BECAUSE OF THE IDIOTS I HAVE DEALT WITH TO DATE GEE HEART RATE 122? I RUN A SINUS BRADY WHICH IS UNDER 60. MY BLOOD PRESSURE? ALWAYS LOW. GEE, MY SPINAL SURGEON I TOLD HIM THAT MY PAIN REALLY MAXED MY B/P. HE STARTED USING THAT AS A TOOL IN HIS OFFICE. I GOT ALL THE DAMN DRUG WEIGHT OFF, A WHOLE LOT OF WEIGHT LIKE 120 POUNDS+? THAT PERSON WHO UM LIKE DUH YOUR TRAINING A FEMALE STUDENT “WHO KNOWS” NOT NORMAL? TAKE IT AGAIN, 5 MINUTES OF GEE COULD LIKE DIE FROM STUPID?
SO INSTEAD OF BITCHING ABOUT IT THE ONLY WAY YOU CAN GET ANYONE TO DO PUBLIC ANNOUNCEMENTS REGARDING THE DILEMMA VETERANS FACE IS SPREADING IT VIA TV. SINCE PEOPLE ARE INTO THE TUBE FEEDINGS-GEE SOUNDS LIKE A WIN WIN IF YOU ASK ME! BUT YOU NOW HAVE MY THOUGHTS!
I WOULD PUT MORE FAITH IN MY PRIEST OR RABBI BEFORE USING ANY OF THE PETRI-DISH NOT WORKING FOR VETERANS! ( OH AND WHEN I SAY TAKE THE STAND AND IT WOULD BE A SHAMING MOMENT! YUP! AS STATED FASTER THAN A TEN STEP DANCE!)
Sine you are discussing mental disorders you will have to include the VA OIG, HE HAS ANTISOCIAL BEHAVIORS, VA IG SHE SEEMS TO LACK CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF A 7TH GRADE STYLE WRITING ( GEE MAYBE BECAUSE I WAS CA SCHOOLS? CERTAINLY TOOK CLASSES THE SOUTH DIDNT HAVE) SHE SEEMS TO HAVE A NARCISSIST TYPE OF BEHAVIOR, I DEFINITELY FEEL SHE HAS A PSYCHOPATHIC TENDENCIES BIG TIME AND DEFINITELY THE “PARANOIA” SHOWS UP WHEN I HAVE UTAH CALLS THEN GUESS WHAT? I FIND THE FBI ON MY DAMN PHONE! THIS DOCTOR? CAN WE SAY UM LIKE BUDDY ARE YOU INTO “SHROOMS?”
LET ME THINK, “OH AND BECAUSE I CAN DO HEAD GAMES WELL? SCREWED YOU GOT AND I SAY “OSCAR EARNED!” BUT YOUR TAGGING MY ELDERLY AUNT? YOU BETTER HAVE A DAMN GOOD EXCUSE BECAUSE WE ARE NOT A FEEBLE MINDED FAMILY!
NOW BEN, DO YOU WANT TO KNOW THE REAL SHIT I HAVE DEALT WITH BECAUSE I AM DETAIL ORIENTED! I TAKE NOTES AND THEY WANT WHAT I HAVE BECAUSE IT SHALL PROVE THEY THINK GAME? BRING IT, BUT YOU BETTER BE PREPARED TO BE SCHOOLED ON MY RIGHTS AND DAMN STRAIGHT UP STUPID EXISTS WHEN YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN THE WORD “HEALTH.”
JUST FYI SO YOU ALL ARE AWARE THAT THE VA GETS MOST RESEARCH DOLLARS FOR PTSD. GEE, A UNIVERSITY STUDY AND JAMA STATES VA ISN’T WORKING! BUT GIVE YOU VA INDUCED PTSD, LIE TO COPS, DOESN’T MENTION DISABLED NOR DOES SHE HEAR NOT SUICIDAL UPSET, NEED TO RELAX ON MY HEATING PAD BECAUSE SO CALLED OPIOID ADDICT WITH PSYCH ISSUES? DEFINITELY FLUNKED PHARMACOLOGY IF YOU CANNOT READ ALLERGIES? MY PSYCH ISSUE? MAJOR BITCH, DAMN SMART, HAS GAME AND OH BOY CAN WE SAY THOSE WHO WOULD TESTIFY WILL SHAME THEM TO PIECES! WOULD YOU LIKE TO HEAR BECAUSE OF A MAJOR FUCK UP DOCTOR CANNOT READ THE NOTATIONS AT ALL.? FUNNY, I GOT OFFERED A CHOICE CARD BECAUSE I MENTION MY HERITAGE? SHORTLY THERE AFTER BEEN YOU POSTED OH SO NOT WORTHY OF ANY TITLE AT ALL TELLING CONGRESS THEY NEED MORE MONEY? I LAUGHED! WHEN I SAY EXPANSIVE BACKGROUND DON’T WAKE IT BECAUSE LIKE I TOLD MY AUNT-“I SEE OR LEARN IT ONCE-I’M THE BOMB-THE SHIT STICKS.” ITS A FAMILY JOKE BUT A DAMN TRUTH AS WELL.
AMAZING IS WHEN I JUST WANT TO ASK QUESTIONS AND A SUICIDE PREVENTION PERSON AND GIVES ME A SCOLDING? DO YOU THINK I WAS NICE NICEY BACK? “IT IS TEXAS AND IN TEXAS IF YOU SO MUCH AS STEP ON MY GRASS REMEMBER TEXAS CAN DO! I WOULD CALL THE COPS BUT YOU BETTER HOPE THEY GET HERE FAST. ( GEE. LIKE DATED A NAVY SEAL? STILL GOT MOVES! IT WOULD BE QUICK AND DOWN YOU GO WITH ME!)
WHEN YOU HAVE TO EXPLAIN THAT THE PHYSICAL HEALTH AND MENTAL HEALTH THE KEY WORD IS “HEALTH?” GEE. SHE HAD NO CLUE BODY FIRST. SEE THEY DO NOT WANT TO ADMIT SCREWED UP THEY DID. BECAUSE I CANNOT EAT SOLID FOODS AND IT AINT COOL TO PUNCH ON YOUR STOMACH. A SHOWER? QUICK AND THAT IS IT. YUP FOLKS! I CAN SAY SO FAR I SEE NOTHING BUT FUCKED UP!
I AM DAMN READY TO LEAVE THIS PLACE AND GO BACK ACROSS THE POND!
THEY LACK! JUST READ SCHOLARLY ARTICLES WORTHY OF NOTING THE VA NEEDS TO GO. TRUST THIS-NO CIVILIAN DOCTOR LIKES THE VA! FACT AND CHECKED!
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The Ashley Madison website is saying, “Everything is alright” and they have signed up “90,000 (ninty thousand) women” and more men.
