Did This Veteran Bamboozle VA Examiners For Over $538,000?

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VA Bamboozle

Authorities have once again alleged a severely disabled veteran bamboozled highly educated VA examiners to gain over $538,000 in payments.

For the past few years, the Department of Justice and VA Office of Inspector General have loudly broadcast investigations against disabled veterans while failing to evaluate just how these severely disabled veterans, generally people without advanced degrees, somehow bamboozled highly educated VA examiners.

While any instance of substantial fraud is alarming, even to the tune of $500,000, the mere occurrence of such instances should raise at least a few questions about the disability adjudication system, itself.

Instead, federal allegations tend to solely focus on the lowly disabled veteran who received some amount beyond what he otherwise would have received.

But how can this happen? Is VA not using adequate training measures and adequate adjudication procedures to evaluate the merit of claims and the quality of evidence, already? If so, how can these veterans bamboozle the system like this?

RELATED: Research Suggests 99.4% Of Veterans Don’t Make Fraudulent Disability Claims

Fraud Allegations

Just last week, the Department of Justice announced its indictment against one disabled veteran for allegedly stealing $538,000 in VA disability compensation payments from 1997 to 2013.

Keep in mind, in the land of innocent before proven guilty, DOJ and VA OIG have already begun besmirching veteran Jose Calderon-Fuentes in the press prior to any conviction.

The crime?

RELATED: VA Defrauds 34,000 Combat Veterans Of Health Benefits

Fuentes allegedly exaggerated the severity of his vision disability. According to the DOJ press announcement, he allegedly told a VA examiner that he was unable to see any “better than hand motion or light perception”. DOJ goes on to conclude, “[I]n reality, he knew that statement was false.”

RELATED: VA Fraud Scheme Uses Unqualified Doctors To Evaluate TBI Disabilities

So what?

Fraud Is Bad, But Not Always Punished Fairly

Personally, I think fraud is bad and those who commit fraud should get penalized.

But it certainly seems like the amount of fraud here, while big to some veterans, is really a drop in the bucket when compared to the massive fraud perpetrated against taxpayers by corporations and politicians on a regular basis.

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Some years ago, a then subsidiary of Halliburton called Kellogg Brown & Root, was exposed for overbilling the Pentagon to build bases in Iraq and Afghanistan costing billions. Another company, Agility, was caught overbilling the Pentagon and penalized $1 billion. And then there are the untold millions siphoned from these same companies by private individuals through various schemes.

Do you recall the enormous banking fraud leading up to 2008 that almost destroyed our entire economy? Why was only one guy prosecuted?

What about the culpability of players like Goldman Sachs, JP Morgan, and Merrill Lynch leading up to the collapse? Didn’t Goldman Sachs create bets against its own investors and sell investment vehicles known to be shady?

RELATED: Congresswoman Convicted On 18 Charges Including Fraud

In those cases, the perpetrator is rarely held accountable much less named publicly.

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For these kinds of benefits fraud against veterans, DOJ and VA OIG are sure quick to make pronouncements without waiting to see what a jury concludes.

For example, in this DOJ article, it states the veteran new his statement about his vision quality was false. But isn’t that a factual determination to be considered by the jury?

The Untold Story Of VA Bamboozle

The untold story in many of these cases is the implicit reality DOJ never mentions in its press releases.

How did this severely disabled veteran, likely without an advanced degree, bamboozle highly educated VA examiners and its adjudication professionals?

There are multiple layers to any claim adjudication. First, a doctor or nurse usually assess the veteran in person.

The doctor has to evaluate if the veteran appears to be an accurate relayer of fact.

Then, the adjudicator evaluates the evidence including the examination notes.

RELATED: VA Pays Execs Huge Bonuses Despite Corruption

Is there any blame on VA for failing to accurately adjudicate or evaluate this veteran? How could these trained professional get duped this way?

I am beginning to grow curious about this pattern and wonder if there is more to the story.

Sources:

https://www.news4jax.com/news/jacksonville-veteran-charged-with-stealing-over-500k-in-fraudulent-benefits

https://www.justice.gov/usao-mdfl/pr/jacksonville-veteran-indicted-charges-stealing-538000-fraudulent-disability-benefits

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Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Lame Brain McCain strikes again. Why is as yet unknown whether he was voting against Trump or just for the Democrats. Or because he hates America.

“Senate Rejects Slimmed Down Obamacare Repeal as McCain Votes No”
By ROBERT PEAR and THOMAS KAPLANJULY 27, 2017
“https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/us/politics/obamacare-partial-repeal-senate-republicans-revolt.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage&region=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Simply put in the Veterans claim system it is not how disabled you are and how well you prove it. It is all about who you know. When you have County Veterans services officers only providing services to city and county staff.

DAV, VFW, and American Legion posts leadership employed by the VA in positions at the VA handling claims. Their assistance is provided in getting a claim through not just if you are a member but if you are connected to management in the post.

All other Veterans claims go into the automatic claim denial process.

