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Veterans To Evaluate AP Coverage Of Hydroxychloroquine Studies For Spin

SPIN CHECK: Who better to provide feedback on experimental virus treatments, vaccines, and spin from those in management to take the drugs?

At least two studies covered by Associated Press addressing hydroxychloroquine studies, and the COVID-19 disease caused by the SARS CoV2 virus (not to be confused with the SARS CoV in 2003), have piqued my interest in past weeks.

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I want to know what you, my veteran readers, think about AP’s coverage of hydroxychloroquine vs Gilead’s remdesivir to address COVID 19.

I plan to write about this and want to know what you think. I also published these questions to my Facebook audience, too.

As veterans, do you trust the reporting by AP linked below? Or, do these articles push an agenda? If yes, what is the agenda?

Background: Marilynn Marchione is the Chief Medical Writer for Associated Press (AP) who appears to be responsible for most of AP’s articles on COVID therapies. The Bachelor’s Degree holder has covered the current COVID 19 situation with her stories being repeated worldwide. The Milwaukee-based reporter has held the chief medical writer position since 2011.

1. AP – Malaria drug shows no benefit in another coronavirus study

On #1, take a look at the financial disclosures of the scientists who performed the observational study. This is located at the bottom under “Disclosure Forms” at the bottom of the NEJM site linked below.


2. AP – A coronavirus drug seems to work. What’s next?

On #2, this coverage of Gilead’s drug remdesivir. You may recall Gilead purchased Pharmascet, the drug company owned by former VA researcher Raymond Schinazi while he worked at VA and simultaneously built Pharmasset for the Hep C cure, sold company for $400 million profit.


3. AP FACT CHECK: Veterans Affairs chief plugs unproven drug

On #3, is this FACT CHECK objective? Marchione was a contributor to it who also wrote the critique of hydroxychloroquine based on the “VA virus study” below? (i.e. “AP Chief Medical Writer Marilynn Marchione in Milwaukee contributed to this report.”)

4. AP – More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study

On #4, do you think this was a “VA virus study” as the title suggests? Was the study an example of “Scientific Misconduct” as French Dr. Didier Raoult alleges?


What are your thoughts on these comments concerning the alleged “VA virus study” covered by AP?


Let it rip below. I want to know what y’all are thinking on the topic, and I hope to relay your thoughts where appropriate in a future article.

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  1. The Goon Squad has removed ALL comments from Ben’s Fb page. There was a lot of fact based info in most of those posts.

    1. @Rosie,
      Watch this video, then explain *”HOW did a democrat controlled House know there’d be a coronavirus pandemic in January 2019″*

    2. @Elf,
      Really! I do know as a fact that chimeric (sp) research was stopped by Executive Order in 2014 in the U.S., but that over $3M of American hard earned cashola went to Wuhan to continue the practice. It is all about money and controlling humans so that those with skin in the game, can continue using humans as live chess pieces. Follow the money!

    3. The very best outcome for ourselves, will be realized if we do not allow ourselves to be bogged down with the minutia of PTB “loudspeak”! This is the United States of America! We are a proud republic nation, with the United States Constitution and The Bill of Rights, to fortify her over 300 Million citizens. A very large number of those citizens, having sworn an oath to protect her Constitution from ALL enemies foreign and DOMESTIC.
      ’nuff said!

  2. Medical Masks | Infectious Diseases | JAMA | JAMA Network

    When Should a Mask Be Used?

    Face masks should be used only by individuals who have symptoms of respiratory infection such as coughing, sneezing, or, in some cases, fever. Face masks should also be worn by health care workers, by individuals who are taking care of or are in close contact with people who have respiratory infections, or otherwise as directed by a doctor. Face masks should not be worn by healthy individuals to protect themselves from acquiring respiratory infection because there is no evidence to suggest that face masks worn by healthy individuals are effective in preventing people from becoming ill. Face masks should be reserved for those who need them because masks can be in short supply during periods of widespread respiratory infection. Because N95 respirators require special fit testing, they are not recommended for use by the general public.
    Lem …. Keep looking you won’t find it

    1. @OLDMARINE,
      Watch this, then explain “HOW did the democrat controlled House know there’d be a coronavirus pandemic in 2019?”

  3. Effectiveness of workplace social distancing measures in reducing influenza transmission: a systematic review

  4. Remdesivir in adults with severe COVID-19: a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled, multicentre trial – The Lancet

  5. @Lem,
    I understand your point about the single source extrapolation of pertinent information. I did not take a speed reading course and time being of the essence here, for me, it is more of time saver to discern from YT, BC, or whatever other visual medium, than to comb through reams of documentation myself. I’ll let the very few professionals still honoring the Hippocratic oath they swore, you know, the ones that aren’t spewing from memorized lectures or acting like professional patent medicine drug pushers, explain to me what their research and experience brings to the discussion. Now if I find, and I have found, printed matter that could have topical relevance, then I’ll share that as well. A point I have made, and also mentioned by many others, is that the nih, cdc, et al, are to some degree prone to lean toward whatever is in alignment with the Big Pharma “double-speak”. Conversely, the BMJ among other medical journals, are not so inclined.

    “You can ignore reality, but you can’t ignore the consequences of ignoring reality.” ~Ayn Rand

    1. Like your comment, Rosie. I prefer to look at the data myself to discern the “community spread” analysis. Problem is raw data from Bing doesn’t provide the variables. % tested. Why no recovered cases reported for may states–not enough tests to confirm? Seems to me if duration of illness is over you could report recovered if no longer sick without proving it. If released from the hospital but still recovering there is still a time consideration. Or is there no permanent recovery for many. Lot of questions leading to postulates.

      One thing can be sure. We start with one or two reported cases and then end up with hundreds, then thousands and now over a million. By definition that is exponential expansion. Otherwise there had to be over a million unreported cases on day one.

      CORVID was probably around for quite a while before it found a community spread environment in Wuhan, China “wet market” (essentially a slaughter to order as opposed to packing plant meat market with a wide variety of meat and fish) that made it noticeable to a local physician.