Guess lots of people are curious OR their tired of their spouse.
To Don, I believe in free speech, without having to get. Beat up for it. But, wow… The VA has been treated vets a long time. They aren’t getting better. I feel I have been in the a war for ever. Personally, I really am just looking for peace.
I thought his job was to defend the health and welfare of the veterans being cared for by the VHA, not defending the very often poor service provided. This just goes to show that nothing in this system really ever changes. Really sad!
It will only stop when veterans and taxpayers stand up and demand change. That means the “people” (Plural) have to do what is required of them.
Throughout history the only time things change is when the “Masses” demand it. This government we have needs a wake-up call. We have the “right” and “duty” under our Constitution to “Peacefully Assemble” to demand that change.
Someone on here once said it would be a hardship on most to travel to Washington D.C. I agree. Yet, there’s many hospitals and clinics where “Demonstrations” could take place. They did it in Detroit recently. Why can’t we use this “Social Media” instrument in our hands right now. To get one day. Just one day before the New Year to put the word out.
What do y’all think?
VA Police reaction to veterans who assert their rights! https://youtu.be/-f3CFzahrRs
A very clear FUCK YOU to veterans from Shulkin. VA is not even trying to fix problems, they are fighting a PR war against veterans.
Veterans are winning, somewhat.
Have you gone on “VAwatchdog”? There’s a new article where Denver is refusing to give a news channel, (9, I believe), info about where they are denying veterans claims over TBI & PTSD with unqualified medical staff. Just like they did in Minneapolis.
Hope McD and all the other pukes gets the can soon!
I also heard that physician who’s running for President, has said he’s wanting to get rid of the VA. He wants to put it under the DOD. He’s saying it would save taxpayers billions. I think it came out in a Newsmax article. I got it this morning.
The physicians name is Ben Carson.
I wonder, if VA came under the DOD, would they then fall under the UCMJ?
If so, that might be an interesting turn of events.
Surprising Myths & Facts About Antisocial Personality Disorder https://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2013/04/06/surprising-myths-facts-about-antisocial-personality-disorder/
The Correlates of Comorbid Antisocial Personality Disorder in Schizophrenia
Mystification, Confusion & Conflict
SHALL I GET MY DSM OUT AND WE CAN GO OVER EACH CANIDATE AND ANY OTHER OFFICIAL IN OFFICE? YOU DO NOT WANT THE VA UNDER OR WITHIN THE DOD. IF THEY ARE IN A PUBLIC SERVICE POSITION AND “RETIRED” I DO NOT THINK THE UCMJ WOULD APPLY. ( CHECKED WITH MY LIVE IN MAN CAVE GUY!) YES, I STATED HE HAS A MAN CAVE. EVEN A MINNESOTA VIKINGS SIGN THAT STATES “MAN-CAVE.” THAT CHANGED TO HE WAS CANTANKEROUS? UM I DO HAVE A DICTIONARY OVER A 100 YEARS OLD MAYBE WE COULD PLAY WORD GAMES? BUT THEN PICTURES ARE WORTH A THOUSAND WORDS? I HAVE MY “SEWING CAVE AND THAT DAMN THING IS UPSTAIRS AND DOWN STAIRS!” I RULE I GUESS ON SPACE?
ANYTIME THEY DO A NUMBER LIKE “CANTANKEROUS” WITH ITALICS YOU ARE EMPHASIZING THAT IS THE WORDS I STATED. GEE, IN MY VA RECORD TOO!
I HOWEVER BELIEVE AS IN NATURE: “SEE SNAKE, CUT HEAD OFF SNAKE, IF NOT INTO EATING THAT SNAKE THEN ITS VULTURE FOOD.” A WIN-WIN FOR THE ECO-SYSTEM! ( VETERANS TOO!) :-O
GEORGE WASHINGTON RESIGNED HIS COMMISSION BEFORE HE WENT INTO OFFICE. THIS IS TO ME THE ONLY WAY ANYONE WHO HAS SERVED AND RETIRED FROM THE SERVICE SHOULD NOT BE GETTING TOO MANY TAX DOLLARS ESPECIALLY NOTING NOT WORTHY OF A UNIFORM SINCE THEY FORGOT TO GO DOWN THE YELLOW BRICK ROAD AND ASK THE GREAT OZ FOR A BRAIN!
YUP! IMAGINE 250+ ON MY BACK AND MY LEFT HAND PUT ON THE TOP OF MY HEAD. I NEVER THREATENED THEM, BUT I BELIEVE IF I FOIA AND PETITIONS SENT OUT WE WOULD FIND I STATED ANYONE COMES IN DEMON AINT PICKY ABOUT HER MEAT! I WENT TO THE DOOR SHE IS MY SHADOW AND EVEN TONE LOUD ENOUGH THEY CAN HEAR ME. I WAS SAYING IF I OPEN THIS DOOR ( GLASS DOOR) SHE MIGHT BITE YOU. SHE IS 75 POUNDS AND SHE CAN KNOCK ME DOWN-DID THEY NOTICE LEANING ON THE DAMN WALL? I STATED I WAS FINE BUT YOU HAVE TO SET OFF THE DAMN SECURITY DOG! YOUR BUSTED! WORSE? YOU SHALL HATE IT WHEN FRIENDS I HAVE WILL STATE UM WRONG ANSWERS!!! WORSE? WHEN A COP MAKES FUN OF ME? GUESS WHAT? AS STATED, “I AM THE BOMB THE SHIT JUST STICKS!” I BELIEVE THE TERM USED IS PHOTOGRAPHIC MEMORY!!!
DO NOT ASK ME WHY, LORD ONLY KNOWS IT DROVE MY MOM NUTS BUT I SAY FAIR TRADE BECAUSE SHE DROVE ME NUTS WITH THE SAME DAMN SONG AT 6a.m. THE HAWAIIAN WEDDING SONG! ( BUT I WAS ALWAYS RIGHT TOO AND THAT ONE DROVE HER REALLY NUTS-BUT THE BEST WEAPON TO USE IS IF YOU DO NOT BEHAVE GRANDMA IS DRIVING!)
I DO APOLOGIZE FOR ALL CAPS IT HAS TO DO WITH THAT LOVELY FIBROMYALGIA AND PROBABLY A GOOD KNOCK DOWN ON MY HEAD! EVEN GLASSES IT STILL SUCKS!
thank you Tell
I know nothing about this guy. And I know nothing about his “Anti-Social disorder”
But (In Order To) Qualify for this Job, definitely, has an “anti -Veteran Disorder”
PS: REMEMBER “Condemned will be the Nation who will neglect, its Veterans”
In all honesty and truth, fact. All the heads and high paid officials and bureaucrats with the VA are, and have to be, total sadist psychopaths compounded by uncaring evil tortuous personality disorders that cannot comprehend English, nor have the ability to care for other human beings. Just about the VA agenda, lies and self service, period. They fit in well with Indiana’s politicians top to bottom, media, and all the cowards connected with it all. Like DC they are the worse of the worst.