Dan
Dan

I dont know what county you live in but the county I live in Aryn-Nate and Tanya will bend over back words and do anything they can to help you. And they ARE county Veteran officers. So please dont paint all of them with the same brush

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

WELL THEY HAVE TO THERE JOB SOMETIMES OTHERWISE THEY WOULDN’T HAVE SOME ONE LIKE YOU TO SAY THEY HELPED YOU ,,,YOUR JUST ONE OF THE FEW LUCKY ONES THAT IS ALL….GIVE ME A PHONE # AND WHAT ORGANIZATION/STATE AND LET ME SEE FOR MYSELF,….ALL MINE ARE IN MY SERVICE MEDICAL RECORDS SO IT SHOULD BE A PIECE OF CAKE FOR THEM…. And I live in Transylvania county where they just want to suck the blood from u and give you nothing in return…..

namnibor
namnibor

Yeah, right, Dan.
It was the very County Veteran’s Commission Officers, VSO’s that let TWO of my best friend Veterans die because they would not go to bat for wither of them when the VA arbitrarily decided to cut their meds off.
The one friend went to the streets and was using illegal intravenous drugs to get relief, as he was formerly a RN after all. His County Veteran Svc. Officer KNEW he went to the streets and did not care one bit…I know because I confronted his indifferent ass and all his response was, “The VA wanted the very best for your friend and the VA was just HAPPY that they were able to get his compensation approved.” No, I’m sorry I KNEW…nothing.
The other friend was left to die outside a homeless shelter because the Veteran Svc. Officer of the County said he was on his own because my buddy apparently did not serve enough chronological days in Activated Reserves when sent to the big kitty litter box in Middle East….my buddy and his Unit were called back to the States only TWO DAYS before he would have qualified for full benefits…so 2 days short of 24 months Activated Active Duty Guard…but the County said, “You’re on your own”….did not even try to help him get $$$ for food or shelter.

So do NOT come on here and act like all these County VSO’s are righteous. Fuck off.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Numbers not word’s. Post how many claims they won and how many they did not.

And why not !

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Dan,

I am happy to hear that the County Veterans do a great job in your area.

But Around my part of the country when a CVSO does his job they lose it. Here is an article on CVSO that made a mistake and did get a Mickey Fin pulled on him so that he would be fired.

“County fires veterans service officer”
By Shelley Nelson on Nov 3, 2015 at 8:45 p.m.
“http://www.superiortelegram.com/news/douglas-county/3871772-county-fires-veterans-service-officer”

james gallegos
james gallegos

you can show some people all kinds of evidence, yet they will make an excuse, it was only one ! If they would add all of them up its a problem.

Well, well it was not me ! ever heard of that Guy, It was not me !

They need to put on here how many cases they won and how many they lost and give examples of the problems these service officers have with the VA, maybe someone should know.

It will help them and the veterans. Quit staying quite !

I had a service officer sell me out and the VA hired her for doing their bidding !

Dan
Dan

I am truly sorry to hear that Seymore as Veterans we deserve better then this. But as I was trying to tell the other guy, it is completely unfair and unrealistic to pain all of the county VA workers with the same brush. There is good and bad on every issue. Its my hope that if the County VA person is doing their job that they are left alone, and it does not hurt to have a Veteran who is former Veteran Advocate for a sitting US Congressman, as a county Commissioner either.

namnibor
namnibor

@Dan…For God’s sake, there’s a ‘T’ in the word “PAINT”, it’s not PAIN, although you are one.

“Enunciate”–T. Capote, “Murder By Death”

Dan
Dan

For GODs sake, you have a problem with the truth? Seems this site does not have an edit feature or I would have corrected it myself

James Clement
James Clement

That simple explanation seems to fit my experience very well.

Lem
Lem

And mine

Dan
Dan

namnibor, if you want to use foul language do it someplace else I refuted your claim and if you want to call them and ask its 419-782-6861. And you VERY unfairly try and paint all the County VA workers with the brush of your opinion. So tell us namnibor, what makes you any better then the people you are complaining about?

namnibor
namnibor

You can ‘refute’ all you want, I need not call some # not even in my area code or anywhere, I know how I lost my own close friends so do not even try to justify yourself through trying to act like any VA Psych and stating it really did not happen the way you think…if my foul language evokes the asshole in you, perhaps you should be asking yourself why you’re so defensive. Oh, and thanks for further pissing on my friend’s graves with your indifference and denial. Very VA like.
Interesting how just about anyone that comes on here in past to present named “Dan” was of the exquisite asshole variety…probably a funny hat as well.

Gurgle.

Dan
Dan

You asked me to provide a number namnibor, and I did, now you are complaining about that and still calling names like a spoiled 2 year old. I am sorry but I cannot believe anything you say if you are going to act like this. You are suppose to be an adult, so how about acting like one

james gallegos
james gallegos

what is your VA job, all is well Hu ! Thousands of people will disagree with you, why do you think their is so much talk about the VA being the worst place to work, thousands of veterans dying, denied their deserved disability.

Veterans on here do their homework and post what they see and read ! VA has falsified wait time and lies to congress, the VA committee on veterans affairs and the veterans, defending the undefeatable !