      And WHO hasn’t been reporting for quite a while because their data became suspect. Data collection is a problem because of lack of standardized reporting. At least the U S Military has standardized reporting but the reporters don’t always actually report numbers because it takes time to count so they put in their best guess and go for another cup of coffee to go with their card game. The only place they actually use their counting skills.

      And I have a question about the euthanizing of pigs? First a pork packing plant has community spread and then some farmers had to euthanize their pigs? Smells like England and Japan with hoof and mouth disease. Not all farmers are euthanizing. So is it just those with positive testing pigs? What about Beef? Are we spreading animal to human and back to animal in a never ending circle creating a continuum of mutations?

      1. LEM……There are approximately 16,500 companies in the food distribution industry Sysco US Foods are some of the bigger ones When the restaurants are closed what do you do with the excess …..You get rid of them, What happens when and if they reopen, it will be in short supply or all your going to get is lab grown meat, GMO meat if you want to call it that, Let me know how that GMO burger tasted.
        Did you find it yet, The proof…..

      2. Provisional Death Counts for Coronavirus Disease (COVID-19)

      3. I’d buy your theory if I had never been around a farm and I had quit eating because restaurants closed. Actually grew up mostly on a ranch or ranches. It takes a lot longer than 5 months to back up on the farm enough to have to euthanized to make room or have enough feed. I suppose some of the commercial pig farms like the one about 30 miles from my home that have pigs on concrete might be short of space. But there would still be farmers that would take advantage of the cheap price to graze pigs on fields. Leaner bacon but not a total loss if euthanized. I don’t see the local feed lots euthanizing cattle. They are going out to graze to be brought back in for fattening later. But then we are having a wet enough spring to do that. And so is Nebraska, to our east. Even the drought stricken southwest seems a little wetter. So when you know the greater situation, it raises questions. Just was speaking to a guy that is redoing my bathroom. He says the pig farm I just wrote of has 15,000 pigs and the packing plants won’t take 1,000 lb pigs. Home on the Range Butcher shop in Hilsdale, WY would butcher and sell the oversized pigs. Just turn some of those closed restaurants into butcher shops. They have the skills. Might have to open old time slaughter houses that sell on the rack. But we need to go back to what we know from the past to get the food on the table. If the processing plants don’t want to modify their operations to be safe let them go out of business. We have to adjust to the time we are in.

      4. Good thing you have a lot of time for research, Oldmarine. I don’t buy the 30,000 difference in the death count between the CDC “lag time” and the daily reported count of over 80,000. But then the CDC doesn’t say how long the lag time is between the issuance of the death certificate and the reported death to the local health departments which provide immediate reports to the media and for planning use to the local governments.

    2. @Lem,
      Apologies for taking so long to reply, I was in the midst of an Econ lecture and then more life happened!

      There haven’t been aggregate reports of recoveries that I am aware of, additionally, since no one knows for sure if this C-19 is able to reinfect, then there goes more unanswered questions. What has me concerned moving forward, is the outright violence to organ systems other than the lungs, and the assault of varied C-19 related illness affecting children. All of this combined has me wondering how this is going to mutate further.

      If you are referring to American farmers and this recent livestock slaughter/crop razing, etc., it is a direct catastrophe caused by the C-19 lock down, the weekend televised farm programs and MSM have pointed this out. Then there is the issue of labor to harvest the crops, who does the work if everybody has to hide indoors. There are reports of sizable fines or jailing of “non-essentials” caught outside. There have been some farmers that have donated their produce, or sold their animals directly to the local public willing to provide their own processing. When restaurants purchase meat, that packaging process is for that larger purpose, not necessarily for individual or family use. Converting their machinery/process is just not a cost effective business move for a short term issue. Some of the major grocery outlets still have active packers, and they will purchase whatever they can use to sell in individual packaging. That does in no way mean that Joe Public will see the persistent bargain, rather, the supply and demand profit goes to the grocer in that scenario.

      On tonight’s ABC-WNT David reported that there appears to be a second wave already affecting South Korea, and Wuhan. Whether that is reinfecting recovered individuals, we’ll have to wait and see.

  6. Like I said Lem I didn’t make this shit up look at the to of the chart he is showing It says……..WHO covid-19 daily data………..

    1. So what is the date of your WHO data? The article I read said WHO quit doing the data reports months ago. If you want to follow current data you have to get it somewhere else.

      1. Lem …….Your not to sharp of a Troll, All you do is talk and produce nothing, Just like a dumb-O-crat…. I tossed your bone out, No meat there… ..And I’m not a re-puke-I-can either

      2. Table 1. Deaths involving coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), pneumonia, and influenza reported to NCHS by week ending date, United States. Week ending 2/1/2020 to 5/9/2020.*

        Updated May 12, 2020
        Week ending date in which the death occurred COVID-19 Deaths (U07.1)1 Deaths from All Causes Percent of Expected Deaths2 Pneumonia Deaths
        (J12.0–J18.9)3 Deaths with Pneumonia and COVID-19
        (J12.0–J18.9 and U07.1)3 Influenza Deaths
        (J09–J11)4 Deaths with Pneumonia, Influenza, or COVID-19
        (U07.1 or J09–J18.9)5
        Total Deaths 51,495 820,870 97 76,043 22,674 6,083 110,074
        2/1/2020 0 57,483 97 3,700 0 472 4,172
        2/8/2020 1 57,953 97 3,697 0 501 4,199
        2/15/2020 0 57,278 97 3,721 0 526 4,247
        2/22/2020 2 57,274 99 3,584 0 547 4,133
        2/29/2020 7 57,550 100 3,685 5 623 4,310
        3/7/2020 29 57,203 99 3,779 16 603 4,394
        3/14/2020 51 55,580 97 3,757 26 593 4,374
        3/21/2020 507 55,660 98 4,261 231 514 5,045
        3/28/2020 2,793 58,793 105 5,759 1,269 417 7,652
        4/4/2020 8,537 66,405 119 9,078 4,093 443 13,747
        4/11/2020 13,496 71,278 128 10,714 6,022 446 18,305
        4/18/2020 13,077 65,937 122 9,430 5,609 240 16,963
        4/25/2020 8,872 54,581 101 6,779 3,743 121 11,947
        5/2/2020 3,277 35,853 66 3,159 1,311 33 5,145
        5/9/2020 846 12,042 23 940 349 4 1,441

        Are you getting Learnzed yet

      3. You didn’t bother with the large print. Straight to the fine print except the foot notes.

  7. Congratulations, Rosie and Oldmarine. You two are now in discussions of articles. Not so keen on you sticking to UTube. Would rather see NIH articles that have been peer reviewed. But you are discussing items in their real perspective with words like postulate and criteria. A little more of a scientific outlook instead of just spouting conspiracy theories that do not base themselves in the scientific community collaborations. Too much petty vindictiveness is spouted in the conspiracy theories. Rejected postulates are usually baste on facts. And yes, sometimes stolen postulates are at the root of the petty vindictive rants that go afield.