That is all we hear here in Indiana. How perfect and “excellence” of VA care and the Roudebush VA hospital. My past two PCPs have judged me, accused me of things, compare us all to each other like good little socialist, change meds, etc., without even reading our medical files. Read one of their news letters they put out for staff and it’s nothing but propaganda, lies and deceit. And lightly, yet intensely informing their staff how to act and what not to do in front of veterans, to not talking shop in elevators, etc. I left my local town’s CBOC for the hospital and it’s been nothing but bad bad bad to down-right pathetic chock full of professional medical misconduct and with union staff (SEIU) and others who do nothing but defend their work-mates. I have been waiting months to hear from Patient Advocates and to get the new yearly needed prescriptions (now yearly hundred miles drive to keep up with each clinic used) for my meds and medical devices. They call it getting a “consult from our PCP” which is now required on that basis which has done nothing but put more patients on hold, over-load the PCPs with unneeded yearly paper-work and unnecessary visits for issues that will never change but remain the same, but they feel the need to pressure up and stress the vets and system.
I have talked to several clinics, advocates, etc. After telling my new East Indian doctor telling me a bunch of nonsense and about other nations or the evils of pain meds, or what I need and don’t, even without knowing one single thing about me other than their stupid pee and blood test, period. She knew nothing else about me but whined about having well over a thousand patients and have on pain meds that she had to stop. Nothing else mattered to her. Then after our allotted 15 min visit she said to go to the new pain clinic which I did. Only to hear threats, and ultimatums. I later called and told the new pain MD that i am not going to play the game and sign any contracts with them about anything. She, another foreigner, told me she seen no reason to take me off the low dose meds. But since I had a calm heart to heart with my new PCP I have heard nothing else and can nothing done to date. Nothing. I have called countless times and not one person will call me back. Made several calls and with raised voice told one laughing secretary to change my clinic and PCP today. I was given another name and number and weeks later still nothing and calling or writing back is useless. This is what we get when we try to advocate and protect ourselves. Especially from young MDs who don’t care a thing about us but to obey the VA way and agendas. I was warned when leaving the local CBOC that the women there were close and don’t appreciate back-talk or questions from men. They were right on. Things have not been the same since leaving the Humana CBOC contracted VA system.
It seems to me all they are doing is creating all the stress and upset they can. Yes, a big test and game to them while bragging about their “excellence.” Sad thing is I am not alone in this and seen combat vets have to sit and go through this crap and when I stood my ground and had to defend myself, the staff just got worse and the speaker or class technician just got nastier and more rude and demanding.
I have been trying to figure out how to turn some people in for professional misconduct but not finding it easy to get information about much here in this corrupt state. Today I plan on calling the governor but I doubt that will do any good since other vets have said they have and are going through the same thing I am, to no avail. Media, vet groups, politicians, etc., none seem to care but would rather go into protection and defend mode and not want to get involved or be known. I also gather the vet groups and media must think it’s okay for the VA to give ultimatums to vets and force them to sign agreements to do over the top stuff, and to be ‘forced to take SSRIs and etc., for pain instead of pain meds which to me is dangerous and pathetic. Especially since we tried their great lies before and had horrible results, yet they claim they can force us, by contract, to use them against our will in exchange for pain meds, no choices given.
So that’s it in a nutshell since we have no real media in this controlled and censored state, and since so many vets seem to have no problems it doesn’t excuse the many that do. Especially when dealing with new PCPs every year or more.
The big picture is one very sad one. National news doesn’t care either. They’d all rather report the Kardashians or Bruce or some kitty and doggy story. Oh well keep on truckin’ but it’s getting damn old and tiresome.
Have a good day out there, or try to.
Tell, find out which of those doctors are licensed in Indiana and file a complaint with the medical licensing board. Send a registered copy to the State Attorney General. Indiana was the state to get rid of Robin Paul the idiot in the Poly Trauma Rehab Clinic that sent out cartoons of vets offing themselves.
My husband got dental work approved after filing against the head of the dental clinic. The VA initially refused to send evidence to the Indiana board.
Baghdad Bob McDonald and his ilk like the blonde bimbo Hickey will never fix the VA. They are part of the problem. The states have the power to suspend medical licenses for poor performance and are more easily subject to veterans rath at the polls if they do not.
Thanks for the info. I have tried to contact our states AG and they said it’s not political or them to blame.The VA staff and so-called ‘advocates’ told me it was the “Republican’s fault” and to contact the AG. I spoke with someone else who answers the phone not the AG. Not easy to talk to the top dogs in this state. Anyway, the AG’s office sec told me to go to the AMA and Medical Licensing Board which I did weeks ago. Said not to bother the AG and they’ve had countless calls over the issue and more. Still nothing from the med boards but one un-named email referring to me as a doctor wanting info on the new AMA drug laws and about mis-conduct. Nothing yet, no forms have been mailed for me to fill out as said. The info they sent me was really nothing but pages and pages of internet links of “Amendments” to all the medical laws and boards in Indiana. Total insanity to try to go through all of it and nothing relevant to be found yet. Just ‘amendments.’ Then again I am told to keep calling the AG, it’s all their fault. It’s the typical back and forth and run around I get in Vigo county, Indiana and dealing with about everything.
I too am having those dental issues. First instead of driving hundreds of miles I was told to see a local dentist. I did and had the X-rays and exams. Now I am told the VA said no I am to drive to the hospital clinic instead. Again I get the months of back and forth, passing the buck. I have waited over two years for this. Also since I have artificial joints in my body I am to, and always have, had to use anti-biotics to prevent damage to the joints. My new PCP denied this request and then started ignoring me since I told her staff about her being the first MD to ever tell me ” You don’t need antibiotics for dental work.” That is how little they know or care about us. As I told the nurse and secretary and demanded a change in clinics for PCP, again. Since then all I am getting is total disregard, silence, no call backs, or excuses or being told to constantly contact the Advocates office which I have for months, to be dismissed, Having talked to countless other people and offices not one person will contact me by phone or E-vet. If by E-vet I am told the advocate thing again and again.
It’s that way with everything. The VA takes their X-rays and tests, then if I go to a civilian MD they again take their own saying they don’t trust or accept VA images and testing. So I end up doing twice or more X-rays and testing to get anything done. I fell a couple of years ago with bad hips and knees and after being X-rayed and MRI’d, I never heard a word back from the VA for months. I went to a local civy MD on my own. Same thing over another injury the VA new PCP just dismissed as impossible. I merely moved my arm and tore a rotator cuff. All the PCP wanted to do is seemingly argue about how it happened or how lame the injury sounded since I wasn’t doing anything or lifting, just moving it when it caught and popped..