Former VA worker, suffered for forty years because VSO officer believed the VA, that my official military records were destroyed, when they had them all along.

How many veterans must die, before VSO officers get the message, the VA is not a friend to veterans, they are their downfall !

Get Real !

Dan
Dan

james I dont work for the VA and never have. But to pain every VA worker (county or otherwise) with the same brush is just plain wrong. There are bad ones like the one out in Phoenix that Songbird McCain voted to allow her to get her retirement and bonuses, but I have to believe that there are good ones as well otherwise whats the point of even having the VA. If they are all bad then we need to raize this to the ground, salt the earth and start over after firing everyone from the Sec on down to the trash collector. You have to hope that there are some good ones there, otherwise whats the use? Everytime I go to the VAMC of Northern Indiana I am treated with respect and I never leave the place that someone there isnt saying “Thank you for your service”. If I had one complaint about it, it would be the parking as there is far too little of it. But by trying to paint every VA worker with the same brush is equal to the Vietnam Soldiers being spit on and called baby killers, to the WW2 soldiers being called losers because of them being chased out of Africa by Rommel. It is just plain unfair. If you are not doing your job then yes by all means be replaced, but if you are doing your job, then why punish them? Simple logic

91Veteran
91Veteran

Dan, unfortunately in many of the bad things we find out about going on at the VA, we also find many of what you describe as “good” employees who are well aware of what the bad employees are doing…and those “good” employees do nothing.

Even in instances where there may be laws requiring they report problems…they stay silent.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Veterans on this site have said over and over, there are good employees and Some have blown the whistle and for their concerns affecting veterans care,

They are retaliated against by the bad one’s. !

I worked for the VA for 25 year’s, I was not social, all work and other employees knew if I seen a veteran being harmed in any way, that employee would be written up.

Some people may call that a 🐀, that’s fine at least that employee knows better to harm anyone in front of me.

VA employees hate people like me and have retalated against me. I am a whistle blower !

Blowing the whistle on how veterans are being punished by the illegal disruptive committee !

Employees can and do report many veterans as being disruptive, beause they say something about an employee or their treatment and other B.S.

VA employees do not have to follow VA regulations, the VA is letting employees use hearsay as fact (truth) and will admit they have no proof, but will punish that veteran anyway.

Do some real research about the VA as a whole, then come back on here and tell us what you have found out !

Remember the VA is the worst rated federal enity, thousands of veterans have died waiting for care and VA employees tried hiding the facts.

The good employees You are speaking about are just as guilty as the employees harming veterans when they look the other way.

Dan
Dan

And just how do you know they are looking the other way? SOMEONE had to make a call about the people in Phoenix and Indy and the files that were found outside in the Dumpster at the VA Regional Office in Detroit. So why paint them with the same brush?

namnibor
namnibor

@Dan- *NEVER* did I *ASK* for any fucking number. YOU are putting words in my mouth. Stop being a true dick. Never wanted a number in first place. Check all my posts. Not ONCE did I ask for a number.
Check your meds or maybe your crackpipe is broken you fool putting words in my mouth.
Again, fuck off.

Dan
Dan

Sorry but you did namnibor, and your continued use of foul language is not needed. Any person with two brain cells can say what they want without resorting to profanity. So whats your problem that you seemingly cannot?

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

What do u do for veterans. Won vs loss !

What’s ur job.?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

James Gallegos…..I smoke a bowl then I pretend like I’m a doctor ….I was just joking with this comment…….. I’m going to get fired for this

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Me too !!!!

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

LOL

Dan
Dan

A retired Disabled Vet. And Tanya will tell you I have helped with everything I could for any Vet who asked me because its the right thing to do.

Why?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

DAN the dumb ass it was me asking for the # not namnibor

Dan
Dan

Guess we know who the DA is, say hello next time you pass a mirror

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

@Dan & namnibor,
First to Dan,
I’ve read each comment between you and namnibor. I have to side with namnibor on him NOT asking for a phone number from you! As a matter of fact, you were the one to first offer up a phone number!

Secondly, As far as namnibor’s replies back to you. The way his close friends were not taken care of by the Veterans Administration, and local VSO’s, can cause a person to curse!

Lastly, I’ve lost two VERY close friends in the past two years. All due to VA’s incompetent medical care! The VSO’s responsible for them, cared little for them. Hell, they didn’t even have the courage to come to the funerals!
If they had, well – their asses may have been handed to them!

NiteWish
NiteWish

Lets see Dan goes to the VAMC of Northern Indiana & gives a phone # for Defiance, Ohio. Troll alert?

Dan
Dan

No troll alert. fact. SO whats your point? Or do you have something against the truth?

NiteWish
NiteWish

Dan, My point was some ‘trolls’ use identity deception & others here are more apt at spotting them. It was a simple question, nothing more.
There are 100’s of definitions for “Trolls”. “https://darkpsychology.co/troll/”

Dan
Dan

And who is the most proficient poster? The biggest “troll” of them all

NiteWish
NiteWish

Dan, that would be ME.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

NiteWish ….LMFAO

NiteWish
NiteWish

OldMarine, I’ve been angry, I’ve been rude, I’ve cussed, Gone off topic, Participated in chit-chat & etc……

I’ll admit I know nothing. I do research ‘facts’ when I’m interested. So maybe its not Me.