    1. Lem……”Congratulations, Rosie and Oldmarine. You two are now in discussions of articles. Not so keen on you sticking to UTube. ”

      You old troll, Was that supposed to scare me, It kinda backfired didn’t it….LOL……Ben …Ben….These guys are posting conspiracy theories again ……What a Rat you are,……Are you at leas getting paid well Lem….LOL

  8. “The media may claim they were “deceived” by scientists. The politicians may claim they were “deceived” by scientists. I do not accept that excuse. a: this is not difficult b: for a matter of such important it should have been critical that they knew the science was sound. The triviality of the lie counts against them. Scientists however have no such excuse. For a Professor Emeritus to claim “he didn’t understand exponential” would be absurd. He implicitly recognises that by going to great lengths to NOT state for himself any of the false memes he was tasked with spreading. He cites others in every instance. Nevertheless Gary Hanington put his name to an article designed to promote one simple message and one big lie: Covid-19 growth is exponential. He compounded the deception by specifically including only those charts (curves, countries) which suggested exponential growth. By omitting four key countries, two of which would have utterly destroyed the “exponential” message, two of which would have diminished the perceived threat in the message, he illustrated that the intent was not an “innocuous” discussion of maths, but the promulgation of a false message, designed to incite fear and render people more amenable to actions designed to deprive them of liberty and do massive damage to their livelihoods and the economy. A deliberate attempt to deceive with a view to coercing others makes him liable for the consequences of that deception. He is not alone by any means, nor is he significant, but we have to start somewhere. No doubt the rich and powerful will escape, and likely the authorities will ignore this. Nevertheless I encourage all Americans to consider this and see if some of those lawyers of yours would like to do something useful for a change. It could happen. You might even find an honest official. That would be truly astonishing.”

    FBI Should Watch : Exponential Lie : Gary Hanington and :

    1. And back to a conspiracy theory. You are saying community spread is not exponential because some countries limited community growth drawing down the exponential curve through lockdowns? So look at Sweden’s herd immunity effort. Why did they end it?

      Please quit focusing on your own pet theories and look at the whole picture. Where would we be today in the whole world without China’s drastic lockdown? Korea? Why are there reoccurring spikes with a need to go back to lockdown, testing and social distancing?

      1. Lem you must have missed the video with the charts, I didn’t make the shit up neither did the guy making the video, bet where ever you get your news from didn’t tell you that

      2. Lem, Show me the peer reviewed paper that says It can be transmitted in public/community then I won’t add anything further …..Show me the paper please

      3. I rely on trusted sources not UTube where anyone can post anything.

        And the VA isn’t a trusted source as I pointed out before with cerebral malaria. So far all I have seen from your trusted sources are petty vindictive retaliations for some perceived injustice. I can make charts with real data to show the opposite of truth. But I don’t. I have no ax to grind.

  9. Here’s a good one for the man with his thinking of his great accomplishment’s title which is nothing more than regurgitation from his SCHOOLING.
    “Professor Dutch MSN RN USMC/USA 1996”

    27 April 2020: Under House Arrest as a Result of a Crime Committed by the CDC
    Open your eyes people…….Brought to you by a real dumbass USMC-72-76
    How do you like my title….LOL

  10. Wasted typing, Ben. Only conspiracy theories here. And seems even the VA is mothering up to them.

    1. Oldmarine,

      Theories are question driven. Science is data driven. The Donald had a theory. His theory was proven wrong by the data. Both are a part of arriving at a scientifically proven point. And there are cheaters just like there were in every school and military service you have been in. But to prove cheating it has to be evidence based. That means hard evidence not theoretical.

  11. Questioning Covid – Clinicians, Researchers, & Health Experts from Around the World Interrogating the Mainstream Narrative Around the Pandemic
    You can take your muzzles of now……LOL

    1. Trump has us absolutely at a MAGA #1. With only 4% of the worlds population, we have 28% or the deaths from CORVID. If that isn’t an Olympian win what is. Just tuff it out. Believe all of those conspiracy theories. But it lays at the door of the leadership.

      1. Lem most everything in so called science is a theory but you believe all that bs don’t you, Another thing is why would you be on this site if our government is so honest , They wouldn’t lie to you….LOL I bet you still believe we we went to the moon another joke…LOL, Another thing is you haven’t even posted any of your evidence

      2. I posted this on my local VA facebook page and they took it down Lem why is that
        Covid-19 — Navigating the Uncharted
        List of authors.

        Anthony S. Fauci, M.D., H. Clifford Lane, M.D., and Robert R. Redfield, M.D.

      3. My VA file is full of “documents” that show I’m not entitled. But when the Executive Director, Compensation Services, reviewed the “data” she decided I was entitled. The difference between making a decision on documents of theory and on the actual data. Yes, data can be manipulated as some are claiming about the chloroquinine studies at the VA. There was a manipulation of a study on temporal lobe epilepsy done by the VA to reduce entitlements in the late 1980s and early 1990s. There is a study done in 1966 that says cerebral malaria doesn’t cause brain damage. When it compared 10th grade drop outs to high school graduates it found the 10th grade drop outs had on a .1% higher IQ after having cerebral malaria than the high school graduates so no brain damages occurred. But all those things eventually get corrected with bonified double blind studies. Or comparisons of the entry IQ with the residual IQ after having cerebral malaria. But they are not done by the VA where you can buy your outcome. Still there is a study that was double blind or at least reported as a double blind study that showed higher death rate among chloroquine takers than those who took the placebo. And the first rule of a study is to match the control group with the study group. Simply reporting that the groups were unmatched doesn’t make them so. You have to look at the data. Get the raw data to look at from the study and then I’ll believe your conspiracy theory. It happens as I demonstrated with the 1966 malaria study but most researchers will not risk their licenses to do it.