IF I could afford it I’d flee the VA system but the civy docs are out for profit too and have their own set of games to play, plus the Medicare games. So I dunno. Been trying to de-stress so I can call the governors office of vet affairs and see if I can receive more VA and local political threats and retribution. This state is one huge joke to deal with. Especially if we are on our own and not affiliated with any town or state cliques and with their gossip and local corruption seem to know all about me. Mainly because I am not a Democrat and don’t agree with local corrupt politics, like that should mean much, but it does here. And why our city council members should not have the info on us they do, or play silly kid games using our names on forums to draw negative attention to us, or as par to fthe game of CBOC connected ties with the city for some pay backs for negatives against the locals and the VA. Because here, nothing negative is allowed, period. No truth, no grievances, we are to pretend we live in happy land in a college town that hates truth and non-conformity. Very sad.
Hiring a local attorney here is also out of the question and the cost prohibitive Too much corruption as stated and too much “Professional Courtesy” they claim and many not wanting to get involved, or to even discuss it much at all. That is the truth about Terre Haute and Indiana. Not many negatives to be Googled and found about this town or state. Most of it and any will be quickly removed and censored. So far, not here though.
It’s good to hear you have had success at filing a complaint with your states medical licensing board. I would like to hear more detail on how the VA reacted to all that, and what the final disposition of the complaint was. I truly believe if this is a successful course of action (filing a complaint), it will get the VAs attention like no other issue.
As for this PR wanna-be, the first step to fixing a problem is admitting there is one. Continuing to cover up a polished turd won’t make the stink go away. If he truly believes all he has to do is issue glowing press releases, then the entire VA PR staff should be fired. $25 million saved right there. If he does think issuing glowing press releases will fix VAs problems, then vets should be ready to contact media in their areas with the facts.
IF YOU STATE THEY LIE AND CHANGED YOUR ANSWERS? YOU GET A FOLLOW UP CALL OF WOULD YOU? LOOK, DO NOT ASK ME WOULD I THAT TO ME IS “CANNOT FIX STUPID.” NOW YES YOU CAN LOOK UP THE STATE OR STATES THEY ARE LICENSED IN, YOU NEED TO CHECK FOR THEIR NPI NUMBER THEIR CEU’S KEPT CURRENT. ALSO BESIDES THE STATE MOST BELONG TO A PROFESSIONAL ORGANIZATION. SO, STATE VIOLATIONS ADD THEM UP, THEY ARE TO FOLLOW STATE LAWS, THEN TAKE IT TO THE NATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS THEY HAVE TO PRETTY MUCH BELONG TO. THEN YOU HAVE THOSE VIOLATIONS YOU ADD THEM UP AND IF PEOPLE WERE AWARE OF GETTING YOUR VA RECORD AS WELL AS YOUR C&P EXAM YOU CAN COUNT ON GETTING A WHOLE LOT OF ATTENTION YOUR WAY BUT DAMN STRAIGHT UP IT GOES INTO “GEE HOW CORRUPT AND HOW FAR WILL THEY GO TO FIX STUPID?” I HAVE A 2 FOR 1 THANK YOU VA IG AND “OH YEAH, COOL I SAT FOR SIX HOURS AND GOT HOME COULD NOT WALK. YOU THINK I AM PISSED? NO-I AM DANGER THEY WISH FOR ME TO KEEP QUIET OVER THEIR FUCK UPS! JUST A LITTLE SLOW THEY ARE BECAUSE WHAT I STATED I HAVE? GOOD LUCK!
GEE, THIS IS WHEN IT IS NOT GOOD TO BE FASHIONABLY LATE TO THE PARTY!”
AS STATED-EXPANSIVE KNOWLEDGE AND I CAN TELL YOU DOCTORS KNOW I KNOW MY STUFF IS ALL IN ONE SOCK!
Type Indiana medical licensing complaint form into a search engine and the form should come up. Mail it return receipt required with a copy to the AG himself. Also, sign a release of information on the VA’s form listing the board as the one to release it to.
Tell your story is my story ( identical in every way ) I was on pain Meds for injuries to my spine titanium plate 6 screws c4-5-6 level with another 2 surgeries needed @ c3-4 and I have a 10 mm fragment @ L4-5 causing nerve impingement ,I was on pain Meds for over 14 years and just like you these assholes .PCP 5 in three years & nurses playing their Holyier than thou games I made the mistake of questioning them ,I can never prove this but they CBOC almost KILLED ME WITH C-Diff & quit seeing me @ the request of my psychiatrist I transferred to Columbia Mo ,I to had a Pakistani woman I could not understand a damn word she said ,Columbia mind you is 3 hours away ,they set 21 Appts to be filled in 30 days I went into shut down mode overwhelmed me but my main point is I went from 480 mgs of opiates a day I was on Valium gabapentin quetiapine testosterone 200 every other week cyclobenzoprene and a whole host of anti depressants ,it’s been a little over a year & they have nothing to do with or for me & I am @ the 100% level there is nothing we can do right now to these LOWER THAN SCUM OF THE EARTH,BUT IF I WERE EVER ELECTED IN MY STATE OF MISSOURI I would make it my main mission to jail everyone of them & brake their union ,all we can do is take names and pray someone who thinks like we do will be elected ,Ps I cannot even get civillian Dr he told me to go back to the VA where I came from I have lost over 35 lbs ,I know there is something wrong my head rings loud and it’s not tinnitus I can’t eat regular Sorry this is how they treat us ,For now
I am curios, what “team”, “clinic”, or whatever they call them are you on? I am in the purple team in the “C” wing, 3rd floor. I have heard so many veterans complain about this team. I had a six month follow up last Fri (28th) and I was threatened, forced to leave because I mentioned to my Primary Care Dr. about my past treatment at the Seattle VAMC (he told me to never mention my past VAMC treatment as it did not matter to him and he could care less what I had done in the past). He is wanting me to take a chronic pain management class that I have taken in Seattle and I do not feel as if I should retake something I have already taken. He is doing this because he refuses to look back at any treatment I have had and it is his way or no way.
He then lied in my notes and put that I requested this class. He looked me in the eye and told me he would do nothing for me to help with my pain as “there is nothing wrong with you”. He also told me that there is nothing in my Indy VAMC records that will help me get into the pain clinic. “Don’t expect to get a thing” was what I was told as he stood in the room with the door open.
My six month follow-up appointment lasted nine minutes and I did not get to ask about any concerns I had (and I need somethings looked at).
I am starting to make the complaints to everyone at this VAMC. I will have to most likely quit my job I just started if I cannot get some type of help. My current meds are helping me get through the day before I was working.
I was also threatened to have my pain medicine taken away if I did not do a urine screen before I left the VAMC. That meant that I had to miss more work because I did not have to use the restroom.