Dan
Dan

No, that would not be you. Its the foul mouthed one

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Were you ever in the military, they curse all the time.

Going to tell the enemy excuse me for cursing. But I have to kill you now !

NiteWish
NiteWish

Veterans call it Free Speech, earned by blood, sweat & tears.

Dan
Dan

In a combat zone yes, I can see that happening. But honestly, would you actually be cursing like that around your mother or grandmother or daughter or aunts? Really?

NiteWish
NiteWish

Dan you have passed my ‘your for real’ test. Welcome aboard. I am female & mostly edit out the foul language, though sometimes I do laugh at it.

Dan
Dan

Im glad I passed your test, though I had no idea I was suppose to take one

NiteWish
NiteWish

While doing VA exercises side arm lifts for ‘arthritis’ I gave myself a spontaneous pneumothorax[lung collapse] Another reason why I don’t trust the VA & their ‘medical’ practices. If not for my niece balling her eyes out please Auntie go to the hospital I’d have just continued to lay in bed until dead. Did that injury on Monday, went to hospital Tues night, released Saturday. Now where is the Prudent Layperson denial letter stating this is not an emergency. LOL Lack of oxygen appears to have blurred my vision. Can’t follow the posts when you can barely see them. While there I gave this website to the wife of an agent orange vet.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Its really sad, that veterans would rather die at home, afraid the VA will kill them anyway.

Give ur niece a big hug for me, without her, you may not be posting today.

To bad are love one’s are also effected !

At least u have a reason to live, screw the VA !

Let’s stay alive and give them what for !

Dan
Dan

Yes I was in the US Army and retired from there, and yes they do curse but not as much as three of the posters here. Seems like every third word is a curse word

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Maybe they are sailors, so what’s ur story?
A lot of people on here have had a really bad experience dealing with the VA.

I had to suffer from a gun shot to the head and found out 40 year’s later that due to being shot that the VA had lied about my military records were distroyed in a fire in may 1973 and I was discharged in Oct 1973.

Suffered with ptsd, called by the VA that I was a milinger, faking, ended up in jail for drinking and driving.

Tried to commit suicide, divorced 2 times, the va has done this to hundreds if not thousands of veterans.

I hired an attorney and found out the VA had lied about my official military records and had them all along.

Had a former coworker lie to the VA after I retired medically, she only did so in retalation for me saying something about her job performance.

The VA admitted they had no proof of me ever being disruptive, they can not even put me at the clinic.

The Denver VA believed what she said as fact and punished me for 5 year’s, had 2 doctor’s harm me physically.

They threaten me stating If the VA “ever” hears that I become disruptive “again” that they would file federal charges, have me arrested and banished from all VA care.

Denver has covered up since 2004 and has put so much pressure on me, that I do not trust any of them.

I am 100% disabled and should have been since I was discharged.

If you would do some real research about the VA, you Should be outraged and will have a better understanding of what so many veterans had been through.

Sometimes we get VA employees coming on this site and get the veterans even madder, I guess they get off on it.

You, we do not know exactly what they are going through. Many of us have become reclusive, because of what the military and the VA have made us go through.

You should understand that they have every right to be 😠.

We need people to help, not come on here and preach, as they are preaching to the choir.

Been there done that !

Dan
Dan

I agree, they do have a right to be upset with how they were treated. But to try and pain EVERY VA worker with the taint of the idiots that treated them badly makes them no better then the people they were complaining about. Its like my father always told me “If you have a problem with someone, you have a problem with THAT person and that person alone. You DO NOT have a problem with that persons race or the company where they work or that persons family. So if you have a problem with a person then deal with that person and dont try to bring the world into it.”

Pretty smart old man if I do say so myself.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Dan, resolving a problem with an individual is fine as long as the individual agrees there is a problem, but that doesn’t match reality at the VA where the lies get bigger the higher up the chain you go.

If you have a problem in a clinic, you might try resolve it with the clerk, nurse, doctor or chief of the clinic, but when they all lie to cover their asses, then what?

Sure a veteran can go to a patient advocate, but when the patient advocate lies, is never in their office or refuses to return phone calls, then what?

You might go to the Chief of Patient Safety, Chief of Staff or right to the directors office, but again, when they lie or if anyone in that chain refuses to recognize a problem, then what?

You can go to the VISN director, VA HQ or the IGs office, but again, what do you do when they lie or refuse to acknowledge a problem?

Well, you can go to your congressman, but then you have to hope they will actually recognize the problem and act further than doing a simple inquiry…and getting the same lies in response.

Believe me, I have done all of the above, and it was only a FOIA request where the proof was provided that the problem was finally solved.

Many vets here faced the same problems of lying bureaucrats, so while solving problems with individuals is nice, the VA is full of ass-covering bureaucrats that will not think twice about lying to your face, regardless of what it means for your health.