      4. I’ll give you all a bone. This study says the effect of using hydroxychloroquine as a preventive hasn’t been studied yet. But if it won’t help the sick, what would make someone even ask the question?


  12. For anyone having some interest to the circulating views on this “pandemic” and the resulting rush to formulate a vaccine, this link might provide a bit of historical perspective “”. Go to the 2nd Chapter link, then scroll down to “Smallpox” to read about what our Army was tasked to do and those results. For additional research this is the parent link “” to the many publications from Dr. William Koch. BTW Robert Koch is the Koch of the often recently mentioned “Koch’s Postulates”, “”.

    1. ROSIE You might be interested with this one He speaks of Koch’s Postulates
      Evidence that Viruses Cause Disease or The Rooster in the River of Rats

    2. Yes OldMarine, that was an informative comparison of Koch’s Postulates vs. Rivers Criteria on 2003 SARS. Interestingly enough, this vid was next in the queue “”, pointing out, from a pulmonary perspective, just how varied symptoms can be from different pre-existing conditions and why it is so complicated to nail down any specific treatment. Given the extensive variety of organs and systems that could be affected in different patients, I can’t help but wonder if there could be mutated viral components that are not yet made public knowledge.

  13. Dr. Andrew Kaufman: They Want To Genetically Modify Us With The COVID-19 Vaccine –

  14. Viruses don’t care what you think is true about them. They do what they do. Quinine doesn’t care what you think about it. If you ingest it, it will do what it does.

    1. Your best source of information is the widely accepted scientists, not the conspiracy theorists.

  15. Wait till you read why the leaders of Tanzania kicked WHO out:

  16. Here’s the latest on how the VA is going to reopen:

    So, now we’re still left in the dark.
    I say this because, for a pcp or nurse or any healthcare professional to see or read your vitals or lab reports – the patient must be present to give them.
    Right now, and into the unknown future, labs are closed (“except for emergencies”) and there’s no face to face with anyone!
    That being said, y’all make up your own minds on what’s really going on.

    In that covid stimulus package, the VA received a few hundred million taxpayers dollars! Where’s it going if the VA’s are in essence closed?

  17. Well, oh well! Isn’t this rich!!
    About the 12th paragraph down “…unions representing VA employees have charged that the vacancies have put workers at increased risk for contracting the coronavirus,…”.
    Are those tiny violins I hear?

    1. Before I get slammed, my point is that the VA system is relentless in forcing vaccines on troops and Veterans but, AFGE actually complains that their VA members are at higher risk “of contracting coronavirus” because they were vaccinated. And not to be dismissed, this shows up buried in a story about Shulkin.

    2. You guys are all smarter than me. Stick with the Dutch Professor and Hutch.

      I will say, remember the PB pills for nerve gas and the side effects? I looked up Remdesivir on the Gilead website last week and it was not even listed. Only to read further it had never been used in the U.S. Now it is FDA approved and good to go. Zounds.

      Advice? Don’t get sick. If you do, stick with the quinine drugs in as low a dosage as effective. Talk to your doctor. If you can afford a private dr. to oversee, a 2nd opinion is good. No legitimate M.D. will object. Remember there are no true drugs to fight a virus yet.

      I left Ben a voicemail.

  18. CAUGHT ON CAMERA: W.H.O Scientists Question Safety Of Vaccines – YouTube
    Surely you can spend 10 min to watch this.

    1. At the 8 minute mark she explains “…how wobbly our healthcare professionals are….” when it comes to explaining a patient’s questions on vaccines!
      That is very telling on how our healthcare is like third world countries!

  19. U.S. Field Hospitals Stand Down, Most Without Treating Any COVID-19 Patients : NPR

  20. Lem….I thought you had a brain, “reputable scientists” They are all bought and paid for, As for the other RN that posted also, your brainwashing is showing real bad, And I bet you both believe everything on the news, Hope you at least have some food stocked up your going to need it.

    1. You have it wrong, Oldmarine. This gal is the one caught with her pants down. I happen to believe my eyes. Worked too long in medicine to not accept vaccines. Studied the science of it enough to know that they are pushing as recovered people with antibodies now. Don’t mean the had it. Just means they were exposed. Anyone that knows the skin test for TB knows that. And it doesn’t mean you are immune. Just means you are not showing symptoms unless you are. Means you need to be watched more closely for symptoms not less.

      If the Don, excuse me, the Donald, had his way, we’d all be forced to take a shot some snake oil salesman is pushing and some quine we don’t need along with it. And we’d all be partying thinking we are immune.

      1. Lem ……”If the Don, excuse me, the Donald, had his way, we’d all be forced to take a shot some snake oil salesman”

        The Don already has the salesman lined up, His name is
        Dr. Bill Gates, He’s a gonna stick you and chip you for your safety of course and don’t forget he’s the biggest eugenicist around, …..It’s for the children….LOL
        Margaret Sanger would be proud of old Billy Boy …

      2. Dr…”LOL” Bill Gates admits plans to reduce population through use of vaccines – YouTube…I know, It’s on utube, even out of his own mouth but you would call it BS
        And who is pushing vaccines, Billy Boy.
        And I say Dr. Anthony Fauci got caught with his panties down
        The little puppet of Billy Gates that he is.