I am sick and tired of this VAMC
Thanks for the reply. I am always told when doors are closed that I am the only one having problems with the VA, etc., even when all the hell raising is on TV..if they report on anything concerning the VA. I have heard and known too many vets take their selves out or plan accidents so their family can get benefits and they are out of pain and all the stress the VA and contractors over clinics like Humana seem to love to pour onto us just to see what happens or seemingly used as information or stupid statistics do make more laws or blame us for the many problems.
The longest I have had a PCP is about a year. When first signed up I had a PA for a couple of years until she burnt out, staying in the same CBOC but as a different worker and pill pusher for the mental health side of things. Missed a couple of years because of them being trained. But new ones didn’t last long. One I was waiting on to be trained to see, I seen once, told me he could not treat me as I should be under the VA way. He didn’t last three months.
Many of the workers kept telling us about the problems of VA workers burnt-out and we were supposed to have pity on them and be totally understand. That one MD has thousands of patients. I was understanding/patient, not now. Standing around dealing with the VA and then to have some god-like acting, chip on the shoulder burn-out wig out on us or get nasty is NOT “Excellence” in health care. If we do see one burn-out, it’s a VA rule they do not have to see patients for any reason the choose, or so I am told. So they don’t have to apologize for being scum, rude, and admit that they too are supposed to be human. As bad as it may hurt their high level education, with all those letters of the alphabet behind their name. Which to me just means they are best brain washed and on ego trips bowing to the VA training they go through to work for the system. I have been told by counselors that those attitudes come from health care workers and MDs are from being “so intelligent and well trained they do not think or act like us regular people, or patients.” More hypocrisy from a very socialist and vet hating system full of arrogant foreigners and nut jobs or diva students/workers.
While at the CBOC I was told for questioning a girl about my Healthy E-vet site problems. Turns out we are lied to again and that others have access to our info, like hired Humana ITtech workers for computers/systems. Took me years to find that out. When I talked to one and questioned her I was told “You are acting inappropriately questioning me being a educated professional woman.” Hmmm. That told me I was dealing with a Marx-Feminist and one corrupt high minded socialist man hater. Conversation is over for me. When I left the local CBOC all of my emails I wanted to save for future proof and use… were all deleted and then all the workers from locally to the main hospital knew about me and my issues with the various cliques in the system. So damaging gossip is very real and present in their herd. They are like one big corrupt happy family sticking together supporting each other even at the peril, risk, health for us. Lying and distortions are not below them. Pure evil some are. They train together and stick together union or not. Then lying, they all went back to telling me only MDs and their office nurses had access to my E-vet info. Wrong, they already proved that is another big lie from the government and their nasty contractors.
They had me on like eighteen different meds. My digestive system shut down due to the anti-depressants, They say it was pain meds. Wrong. I have tinnitus but also hearing voices, booming and ringing besides that. It went away when I eased myself off the head dope. Gaba I could not function on at all, and is dangerous for pain use. A neighbor was on that for seizures and hated the side effects. He chose to die over taking meds to deal with his issues, constantly talking about his hate of Gabapent. Heck, I couldn’t do much they had me so gooned out and that is part of their plan thinking it will keep us down and quiet until we expire according to their wishes and prayers.
I eased my self off of everything and would test them all again. One at a time and in different combinations. The anti-depressants caused me very severe gut issues… and visual, internal, and auditory issues. So bad the lasting effects left me screwed up so bad that today I can drink two gallons of ‘go juice’ and extend the fasting times (as told) to try and take a colonoscopy and it fails to work on my system in a needed timely fashion. They think it’s funny and continue to blame pain meds and keep telling me I dont’ know my own body and just like everybody else, and they know better than me what I need. Wrong. Gross, but I couldn’t go for a solid month, even going to their emergency and told they seen no impaction but had to wait until it was so they could operate on me. I better stop there cause it’s a mess and serious situation to be in, and no laughing matter. So to date I cannot do colonoscopy and things have changed permanently in my body in some ways and will never be the same. Apparently to their joy, snickering, defending, and put-offs.
The more clinics we are having to see the worse it all gets. So if a vet is laughing about my issues while he just sees one clinic and is young, he doesn’t know what he is in for later in life, or when his own health goes south. So many more young healthy vets don’t care about the others. And if anyone cuts in line because of their race not one white person will say a thing. I can nudge a guy next to me and ask if he seen several cutting in line and they’ll say ‘yes but not going to cause trouble.’ Crap like that doesn’t help either. So we have to deal with race issues. Or being called “Polar Bears” when some don’t think we are listening. SEIU I guess.
I didn’t wake up till one student told me. “I can get canned for this but buddy you are on too many drugs, get off of them… I care.” So that shook me out of my drug induced stupor. And the stress of doing all those trips like you are supposed to do. We should not be on the road or dealing with big city crap when feeling like we do, and doped up on top of that. Especially when we are dealing with this stuff totally alone.
The change woud be, when enough people get angry and stop being sheep and victims. Get together and force some help from media and a person in the VA and gov to really care and visit these dens of sin and not stop until there is drastic change in the entire system and stinking training programs. And be rid of scum like Humana that shoud peddle their wares and crummy insurance elsewhere. Not deal with hurting sick people.
Yeah, I am in shut-down mode too and sick of everything after all these years. After all the years, tests, games, we should be on top of our own stuff and know what we need, and get it. Not the yearly game playing and intentional stresses and stupidity we are forced to endure. It’s not healthy or good for us at all. I wish there was not so much leftist censorship in my town so I could advertise or get on a forum like Topix and try to find others with issues, but can’t. Have tried for years and gave up on that too. Thanks to the Democrats-socialist in this area and the city council and others who don’t want any truth be told or someone other than their cliques and groups to be allowed to group up and meet or get active. So I don’t know. It’s going to take a serious governor or someone to take a stand and not move until there is dramatic change but it won’t happen in Indiana for sure. Nor from towns that are totally ran by politics, Dems, and colleges who use us as guinea pigs.
Sorry for the length. I’m just fed up and between a rock and hard place. This being the only place where I am not moderated or deleted or threatened. Since I must be the only known complainer in my area and town, that the local officials and pretenders of the great facade hate so well.
Oh well. Have a nice day out there. Perhaps someday a real leader and group will keep this issue to the fore-front and not allow distractions and puppy dog stories, planned activist, civil unrest, or Hollywood interfere with getting what so many really need and need now. It’s mass corruption and disconcern on a really massive scale, and a change in profits for big Pharm and training of the tormentors. Congress and local officials don’t care because they have their own health care systems and they are not like this. And is one reason why local don’t want anyone to spew facts or problems on local levels out of self-concern and their own greedy preservation. So hate and censorship is the name of the game, plus attacking the old sick people so many want to just die off or go away like Oprah said she wanted. Yep, I’ve heard that stuff too.