Further, if you look up the news articles about that VA employee in Louisiana beating an elderly veteran to death, there were a number of VA bastards that covered it up. It was the county coroner who pushed for charges while VA management looked the other way, and the AFGE union helped keep that thug on the payroll.

The problem with your utopian idea of the VA is that there has been zero accountability for these actions for many years, and dead veterans is the result.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

91… and it was only a FOIA request where the proof was provided that the problem was finally solved.
HOW DID YOU WORD YOUR ..FOIA…I need to do the same.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Oldmarine, your FOIA request needs to be worded towards obtaining records for whatever problem you are trying to solve.

In my case, I wanted to see how every VA appointment I had within a certain time frame was coded for whether it was service connected or not, and why they billed my insurance for service connected care.

I don’t recall the specific wording, but could look it up if you need.

I essentially said I request a printout of every appointment at Grand Junction VAMC from xyz date to xyz date, and how that appointment was coded. That record also showed the primary reason for the appointment, so it made it easy to match up with other records that showed their mistake in not coding it service connected.

The other FOIA I submitted was to the VA Executive Office for a copy of any records, emails, faxes, etc., showing what action McDonald took or directed to be taken to resolve the fraudulent billing of my insurance at Grand Junction.

Up until I submitted that FOIA, the records showed very little waa happening other than finger pointing between Grand Junction and their facility handling the billing. At some point, the FOIA records showed Shulkin emailing another flunky to look into it, with various other VA managers from VAHQ down through the VISN and to the local VA digging into it asking what was being done about it.

The FOIA response from the VA Executive Office had all names, phone numbers or email addresses redacted, but I got the exact same FOIA response from the local hospital with none of that redacted.

The two biggest issues with that FOIA response was that it showed McDonald not doing anything at all to look into the problem, and local VA managers more concerned with covering their ass and how they might look bad in the local media.

Both responses were very eye opening.

Ben had a couple posts here some months ago with the wording you can use for a request for records either under FOIA, or under the Privacy Act. That wording is very helpful. All you need to do is copy that wording from Ben’s post, and add what specific records you are looking for.

Also, these requests can be submitted using email. Do a search on Veterans Affairs FOIA officer, and you can find a listing of every FOIA/Privacy Officer in the VA, including their telephone and fax numbers and email addresses.

One final note. Don’t let any VA FOIA officer try bluff you into thinking you will have to pay for those records. If they contact you suggesting they will bill you for those records, tell them to put it in writing so you can include that bill in the inquiry you will have your congressman make, and to include it in press releases you will send to the media showing the VA is billing veterans for access to your own records.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

91….Found it..Thank you

Dan
Dan

No, I have to disagree. In just todays Ft Wayne Journal gazette (Wed Aug 2nd) We find that 2 people were fired and 2 more were suspended with the very real chance of them being fired as well at the Peru Indiana VA Outpatient Clinic (Peru Indiana is where they house Air Force 2 so the security around that AF base and town is VERY strict)

1. They reduced the amount of pain killers prescribed to 6 patients without an exam or notification, and he was the Associate Chief of Staff of the place! He was placed pushing papers until the investigation is complete and then he will be terminated because one of the patients died. he also faces a civil lawsuit from these 6 patients and or their families so he is in deep trouble and sinking quick.

2. Had 2 employees who made blind appointments. Meaning they made the appointment without the patient knowing it and then cancelled it. Both of them were fired on the spot.

Down in Indianapolis they found the director of the VA Hospital there was a spouse of the regional Director and they were writing each other scripts for pain killers. One was terminated on the spot and is facing 30 years in a federal prison and the perm loss of their medical license while the other is also facing federal prison time and the loss of their license as well.

In Ft Wayne VAMC I had to get a port for treatment and yet the VA there fought me tooth and nail about sending me Heprin (a blood thinner) when I could go to the drug store and get Buffrin which is the same thing. I fought them for over 6 months and the end result was the Director of the hospital was reassigned and put on probation. The Chief of staff was demoted, the Head of the Pharmacy was demoted and put on probation and was warned that if he EVER so much as refused a prescription from a doctor again (unless he found out the medication would conflict with the medication the Veteran was already on) he would be fired instantly and his license would be revoked. Now when I call into that hospital for medicine, or to make an appointment, its “yes SIR how can we help you today SIR” honestly thats a little embarrassing.

But even with all of that, I only blame the people who caused the problem, not every VA worker there. And yes this was serious as if the port is not cleaned on a regular basis, it can turn into a clot and the port is attached to a vein going directly to my heart. If a clot or a part of one breaks lose, instant heart attack so this could be a very deadly instance.

As you can see they are trying to clean up the VA, but this mess didnt happen overnight and wont be cleaned up overnight. Thats why I keep saying you cant pain every VA worker with the same brush

91Veteran
91Veteran

Dan, all of what you said proves my point.

Yes, there are those being held accountable now like the husband/wife you mentioned, but only because it became a public issue.

The people involved in the medication being cut off are being held accountable due to lawsuits. I can guarantee you those veterans or their families likely repeatedly contacted the VA to resolve those problems, and they were ignored until a veteran died. Think of how many VA employees were contacted by those 6 veterans begging for proper medical care, with every one of those employees failing to act until one died.