        Dr. Anthony S. Fauci running damage control for Pirbright Institute
        anthony fauciCDC propagandist Anthony S. Fauci, MD received major funding from The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation—who also funded the Coronavirus patent holder The Pirbright Institute (UK)

        Facui just recently received $100 million grant from Gates.
        CDC propagandist Anthony S. Fauci, MD received major funding from The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation—who also funded the Coronavirus patent holder The Pirbright Institute (UK)

  21. All we do nowadays is talk talk talk! I’m of the opinion that they, the evil in the room, all know we all will vent out and go away unhappy. We blog it out and other ways but most will never tell those who think they are in power and who do their damndest to interfere with those who are trying to do the right thing and are elected what we know and see is the truth. To us vets we paid for this place and paid for it to remain free and it is way past time we all need to get the freedom and our rights back and stop this molesting of us by the criminal press and liberal progressives. Who are actually just communist. We were all willing to put our lives in plain daily danger in wars or pre wars and yet here at home we are just silent spectators!!!

  22. First off, my comment is based on what Ben wrote and asked, also, without my having read any of the articles, all of which are from the same news source.

    One can not execute a successful strategy, without first identifying the problem.

    For brevity, I refer to this “pandemic” virus as C-19. This C-19, regardless of how it magically appeared at this precise moment in time, does have lab created properties from the base virus identified as coronavirus. When MSM reports that ” ___” tested positive for coronavirus, in my thinking, “___” has the common cold. Why does MSM rarely refer to this “pandemic” strain as COVID-19 when in the past, flu related (also sharing the coronavirus root) epidemics, the strain IS mentioned with never having mentioned coronaviruus?

    If research is done to identify the funding source for American MSM, it is quickly realized that Big Pharma is among, if not the largest financial investor which ultimately slants whatever is broadcast.

    Are you aware, that New Zealand is the only other country that allows Big Pharma advertising?
    There are over 300 pharmaceuticals that have lung complications listed as cause/effect from their consumption. The only way to understand Big Pharma and its effect/affect on patients, is to research every prescription before taking the first dose. Because insurers and provider management want “x” minutes given to appointments for maximum profit, you can NOT trust that every provider is actually educated of your individual complete medical history.

    The C-19 vaccine, by whomever wants to get in the game and be first, is a straight to humans as lab rats, “intervention”, and NO ONE knows how this will damage the host or their offspring. I caution, do not forget the PREP Act, “”, and sure, there is the so-called Vaccine Court, best wishes with that.

    There have been thousands of social media posts that have been pulled because the content is contrary to how the “controlling faction” wants for us to be programmed. It doesn’t matter that the information that was pulled, came from reputable individuals, with vast experience on the topic discussed, if it is deemed by the “controlling faction” to be “controversial” then by golly the other humans can’t be allowed to think for themselves.

    China has a controlling interest in what information is allowed for us to consume.
    An eyeopening book, “Stealth War China’s Silent Takeover While Americas Elite Slept”, by former Air Force Brig. Gen. Robert S. Spalding III, contains information that I think every American should devour before their next shopping excursion. A synopsis and I might add, well-done interview of the author can be found here: “”. I will add to this that paying close attention to Hong Kong and especially Taiwan is relevant to what happens in many aspects of our American livelihood. Doing a bit of research on those aspects and of those three cultural history’s and what is transpiring in the immediate future is important time well spent, IMO.

    We all have the congenital power to think and reason.
    In today’s world, many have been programmed with FOMO (fear of missing out), a strategy I think started when we got more than the weekday 6 o’clock news and our local newspapers for worldwide information. Among the only medical ads we saw were for Carter’s “tiny pills”, Alka-Seltzer, Doan’s “back pain relief” and assorted headache tablets, none of them requiring a prescription. Today we are blasted with a variety (in double digits) of Big Pharma ads that are, for the most part, biologics targeted at symptoms and do NOT have to follow other years-long pharmaceutical testing. Think about those drug ads we were relentlessly pummeled with, that have since had their product pulled (after making their $Bs) for injuring or killing the thousands that asked their doctor…!

    In this century, it is difficult for many of us to just plain disconnect, find a patch of nature and observe, for any length of time.

    Brainwashing is a strategic maneuver.

    1. People who read pray that the Coronavirus go away really really soon….Amen

    2. Yes Arnold, however one gets into a state of calming the mind and body, will always be an asset to their health.

      We humans have survived on this planet for a very long time and as a species, we have dreamt up thousands of ways to wreak havoc on the Creator’s work. Like OldMarine’s 10 min. video link of the WHO conference points out, those conversations filmed were about how the adjuvents response needed tweaking to create a far safer product. One comment that had my interest was a point made by the Nigerian representative, asking about the different types of adjuvents that are propriatory per manufacturer, and if that mix of adjuvents causes problems. In other words, if the host gets say three different vaccs and no one knows if the adjuvents in those vaccs are compatible or does that create the harm many are ultimately left to live with. Think of the mass vaccing given our troops. I’d like an answer to that question myself considering that today’s American newborns are scheduled to have 72 vaccines by the age of ten, and the very first one near their first breath!

      As far as the food shortage, humans have gone through this before and in this century, we have many YT videos among the usual sources, to get how-to info. Okay, maybe you have to fast from your favorite foods for a little while! If you’ll buy a few shelf stable goods such as dry beans for protein, rice for starch, flour, etc., and plant some veg to liven things up and get fresh air and exercise, I guarantee that you will not starve. There are many varieties of dry beans and rice to choose from and they do bring their own flavor profiles, if given a chance. As long as these items are decanted into keep dry & varmints out containers, they will keep their integrity for years.

      There is H.R.6666 (116) Congress that has been put up by an Illinois Representative, to assist in the collection of C-19 testing. There are already widespread scare vids circulating by folks that have not read the intent in the text as it has been presented. For starters, there is no “mark of the beast” in the numbers, it just happens to be numbers that are next in line for this session. No one is going to storm your house and take your children if you have the sniffles. Guys, do some research and please don’t take for gospel, even from those you “trust”, every point they’ll make. Too many just need to step away from the machine and get into a really good power nap!

      To the China controlling interest in what information Americans consume and the video I referenced above about “Stealth War”, there are some more points I’d like to bring up. First and foremost, to anyone reading this far, that has to do “something” with their moldy money, for the love of God and your fellow Americans, please recreate American made manufacturing entities to keep folks employed, and please get it done yesterday!