Purple team here too, figures. Worse “team” I’ve had to endure yet.
I think about out of thirty or so of us five attended the “New Pain Clinic” orientation. It got me so rattled and piss off I can’t even remember all of it. It is also why I notified them all that I will never again meet with anyone concerning the VA or MDs without a witness and the situation being recorded on my behalf and for my own safety. I also informed them that I will never trust the VA to put me under for any surgery or treatment, period. That’s sad considering we are to put our trust in these so-called “Professionals.’
Less than a year and have had two new highly uncaring and uniformed PCPs.
The new clinic is a joke and meant to drive everyone from pain meds onto ‘signed consent and contract” with them to be put on “forced” anti-depressants. Even if you have had tried that stuff before, had severe and lasting side-effects, etc., doesn’t matter. You MUST do whatever their “ULTIMATUMS” are. And they are ultimatums.
We were told we would have to drive hundreds of miles just for pill counts and pee tests, whenever they call we are to jump regardless of home responsibilities or duties.
We were told to take our pain meds as directed. It is says as needed, tough, you take them every six hours around the clock needed or not. Not taking the meds will disqualify you for the clinic and meds stopped.
We were told to drive those miles regardless of our pain levels or if we feel we’d be driving under the influence, or like me, my vision easily blurrs with cataracts and meds, but that doesn’t matter. I was told to drive 200 miles while having a puking migraine or else. I never leave the house on any pain meds nor did I when I was taking head meds they messed me up so bad. And as I told those creeps, I will not have an accident or anothers injury or death, or death of a kid on my conscious. OH, doesn’t matter.
We were told NOT to use civilian care for anything. Heart attacks, accidents, broken bones. Nope, we are to hop into our vehicles and drive to the VA and new pain clinic
All pain issues are non-pain issues according to them. Migraines, spine, hip, arthritis, artificial joint issues, plates, screws, arthritis, shrapnel, etc. we were told were NOT chronic pain issues.. They wouldn’t say what was considered as painful.
You will hear hours of anti-pain med propaganda and and socialist style hate and disregard. Oh the million years of drug abuse. The ancients had no pain meds. Third worlders can suffer pain and amputations so can veterans, since we will all be dope dealing animals in their eyes.
We were told to blame all the veterans before us. “One burned down his home to get drug money … and so will we. Maybe not now but we are all alike and will in the future so they must stop it” Like we will all at some point be the same, no exceptions.. Quoted and paraphrased.
We heard the evils of Laudanum. (!)
We were told to disregard anything we have been told for years and years by doctors, specialist, chiropractors, surgeons, acupuncturist, civilian care, etc., to date, Now. Throw years and years of treatment and info out the window and bow to them and their statistics,lies, and BS. Total insanity and far over-demanding and rather rude to stupid and absurd. Total pinnacles of BS.
Like Chiro can’t do my neck any good now. More damage than good. But if the pain clinic demands I go to a Chiro for the neck I must do so or automatically lose the meds and be pushed out of the clinic. And I guess the way it’s explained to me… ALL HEALTH CARE.
We were to list anything and everything we take for pain. Green tea, Chamomile, vitamins, etc. All of it. Sorry but my list would be extensive, and none of their business. I have done in about ten to fifteen years over 200 plus blood and urine screens and not one was dirty. They were testing us for dope and HIV years before these new laws passed last year. Yet, if we don’t take the meds or not found in our system it is a violation of the contract and will be assumed we are selling the meds, not just avoiding them to travel or not that needed at the time. No we are criminals and slaves.
To them there is no chronic pain issues. No oxygen for migraines, no meds for them either.. just eat em.
They don’t’ recognize Chronic Fatigue issues and other stuff civilian care does. They have their own lists and dope unlike the civilians care. We are not worthy. Congress and local politicians and workers can have whatever they want, and considerations, not us, we are different animals.
The list of stupidity goes on. One bright spot is after raising my voice and demanding some answers the new clinic doc did call me up and said ‘she seen no reason why I should not be on my pain meds.” I’m only allowed to have Hydrocodone 10 and Tylenol. And Naproxyn after being told by many MDs VA or not take ….with fatty liver they now gave me years back, (no I don’t even drink) never take over the counter meds, no Tylenol, no NSAIDS but still they push it on me since my enzyme levels are back down per blood liver test, so the new docs think I should do what caused me all the others issues in years past. The damn uncaring Satan worshiping creeps.
We were more or less told to irresponsible to have such meds. Mail box theft, mail theft, etc. It’s all our fault or even when others are to blame, it’s all our fault and must suffer from thefts. I was sitll an asshole to them for having no neighbors to speak of, a mail box alarm so my meds and stuff won’t sit in the hot sun or freeze in the winter. Also have security lights and cameras. Still I was in the wrong and treated like a criminal or fool by a 25 yr learned addictions counselor. My having training, experience, etc., in addictions and more over 20yrs didn’t mean a thing. I was lower than the lowest dog on the block and didn’t know shit according to them.
So again the grand VA supplies another joke of a system. Whether or not the new PCP I have upset will continue my low dose meds is unknown. If she is refusing my anti-biotics, neck collars, special shoes, etc. she will not do anything about pain meds. She won’t call or do anything. The front desk just defends them/her and sends me off to the non-supportive, vet dismissing Patient Advocate who also refuse contact. She is not giving my any ‘consults’ or items I have used for years. So I guess they are stopping everything to cut costs since they are far over budget, and that too is the fault of the veterans and there being so many of us, not theirs. Just because one doctors or specialty clinic passes something or prescribes something doesn’t mean a uncaring PCP will follow their orders as they are supposed to. If not doing it then why the hell spend the time and money to send us to special clinics to be denied by some young egotistical American hating foreigners or pups fresh out of college just playing hot shot.
The VA and the low lifes and unions they hire don’t give a hoot about us, just themselves. Some of their lousy cops setting cones around our vehicles when none where there before then ticketing is nonsense to. But there again, we are the evil ones not them. There are tons of crazies working at the VA. A X employee told me that is all they want. Desperate people and lower class people easily trained and don’t give a damn. They also said when they worked there it was part of the plan to make some vets fed up enough just to walk away, meaning the VA saves some money, and may rid the VA a head ache or from someone complaining or spreading negatives about their lovely system.
Thanks and I’ll be searching more when I can sit to get the forms to send in. I can’t find and am told I cannot investigate MDs, class ratings, etc. that has to be done by using IN.gov websites and info. (?) I know all the calling and emails is doing me no good. People here are not fond of passing out info or going against their own cliques and professions. The retaliation from this stuff can get physical and real. Hell, I can’t even attend town hall meetings I’m so hated here for not being a “liberal” or Democrat” or socialist, Marx, whatever. One nasty state and area to be in.