In your own example, it’s clear there were multiple people aware of the issue, and all failed to act until you pushed it hard enough to get someone’s attention.

The point I am making is that there are often many VA employees aware of a problem, but not a damn one of them will move to fix it on their own until forced to do so.

There is no reason for a problem needing to become a public scandal before bureaucrats act.

In your example, you were lucky in resolving the situation before you ended up dead. There are many veterans not so lucky, and their families end up picking up the pieces.

Think of how many worthless VA employees you had to contact to resolve your problem?

Yes it is getting better, but it will not be where it should be until a veteran only has to alert 1 VA employee to resolve a problem.

How do I know it is still not where it needs to be? The news reports of veterans continuing to commit suicide in VA parking lots. You can bet your ass those veterans tried to get help by alerting VA employees to a problem. They were clearly ignored. Their suicides prove it.

Dan
Dan

Again 91 Veteran, what I said proves my point. they are trying to fix the VA but it is not going to happen overnight as the problem didnt not magically happen overnight

91Veteran
91Veteran

Oh, and Dan? If there are some poor VA employees getting their feelz hurt because they are lumped in with bad VA employees, then they should do a better job of getting rid of the bad ones instead of looking the other way.

Dan
Dan

Oh and 91Veteran? Why do you feel the need to attack innocent people?

Dan
Dan

Sorry missed the T in paint. My keyboard slider broke and now my keyboard is lopsided until I get the parts to fix it tomorrow or Thursday. Sometimes I tap the key and it does not make a connection.

Dan
Dan

STILL absolutely NO reason to use foul language. I didnt cause any problems so if he is angry then be angry at the people who caused the problem, not everyone else.

namnibor
namnibor

@Crazy elf- Thanks for having my six. I knew the troll was trying to manipulate and it just will not work. Like I am dumb enough to call some number posted out as bait? Ha…HA!

~~Gurgle~~ *Veracious Troll Alert* ~~Gurgle~~

No more Troll Scooby Snacks for you, Dan. *Dick*

**FLUSH**

(we may have a floater down here)

Dan
Dan

Sorry but you are fast becoming not worth the effort. If you have a problem then you have a problem with the people who caused it, NOT everyone else. maybe your attitude is what needs changed.

cj
cj

@Dan: Dan, how many people does it take calling you an asshole or dick before you get the message. Now I understand in your pea brain mind, that I used foul language, when I was only quoting others.

The only attitude I see that needs adjusting is yours, you claim be mad at others and not you, you tell a disabled Veteran on this site “you are fast becoming not worth the effort”. Typical VSO BS, see Dan? It does not take too much time at all to let a VSO have enough rope to hang themselves with. In fact you are just like the other VSO’s you wish to not be included with.

Instead of looking like a manly man, you end up looking like a man trying to shoot pool with a rope, know what I mean Irv?

namnibor is a well respected member of this community, and a friend to all, your not.
namnibor has always had a positive impact on other Veterans lives, you so far, have fallen way short in our eyes.
OLDMARINE said it best of all, “Dan the Dumbass”

Now Danny boy, exactly who the fuck you think you are coming to this blog and telling member what language they should or should not use, they defended this country for anyone to use any language they damn well please, in fact, they have MORE of a right than anyone else to use whatever language they so chose. Got it language NAZI useless piece of shit VSO asshole. Now, as nice as I can possible say this, go fuck yourself..

Dan
Dan

I guess that means that when your parents call you that, then its ok?

cj
cj

You want to talk about parents? let’s start with your bitch mother, asshole, then we can move on to your asinine father. See dipshit, I won’t fall for your bait and trap BS. Last word is mine. Don’t expect an answer to your next post addressed to me.

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“https://i.makeagif.com/media/8-01-2015/Cl7olH.mp4”

Dan
Dan

And just why do you want to talk about your parents like that? The conversation was between me and another person and you decided to stick your nose in it and call names so you cant complain now when it happens to you.

namnibor
namnibor

@Dan The Dumbass Dick:
“[And just how do you know they are looking the other way? SOMEONE had to make a call about the people in Phoenix and Indy and the files that were found outside in the Dumpster at the VA Regional Office in Detroit. So why paint them with the same brush?]”

Dumbass: It was NOT a single VSO that alerted the horns or played Whistleblower to expose the Phoenix VAMC Wait List Scandal…NOR 99.99% of every other scandal making Ben’s Blog…it was Veteran VA Employees wanting to do the right thing.

All those VSO’s haunt every hall of every VAMC and all have their heads with funny hats all up each other’s and the VA’s ass covering for them under the guise of “Assisting Veterans”…

..VSO’s have lost their way and relevance and with technology and networking, your typical Dino VSO is only fighting for air ($$$$$) for survival…not helping Vets to the maximum by helping clean-up the VA swamp…because you are piggy’s wallowing in swamp as well.

Oh, so sorry about your once-virgin-ears. You obviously are not around other veterans all that much or that cherry would have been popped long ago.

Now once again, fuck off dumbass dick.