      Now to the conversation in the video, the conundrum that has been created by American companies allowing China to finance them (and for many to provide the labor), also has built into it that China gets full access to ALL company propitiatory info (and I do mean everything!) in exchange for the X$ loaned to the company to use at will, including way too many zeros for executive salaries. Now, the business savvy know many of those salaries include stock options, also having some quantity of zeros after a primary number. Who controls the stock? Exactly! So, to keep the shareholders mum while American laborers live check to check, well let me say it like this, China has the “bigwigs” by the gonads. If the companies pull out there is and will surely be a financial misfire. Remember the 1929 stock market crash, and the results felt by every economic class. We are fully capable of learning from history, so let’s get busy.

      Taiwan is a key player in China’s and America’s historical future. Taiwan is, but is not recognized as, a sovereign nation. That right there, all by itself, will dictate the outcome of world history.

    3. @Ben,
      I finally had a chance to get to your Fb page and read the many responses to your topic. A lot of good info in there. You wanted to know about pricing and I know that “” should give you the general public pricing. If you want VA pricing, maybe this link “” will be of help.

      One of the Fb comments has me wondering about the meds that Veterans are actually receiving at the VAMC’s. It is next to impossible for Veterans to get name brand or still within their patent medicines through the VA pharmacy, unless of course, the patient has outside health insurance coverage, or they are part of an experiment. We know that procurement seems tasked with securing needed items at the cheapest source (whether they work is immaterial) so in the VA study you referenced, were the drugs used VA purchased generics or the original pharmaceutical brand? I ask because I know folks that get no relief from many generics but, if they purchase the original brand name product they’ll fare better.

  23. The Trumpster is not in charge, FEMA is.
    Eliminati Executive Orders Warrant FEMA Labor Camps For US –
    See it with your own eyes when trump hands it over.

  24. Former AIDS Scientist Judy Mikovits PhD EXPOSES Anthony Fauci, Dr Birx & UNCOVERS Medical Corruption
    “AIDS Scientist Judy Mikovits PhD SLAMS Dr. Anthony Fauci & Deborah Birx EXPOSES Medical Corruption”
    Dr. Judy Anne Mikovits is an American researcher.
    Dr. Judy A. Mikovits earned her BA in chemistry with a specialization in biology from the University of Virginia in 1980 and her PhD in biochemistry and molecular biology from George Washington University in 1992. In her 35-year quest to understand and treat chronic diseases, she has co-authored seminal papers culminating at least a decade of research in each of four fields: immunology, natural products chemistry, epigenetics, and HIV/AIDs drug development.”

    1. At least you got the part that she is anti Fauci right. Otherwise her profile seem a little invented. Viruses are not her specialty. Basically she is an anti-vaccination freak so naturally she wouldn’t like someone in a top spot in a field that corrects her misguided theories.


      “Judy Mikovits is a controversial former chronic fatigue researcher and critic of Dr. Anthony Fauci and mass vaccination who is featured in a viral video vignette promoting a new movie called Plandemic. YouTube has since removed the video, but you can watch it later in this article.”

      1. Lem……..Why then if she was full of shit does utube keep taking it down and it’s only on Bitchute, What ever happened to free speech……We are turning into a communist country that’s why.

        Let the people decide…..She is not the only Dr. on this video.
        or did you not watch It?

        PlanDemic, a film about the global plan to take control of our lives, liberty, health & freedom.

        And I think the Rat Fauci is a lying scumbag

      2. I trust her much more than that no good evil up to his neck Faucci! Him and people like him, bill Gates etc got to go!!!

      3. Oh! No! It couldn’t possibly be because she is scientifically proven to be full of shit! Bravo UTUBE. you don’t get it right much of the time. As someone sad above, you don’t go to UTube for scientific advise from reputable scientists. They publish in respected forums.

  25. Here is the study I want to see: Of inpatients who received chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine and experienced adverse/unfavorable outcomes, (including arrhythmias, intubation, and/or death), what was the dosage administered?

    My money says that the vast majority of patients experiencing adverse/unfavorable outcomes received >800mg/day.

    1. I was given bottle years ago for potential Lyme disease, which I didn’t need cause test was negative. These unopened bottle are 200mg version. My brother tested positive was issued same by same doctor and he tested positive for Lyme and took his hydroxiqloroquine and he had no issues! Now the people they are giving it to now may be so far gone they were leaving anyway.
      This whole story has too much BS in it! The top secret section of our scam government run by unelected assholes could easily put the truth across the board out but they are as UNAmericaN as these Chinese!

  26. If you do the research, instead of watching tv, you will see that HCQ + Zink is an ACTUAL ANTIVIRAL! Will cure flu, common cold, and more. Big Pharma, and therefore the media (see all the pharmaceutical commercials?) are of course against it. They make money TREATING, not CURING. Sorry, but that evil is real, and that explains why the media is pushing remdesizere and denouncing HCQ + Zinc.

  27. Ben, Ben, Ben. That’s one helluva loaded question. Trust AP or Pig Pharma? No fuckin way to either. We are a failed state whose citizens cling to anger and denial in hopes that it isn’t so.

    That said, I created my own quinine concoction that included lime juice and gin. Did I mention loaded? Yup. A couple wee tokes and the day’s yard projects won’t exact a toll of lingering pain. Ninety plus days without Pig Pharma pain killers and other drool inducing shit.

    And now, back to the bunker.

    1. I think it is time for the VA to stop practicing on veterans – using unknown drugs, kids just out of medical school with no experience, kids just out of their PhD. programs practicing psychology on veterans, nurses who just graduated from nursing school and never worked on a patient.

    2. I trust the drug Remdesivir. It was given to patients in Chicago, Illinois. 7 patients recovered and 2 died. The patients who were the most infected with the virus and got the virus first died. Did not get the drug in time. The other drug hydroxychloroquine, I would not give you two cents for it. It is not effective. Someone who invested in the stock market on this drug gave President Trump one and a half million dollars for his 2020 campaign. They wanted President Trump to get the FDA to push this drug and release it to treat Covid-19, knowing that the drug does not have any benefit against Covid-19. And the cost of Remdesivir to make that IV is one dollar. Big Pharma wants to charge $4,500.00 for a 10 day supply of the medication that has to be administered through an IV. Big Pharma cost needs to be sued. The drug is so effective that hospitals are fighting over who gets the drug. There is no excuse for this. Gilead Corp. has already reached out to other medical corporations to help produce this drug and make it readily available for all hospitals to administer it to save lives. They found the cure to Hep C. I trust them to find a cure for Covid-19 before anyone else does. The drug Remdesivir was tested against a placebo and proved to be effective.