Months of this daily crap… I am the one burn’t out now.
Yours and F8’s comment remind me of something. Years ago when I went to the VA in Oklahoma City, there was no such thing as team care. Primary care was by a PA, with referrals to others. It was always irritating to go to the VA for treatment of the same problem, only to have to tell some different care provider the same medical history because you had never seen them before, and they were too lazy to review your record prior to the appointment. When I first went to the Madison VA after moving to WI, I was shocked at being assigned to a team, and having a team that was always familiar with my medical history. I saw the same provider month after month. Now, here in CO, I am again assigned to a “team” consisting of an incompetent nurse practioner.
Has anyone else experienced this? Has the VA reverted back to their poor treatment days of having a team of one nitwit provider? What are others seeing? A true team? Or just one person?
Seems to me the VA decided to cut costs, and the team treatment that worked so well where they would consult with each other. That consultation seemed to provide a check against the quacks.
thanks for the reply. I talked to “don” at the Physical Medicine & Rehabilitation and I have my orientation on Fri. I asked about how many classes are in this “program” and I was told “it varies with the individual”. After reading you reply, you have answered all of my questions about this “program” and I was afraid that it would be just as you described. I know I will not make it through it. I just started a job (good paying) and I will now lose it because I was toughing it out until I was hopeful that my PCP Lynch would increase my pain medicine slightly so I could continue with a job that I enjoy going to every day. If I don’t get something soon, I will have to quit. If I have to miss work for these classes I will be fired. What a choice.
I too have tried all of the anti-depressant meds as well with no luck. I was taking morphine er 15mg three times a day while in Seattle (prescribed by the Seattle VAMC) and it was reduced to Vicodin 10mg three times a day. They wonder why I am getting no relief.
There is such a big push in this state (IN) on prescription meds that it makes it so easy for this VAMC to push their dictatorship on us. The more this state pushes this, the more it is backfiring. HIV, Hep C, and others are on the rise. Heroin is on the rise and they keep restricting the meds to those of us that have limited treatment options and they keep wondering why things continue to get worse. They are turning us into street addicts because we have nothing or nowhere else to go.
My Dad was in a store in the town he lives in (about 40 miles from Indy) and started talking to a vet and that vet told him he was in the purple team and he hates it as well. Go figure.
Thanks again for the reply. I liked the detailed explanation as I said. I thought it would be something like what you said and I believe that you nailed the way it will be. It gives me no hope that I will get better.
Remember, the Indy VAMC is above any recourse for anything they do. They are above the law (they think).
And yes the purple team is terrible
He’s become the atypical politician. Say as little as possible to get a “point”. Whatever that “point” is, no one knows.
I believe he could be diagnosed with a form of “hysterical neurosis”. Because he sure hasn’t got a grip on reality. Everytime veterans and taxpayers turn around, someone at VA says something good. Only to find out later, it turned out to be false.
I believe as though I’m stuck in a “MAD MAGIZINE” skit. Only that would be an insult to MAD.
So, maybe I fell down that “Rabbit Hole”!
Allyson Hickey ain’t no better. Look at what she said in a previous Blog about the “claims backlog”! (There was a representative that called her on it also!) She also needs a reality check, in my opinion.
Is the American Legion actually falling for this crap? Have they gone the way of other VSO’s? They were doing so much good too. Bringing VA egregious acts to the forefront.
Alison Hickey is the dumb blonde they trot out to be the whipping post. McDonald is the new Baghdad Bob.
Robert Reynolds has his own moral problems and I am sure Sgt Schultz is walking the halls as well, Scott Posti maybe?.
Dear Benjamin Krause,
A recent article titled, “VA touts progress in face of reform challenges,” has got the rookie from Morristown, New Jersey, thinking everything is alright by saying: “Still, the challenges are big: 35 percent of VA medical centers do not have a permanent CEO, meaning there’s nobody to do long-term planning. And hospitals are inconsistent, meaning the quality of the same procedures can vary dramatically from clinic to clinic.”
Then you have the back-up– “Look, you’ve got to learn to crawl before you can walk, before you can fly, right? The VA is just learning to crawl, and the American public wants them to fly,” said Dave Hazelwood [who received chemotherapy and wrist surgery at the VA clinic in Wichita, Kansas].
The President’s 2016 Budget includes $168.8 billion for VA in 2016.
In Ten Years it is ONE Trillion Six Hundred and Eighty Eight Billion dollars.
In Twenty years it is Three Trillion Three Hundred Seventy Six Billion dollars.
[This writer states, after “couple of Billion Dollars”—you’d better get to the Damn Moon!!!!]
Benjamin Krause stated, “He is either a typical liar or suffering from antisocial personality disorder. Otherwise, I can think of no middle ground that explains his defiance of reality and human experience.”
If one is hired by a pack of liars—one must be a liar.
You had answered your own question—-don’t waste time.
Words from Karlheinz Halter about “cheerleaders” before he left us in April of 2015:
At least Pepi’s wishes came true, “but it wasn’t God who gave him [and also his daughter] a good deal on a Mercedes-Benz,” as I had said before. “Mercedes Benz”, also known as “The Politician”, is an almost forgotten song by Janis Joplin, “in which she asks the Lord to buy her a Mercedes-Benz, a colour TV, and a
‘night on the town’.” Three days after recording it she was found dead [10/4/70]. I’m sure John Bogert can remember.” And it’s not “water under the bridge,” as some of our good friends had said, including Nurse Lynn from Long Beach. We can’t say “the past is past,” as Winston Churchill pointed out, “without surrendering the future. And Hundertwasser said something similar, the famous artist, in regard to the vital connection of the future to our own roots. If we don’t cherish them, he basically said, we have no future. And that seems to be the problem in L.A. We got infatuated by all those stories from Hollywood, and reality slowly faded away. We forgot to take corrective actions, and now we forgot how to do it. We picked cheerleaders instead of real leaders, because they looked appealing. They made no demands, and it worked fine, as long as everything went well. Now our so-called leaders became very silent.
Lee Iacoca stated in his 2007 book, “Where Has All The Leaders Gone?”
Leaders are made, not born and leadership is forged in times of crisis. A strong leader is required for the timely resolution of complex issues.
It is a sad to see Americans sitting silently with little anger and little motivation.
As we see H.H.H. hit our TV screens [PBS Documentary on Hubert Humphrey
“We can’t use a double standard — there’s no room for double standards in American politics — for measuring our own and other people’s policies. Our demands for democratic practices in other lands will be no more effective than the guarantee of those practices in our own country.” And he also stated, “that government must not be indifferent to societal injustices, and that government’s purpose is not merely to protect the peace and enforce laws, but to build a society and social structure that makes us an example to the world.”
So what do you think VHA head Dr. David Shulkin is going to do?