Dan
Dan

Talking about yourself again I see. Respected member? Not hardly. The most vocal and foul mouthed? yes. If this were another thread you would be considered a spammer. And if you did this on any other thread your posts would have been removed for violating the terms of agreement for posting. I have met many people in the Military like you, and we had a way to solve them. We made them walk point.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Dan ……Walk point I bet u should know, just for being A asshole, ASSHOLE…And u sound like a spammer with a funny hat, now run along ASSHOLE no funny hat wearing mother fucker is needed here, go try bull shiting on some other site maybe someone will believe you there ……ARE ALL U FUNNY HAT WEARING TURD’S AS STUPID AS U

Dan
Dan

Talking about yourself again I see. You know your doctors warned you about that.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Dan …..You need to lay off the koolaid and smoke a bowl….and u better watch it I’m a gona huff and puff and blow that funny hat off of your head……want a hit?

Dan
Dan

So now we know why you act like you do. You’re stoned

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Try it boozer, drunks always talk shit and end up with a black eye.

I would rather be around someone smoking pot, than a boozer.

After awhile their true colors come out.

Dan
Dan

Try what?I am not a boozer or a drug user as I find I can do far better with a clear mind then a clouded one

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

U would need to have a clear mind to keep up to my fog-ed one…I bet u learned a lot shuffling papers around…..Want a hit?

Dan
Dan

Have no idea what a paper shuffler is or does, I was in the field.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Sorry ptsd at work.

Dan
Dan

I know what you mean with the PTSD. Docs said I had a bad case of it back in 93′. Cant be in the same room with a person in a white lab coat as its either fight or run still to this day. And God help you if you come at me with a needle, even in jest. Life took a decided “turn” when you wake up in a hospital and they are operating on you and you have no pain killers or “gas” or oxygen and no way to say anything. The gas passer darn near killed me and he actually did kill a Chief Petty Officer as he let him have some “soup” before the operation. Sort of hard to deal with this when you are in a VA psych area being treated for this and one person turns the corner wearing one of these lab coats. Lets just say that almost everyone in the hall way had a very bad day that day.

NiteWish
NiteWish

In the newspaper today:
When someone says something ‘obnoxious’ you reply “Am I hearing you correctly, That sounded snippy”

Dan
Dan

No, when someone says Obnoxious I think of three people on this thread who seemingly think they know it all and demand that everyone accept what they state as fact.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

3 you and who else.?

Dan
Dan

Sorry but it isnt me

namnibor
namnibor

@Dan- Why must you be the Moby Dick of Dicks?

Dan
Dan

I cant be. YOU have earned that title and wear it proudly

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

This guy is having fun picking on you, ignor him. Not worth our time. No positive input.

NiteWish
NiteWish

James might be a girl or girlyman or part time minister incapable of handling foul words.

Dan
Dan

Highly doubt it. I have colored the air myself when an M-60 opened up on my platoon, but that does not mean I have to use that kind of language every time.

91Veteran
91Veteran

Why would any enemy you faced open up on your platoon with an M-60?

Dan
Dan

Stolen weapon

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

James…….not even a good conspiracy theory…….

Dan
Dan

Maybe not but its all you got

Dan
Dan

I figured that much, thats why I told him in my unit; he would have a perm assignment of walking point

CorpsmanUp!
CorpsmanUp!

The problem is that the OIG is set up to recover the money years later after a claim has been approved. Just like insurance fraud investigators.
It is just time to expose the OIG again with their fraudulent prosecutorial practices. They have agents who actively search through the CAPRI system when they do these types of investigations. They require a warrant , but they don’t follow the law as required.
They government including DOH is a Racket against veterans.
My belief is that you literally are an inmate to the VA when you submit to their bullshit jurisdiction via collecting benefits.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@CorpsmanUp! – – – I’m a warm fart close you. We should get in touch with one another. Leave a note, and I’ll post my number. I left you a comment a couple of days ago. – – – Nutter.

Jo3n
Jo3n

The question is did he? All I know is what the VA said. I’m a firm, do the crime, do the time. If you get caught. How VA handles Veterans claims is another subject altogether. What’s going on now in the VA is scarier.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@91Veteran – – – I got your comment about contacting the Information Officer, to obtain my progress reports from my Nurse and ex-PT person. Something is amuck since the only thing of the reports in my file, is the a note saying they were received. Why the VA doesn’t have this information on my file, maybe hiding something like I’m really not well enough to continue on THEIR (VA’s) path of treatment. My Nurse agrees with everything that I’ve shared with her. She visits me tomorrow. Thanks 91. – – – Nutter.

91Veteran
91Veteran

ANutterVet, saying what they can find in your file and complying with a FOIA request are two different things.

Any of your providers could intercept your request for records and claim not much is found. A simple request may not have much weight in law.

With a FOIA request, the Privacy Officer is required to log it in, required to respond that they received your request, required to make a search of whatever clinic might have your records, and required to comply with your request within 20 days. They might request an additional 10 day extension.

Either way, they are required to either respond in writing providing the records, or required to respond In writing stating they did not find any.

Either way, you have them by the balls.

If they have your records, you can ask why they have not provided better care based on the progress notes.