  28. This is absolutely incorrect in terms of recovery in Covid-19 patients using Hydroxychloroquine. Those using it a lone to treat Covid-19 were well over twice as likely to die than those using nothing. When combining it with Azithromycin patients we’re still twice as likely to die vs those not using it. This has been found in multiple studies in multiple nations so far, as well as first hand experience by doctors in NYC. If it worked they would praise it. There is ZERO benefit to keep the cure hidden. That’s not how medicine works. The only people saying it is a miracle cure are hucksters and people playing political games on the news. My peers are fighting this everyday in cities around the world and are desperate to find any solution that provides a consistent advantage to saving lives. They tried Hydroxychloroqine and it was consistently(very) a complicating element of treatment that resulted in additional deaths. The group sizes are too small to be absolutely certain but if you bought a table saw and everytime you used it you lost two fingers, compared to the zero fingers you lost with a traditional saw, you would stop using it quickly. Most would stop after the first time. Some would stop on the second. I’m not sure why certain media jerks and politicians want to keep promoting the broken saws when they themselves won’t risk their own fingers.

    Btw, there are no studies that say hydrozychloroqine has never resulted in death before covid-19 because it has. Even at the lower doses for malaria and lupus the drug has complications causing cardiovascular crisis and blindness, although in admittedly few cases. It is a very dangerous medication for a lot of Americans dealing with CV-19 due to pre-existing conditions as well as a boatload of dangerous drug interactions(common prescriptions!).

    I wholeheartedly agree with you on the cost aspect though! It is a relatively inexpensive medication which is why it was touted so heavily. The idea that everything else was an expensive overreaction while an inexpensive magic pill “we had forgotten about” could fox everything…its just irresistible to snake oil salesman everywhere. You will find the same concept and phrases used by diet and supplement scammers on the internet(and radio).

    1. Because Hydroxychloroquine negatively impacts collagen production & tissue stability.

      Collagen is in many organ tissues and connective tissues; including heart valves, retinal area, small intestines (absorbtion), and tendons.

      I didn’t read the article.

      Tendons have known to rupture while taking this medication, and/or you finish taking a full-script.

  29. Who best to provide feedback? Are you trying to test reading comprehension or scientific acumen?

    The best people to explain scientific information to lay people are science communicators. Sometimes that’s a journalist or science writer of some kind. Sometimes it’s your government health agency, when there is a functional one in place.

    Not really sure what you’re trying to decipher here. We live in a country with direct to patient advertising for medications, without a functional administration or competent, coherent plan to promote the general welfare in the face of a public health crisis.

    The best we can hope for is to look to other developed nations where infection and death rates are lower, observe their actions and consequences and listen to their science in the absence of our own.

    See France, who’s legit clinical studies found out that Hydroxychloroquine was bullshit as trump talked about the fake one. See Germany whose massive testing, contact tracing and early intervention keeps their death rate hella low. See South Korea who lifted restrictions just a little early, immediately had a spike and shut it down again. See Singapore – best contact tracing app in the world, extremely well regulated and transparent af, citizens are privacy protected -something that the US can’t do because technology corporations write the rules. Don’t wonder why we can’t have nice things.

    Our current administration has politicized human lives without batting an eye, pushing unproven treatments to the general public that resulted in at least one death. Even Fauci has succumbed, lightly – to the pressure to prematurely tout Remdesivir when the actual result was really ‘meh’ (not statistically significant.)

    Our federal government and all co-occurring agencies have checked the fuck out of any kind of responsible governance at this point. Ask a registered nurse for guidance – (most trusted profession, 18 years running.) We can evaluate data and evidence and explain how to put it in to practice. IstfG that the next administration needs a National Public Health Nurse to keep the Surgeon General in check. Adams has not been helpful and he should know better.

    Here’s the breakdown for you TL;DR types.

    COVID-19 could kill you. It’s contagious before you know you have it. There is no cure. There is no vaccine. Kids can get it. People of any age can die. It’s a game of Russian roulette at this point. (5/8/20)

    Protect yourself. MASK all the time in public and EVERYONE needs one. Buy a ‘cool’ one if you think it looks stupid – trust me, it looks better than you on a vent. If you don’t have to go out, don’t. Jesus will forgive you.

    Practice good self care, eat right, sleep right and control your stress. Ask for help if you need it. Wash your hands.

    We’re gonna have to ride this out. Look out for your neighbors, take care of yourselves. Find a scientist/clinical expert to talk to or ask questions of. For the love of god, comprehend that no legitimate scientist or reputable body publishes their data on fucking youtube or twitter. Clear?

    1. Sir, that’s a Awesome read. Thank you I agree that there is to much bad information out there. I also understand Ben’s point of view. We all want to know more about Covid19 it’s just crazy how others think there a specialist in this area.

      The want for knowlede is just the human nature but fact is there is nothing better the do what you can,wash your hands, avoid crowd’s if needed wear a mask. Make sure you know how to wear one.
      Stay safe,and healthy.

  30. It’s too clear that large companies buy legislation and that this has made its way into the medical field. Doctors can not use simple remedies because it undercuts big Pharma profits. Anything not controlled by their patents (profits) is pooh-pooed in the Press and then supported by the medical community vested in making decisions. Fear through Press and relief through expensive med’s is the tricky battlefield we must face now. Guaranteed the double-blind study isn’t done on whatever Fauci and WHO recommend.

  31. According to Dr. Mercola’s free daily email newsletter, since most news medaia are kowtowing to the government, which in turn is kowtowing to the Pharmaceutical industry (among others), they cannot be trusted. Therefore you’ll never read in any US news report about anything that is being done with boosting patients’ immune systems by giving them vitamin D and intravenous vitamin C – with great success. Or about how ‘proning’ helps patients with respiratory distress breathe easier, thereby rapidly increasing their blood oxygen to deathpreventing levels. Or how you can arm your immune system against COVID-19 by taking extra Magnesium, Zinc, Selenium and vitamins B, C & D orally.