Typical liberal Jewish thinking.
The problems in Indiana are numerous from the basic local levels on up. Somebody mentioned the Jewish problem, that too can be a major issue/factor to deal with as with other apparent race or PC issues. I’ve had many problems with that one issue alone, plus a VA MD melt-down experience I won’t get into, but just say, they can do or treat people any way they want, and to deny seeing any patient for any reason too. Not a well known fact that a VA MD can pick and choose who they see for any personal reason they may hold. The nature of the state’s cliques and clubs.
Now our so-called governor wants to put more tax dollars on the ‘war on drugs’ while his buddies in Indianapolis’ Drug Companies like Lilly, Pfizers, and others keep padding their pockets and raking in huge profits. And putting more boots on the ground so the legal/prison system can rake in the bucks too, and on and on it goes. So politicians like all of those in fascist, tyrannical Indiana, with both parties playing the same game will not change anything. Especially when in college towns, etc., we are so heavily censored and ridiculed by the Democrats-Socialist they claim, phony Republicans, and the highly educated crowd keep putting us down as ‘red-neck veteran hicks,’ war mongers… which I am not, or we/I am totally against the PC crowd and the corrupt and their cliques I’ve had to deal with before when dealing with the states and town’s corruption or crime/profiteering networks. Like stated before, they demand total silence, no complaints, no negativity.
I know what a real team is. In ’92’ I got a open door to flee Indiana and go to the West Coast for health care and to correct the lies I have been fed in Indiana, plus being over-medicated by low level MDs in the civilian sector here. Not to mention or forget botched surgeries I had here from so-called “professionals.’ The team I had out there that equaled about ten different specialist would sit down with us at a large table with some more on fancy conference phones going over all of our issues and treatments. That was a real team and the best I have ever seen. When coming home again they could not find or recommend a single MD here to follow their treatment plans or continued care and progress. Not a single one. Many of them stating that Indiana is one of the worse states for health care and higher level graded qualified specialist with true concern, not profiteering, about the patient. Not a single one. Just one slight mention of Indianapolis’ sports medicine but it was too costly and refused to see me for that reason, and that I was NOT a suit or sports star or player. I came home and after a while I found a general MD that took me on as a new patient, which is hard to do in my area. He lasted here for six months and was gone in a flash leaving all my hand carried files and such to a foreign dude that could barely speak English. He was the first one to start the crap about “American being weak and soft about pain.” Told me “migraines were a feminine issue, not a man’s issue.” So that didn’t last long. Plus he lost, or claimed, he didn’t have any of my years of files and tests. When I tried to contact the hospital I was in out west, they had closed due to all the illegal aliens over-burdening the system and the local hospitals in their area. So to me, that means many things can create havoc in our health care systems.
Today I’m going through the buck passing stuff again as usual. Boards telling me it’s the Attorney General’s office to begin complaint procedures, and the AG saying no, it’s the boards first. Searches claim otherwise. So I’ll just do what I was told here to do, and found a site to download a form. As usual the hot shots always have front people to stifle, confuse, pass the buck, claim they can’t do anything but pass along my contact info, which they never reply. Like the Patent Advocates phonies. I can call an office and ask for, let’s say Ron who I spoke to before (and in my notes), then I’m told no Ron works there! “You must be mistaken.”
So my up and down and sitting time is about done for today, typing too. I’m to the point I can’t bring myself to order my meds for the month or just say hell with it all. Like they seem to want as one past employee of theirs told me. I’m waking up nights dreaming about this crap and arguing with them. Like I need more stuff to keep me up. I’m sure they love it though. Anymore it’s like we need a entire office staff to get things done or do what we are expected to do or fight against while staying safe.
I would advise people not to attend these meetings or ‘Orientations” alone, and to start recording this crap which is illegal in Indiana. Sadly I’m not much of a spy and fail to do efficiently what I am saying now. Not being prepared, not sneaky and conniving enough, or simply forget to get batteries, distracted, doing good enough just dealing with pain/sitting etc., among enemies, or to turn something on when needed. I also think ‘they’ are aware of this stuff too and do their best to ensure it’s as difficult to do as possible. Ie Long waits, monotone near whispering voices, cutting off questions, etc. It also seems to be some kind of test and heard stories of guys losing it to end up in a ward doped up and kept for a mental evaluation. I meant to mention this previously but didn’t. That came from speaking to two guys that now left the VA system and want left alone thinking they can just drink themselves in to a stupor for the rest of their lives. Not good.
It also seems that national news and others aren’t interested in the affairs or issues in Indiana.Typical since Indiana is a hands off state. No response from any of them yet either. Nor from any veteran groups. I know the Legion doesn’t want to get involved in local issues or locals Legions want to upset local media and politics, or corruption.
I think I have to find someone who can set me up with a blog, anonymously, where I can freely write about experiences and the VA, and of course the corruption and censorship here. I can’t use other social avenues since some locals and politicians and the owned media knows me. Yesterday I encountered an old acquaintance that informed me I was on the local censors, councils (Move-On members, PETA, Debb’s Society, VA family members clique,etc, lefty activist, and communist sh*t list. No surprise but I didn’t know how bad it can get or wide spread to some really nasty violent groups that hate people like me, and others of like minds and experiences. All I can say is tough. What’s done is done and I don’t regret or fear a thing. Freedom to speak and complain is just that, government, corrupt elected or not, lying media or not. College town’s Indiana is not a utopia, thriving, decent, veteran loving, perfect, as the facade proclaims. This too shows the connections between the corrupted CBOCs, the cliques, politics, radicals, gossip, lies, and the spread or nasty politicians knowing information on us they should never know of or hint about knowing like they have something to use against us or threaten us/me with. Or to use that “confidential information’ from VA, hospital’s staff, etc, who are married to, or connected with the fascist in some manner. Or hints from knowing info from our DD214 by way of the VA informants or from the local Legions who required them to join. Past VA “professionals” turn “liberal” (sic) college professor rats, weren’t worth a hoot working at the VA, and side activist to protect their past “comrades” in training and such. The problem is finding out who is talking to who about stuff, why, and who gossips and starts hinting about anything, or the information that is said to be “confidential.’ Then getting the rock hard facts and proof. I wish I could have NSA capabilities for a year in my pocket. Good ol’ life in modern small multiple college town America I suppose. Wishing us old timers and complainers would just go away or die off.
I’ve hit my limit. I hope you all the best, and for change. Take care!
A clear example that somebody paid him when he entered VA service Along with his Personality Disorder is a clear case of VIP syndrome VA INDUCED PHYCHOSIS. A comorbid condition coupled with a Personality Disorder and psycopathic traits of a born loser or dWeeb.
(The W has been capitalized in the word dWeeb to emphasize his dWeebness ~corny announcer voice)
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