  32. It is my understanding that hydroxychloroquine was discovered in 1955 and to date, hasn’t killed anyone. I am also under the impression, that many doctors have stated that it was effective ( like +2,000 recovered out of 2,100 COVID-19 patients ) in the USA, as well as Spain and Italy). In addition to being safe and being effective, it is very inexpensive since it is 65 years old.
    Other than those few, I cannot think of any reasons why anyone that is heavily invested in ‘ Big Pharma ‘ would not be excited about using hydroxychloroquine.

  33. “How could the U.S. Congress know that there would be a need for such legislation to address an illness that had not even been reported to have occurred in the United States?”
    On January 24, 2019, H.R. 748 was introduced in the House of Representatives. That bill stated that the short title is as follows:

    “This Act may be cited as the ‘Coronavirus Aid, Relief, and Economic Security Act’ or the ‘CARES Act’.”

    “Text: H.R.748 — 116th Congress (2019-2020) “

  34. Please focus a good amount of your research on the Iraq/Afghanistan Veterans. It is personally known to me that hydroxychloroquine given to our soldiers created long lasting cardiac and mental exacerbations. Apparently, VA doesn’t have a clue what to do with this knowledge and DoD stonewalls on any attempt to get data. The anti-malarials I took in Vietnam didn’t seem to have any deleterious effects.

    1. You took one of the later dugs? Not a quinine based drug? Not everyone had the side effects of the chloroquine primaquine either. The quinine is responsible for the side effects. The additives are attempts to modify the side effects of quinine that cures malaria albeit with side effects that are not as bad as continuing with and spreading malaria.

  35. We took chloroquine primaquine in Vietnam. I don’t know the difference between hydroxychloroquine and what we took. I know we took it only once a week and it had serious side affects for many. Plus the p. falciparum parasite eventually developed an immunity to it and other drugs had to be explored. I believe Quinine is the primary effective ingredient.

    I believe the article to be accurate. No real relationship between a rather large parasite (comparatively) and a virus. The p. falciparum could be seen on an ordinary medical microscope of the time in a smear and counted. Not so with any virus. Thus, we had many fevers of unknown origin (FUO).

    1. FUO was not affected or prevented by the quinine drug or any other antimalarial drug given in Vietnam. No affect on viruses of that era and place.

    2. You guys are all smarter than me. Stick with the Dutch Professor and Hutch.

      I will say, remember the PB pills for nerve gas and the side effects? I looked up Remdesivir on the Gilead website last week and it was not even listed. Only to read further it had never been used in the U.S. Now it is FDA approved and good to go. Zounds.

      Advice? Don’t get sick. If you do, stick with the quinine drugs in as low a dosage as effective. Talk to your doctor. If you can afford a private dr. to oversee, a 2nd opinion is good. No legitimate M.D. will object. Remember there are no true drugs to fight a virus yet.

      I left Ben a voicemail.

  36. You are on to something. The VA looks like it has a track record now of co-mingling on business activities with Gilead to profit financially, at the expense of Vets.

  37. “Or, do these articles push an agenda? If yes, what is the agenda?”
    Aaron Russo- N.Rockfeller

    1. And NOW Shinazi’s name pops back up!
      Remember how that reprobate “retired” right after the veterans committee wanted to ask him some questions over his “alleged poor work ethics” and his “profits” from that “miracle drug”!

    2. @Oldmarine,
      From: “Conservative Cartoons”

  38. look, the news media in a whole can not be trusted. and at the top of that list is associated press that has been corrupted as well by the left, that want to push for mandatory mass vaccinations of God only knows what they intend to put into our bodies as freakin human lab rats. sound familiar well it should its done In China, North Korea, Russia, Cuba, etc. in every socialist / communist country to the ppl and the ppl don’t even know. just like this wuflu/covid19/China virus! we the majority are expendable to these regimes.

  39. I think that there is a concentrated effort, either disinformation, Or, more likely to tamp down general panic by the public that the powers that be think its important to keep pitching the dream that there is a medical miracle in the pipeline. I agree that absent that, people are more likely to melt down and go ballistic. However, it undermines the media, govt and information in general to pitch a product that does not work, unless there is a financial incentive? (Maybe!) Regardless, while researching the topics NEJM and other sources are finding these drugs dont work and not hearing of any with promise. So why the spin? So I have very little faith in any media anymore and its good to have the internet as at least you have a chance to hear other sources but I assume everything is BS until I can fact check it.
    The reality is ANY drug or vaccination will be 12-18 months out in a perfect world, and by then this will go away or mutate which viruses tend to do.
    However I have had long held opinions that something is fishy in Denmark with the Flu shot scams in general because as we know they pick 3 from a crystal ball of what might happen next year and the accuracy leads me to believe you have better odds in Vegas. BUT… everyone is pushing flu shots and in some cases free shots so follow the money and WHY? I dont fully know but deeply suspicious of it. Its interesting when Covid starting making the news media and “Experts” doubled down and pushed even harder saying the current flu shot that was not effective against the regular strains of flu going around, would help with the pending Covid virus which is insane if you think about it. Funny how that evaporated but it was the mantra in Jan-Feb. So, hate to be a tin foil hat person, but id LOVE to know the backstory of the Flu Shot scams to begin with.

  40. Obviously the hydroxychloroquine/zinc combination is cheap and effective and is supposed to be given early. Gilead and the articles they paid for were just a move to get rid of hydroxychloroquine.

    1. Is anyone able to get hydrochloriquine now!? Do we know if any doctors are using it anyways!?

    2. According to some articles I’ve read, Fauci is playing a dangerous game with the pharmaceutical companies. He’s trying to push a very expensive vaccine instead of anything else.
      Plus, according to sources, Fauci is connected to:
      Bill Gates, Bill and Hillary Clinton foundation, the CDC, W.H.O., George Soros and other people.

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