If they claim no records are found, you can ask why the hell they are paying an in-home care nurse who writes progress notes, but are somehow lost by the VA.

Telling you they received the notes is not what you asked for. You are asking for the actual notes which you have every right to receive.

91Veteran
91Veteran

To add to my comment ANutterVet…I was lied to repeatedly by local VA officials, and other VA management all the way up to that worthless fuck McDonald.

I can prove it because I got tired of being lied to and submitted a FOIA request.

Dennis
Dennis

Anyone want to hazard a guess how many vets who work at VA eventually receive VBA be efits of some kind? Any wagers on how many former military VA nurses retire early via the IU clause and suddenly become diagnosed with a service connected disability after they work at VA for a while?

Has ANYONE ever investigated former military VA employees to see if the statistical odds are in their own favor when applying for services? How about individual state VA? Did you know there are HUGE statistical differences between who gets granted VBA benefits for PTSD according to which state they are sought in? Has it never occured to anyone to audit individual adjudicators to see if Santa Clause is real and not a myth? Hasn’t ANYONE audited early retired VA nurses to see how many them draw IU and full VBA in addition to Social Security, or is it just too tough to track them down on the ski slopes of Aspen?

Good buddy deals flow throughout VA and it boggles the imagination to get a grip on how much cash is being funnelled to the good ol boys that play along nice. The numbers have to be staggering because the billions funnellled into VA evaporates faster than a teenage boys promise once he learns his girlfriend is pregnant.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

DENNIS….. Did you know there are HUGE statistical differences between who gets granted VBA benefits for PTSD according to which state they are sought in?…….you are right, And Not just PTSD every thing you claim.

or is it just too tough to track them down on the ski slopes of Aspen?….LOL…LOL GOOD ONE

namnibor
namnibor

Those huge differences between VA benefits depending what State they live in and apply in exists as to show very clearly that the VA is definitely NOT a standardized system but rather, a huge standardized systemic mess.
ANY true ‘system’ would not matter one bit whether applying for benefits while living in New Jersey or Arizona but there indeed is a huge chasm between facilities and VA Regional Offices….yet, the regulations are all standardized and NOT State Specific, so……………..that CLEARLY states that the incompetent human bags of flesh called the AFGE are the SYSTEMIC PROBLEM, not so much the regulations or ‘system’…the bags of wasted human flesh filled with cottage cheese, rotten spices, puppy dog tails and absolutely nothing nice is the HUGE problem with the VA.
Why is it that quite often a Veteran that’s had an established and granted Disabled Veteran Compensation from a certain State and for years, that decides to move to another State and once moved, that new VARO will suddenly declare, “We do things differently here or you are not really disabled so we are ignoring what your prior VARO and VAMC did and going rogue…and by the way, you now owe the VA $XXXXXXX.00 for illegally receiving VA benefits….WTF?

Something tells me AFGE Piggies line their pockets with such gaming of the system and throw we Vets under the bus so they can enjoy yet another year of daily lunch all you can eat buffets from the VA Pharmacy window…and a Purple Team Never-ending Conference Room Table Of Donuts.

Now, that does not excuse ANY blatant or otherwise fraudulent claims. However, as difficult as the VA Comp. Claim System is, I find it VERY unlikely that very many Veterans are able to game such a fucked-up system.
What’s more likely? What’s more likely is rather than the VA Claim Evaluators getting fired for making grave errors, the VA simply goes after the Veteran FOR the VA Evaluator’s mistake, while the VA Evaluator receives a huge bonus for reclaiming that $$$, whether it was warranted or not. THAT’s what we are contending with because the human element at the VA is a steaming pile of poo that’s ALWAYS hungry for more cookies.
In a mood already today.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Maybe that veteran needs to hire a good P.R. firm and turn his steaming pile of shit into a nice chocolate cake like the VA does…The OIG is a joke its just PR blowing smoke up our asses like they are doing something,..YEA you get vet’s that try to scam the system but its peanuts compared to what they get away with.
A VA employee gets caught and its only musical chairs, There settlement agreement when they fire an employee is just relocation money to move to another VA employment mill…..Such a deal…LOL

And I almost forgot travel pay fraud is a crime, It’s posted everywhere so u won’t forget.

And NUTTER I don’t get any progress reports or doctors notes any more because I use it as proof against them, So they cant tell me I am making shit up, just cut off the info..LOL

They have too many crooks in their kitchen and can’t keep their story straight of the ingredients in their world famous shit sandwiches …LOL

namnibor
namnibor

RAND Corp. has found upon very close evaluations that the VA’s world famous shit sandwiches are indeed standardized brown matter from State to State. The only difference is the thixotropic properties of those world famous shit sandwiches. Some stick to the walls like super glue and others just slide right down.

Rand Corp. recommends fiber made from shredded Kevlar and Teflon.

namnibor
namnibor

Word of the day: Thixotropic-(use in medical/chemistry) The property exhibited by certain gels of becoming fluid when stirred or shaken and returning to the semisolid state upon standing.

Used in VA setting: Engorged Purple Team Member is a thixotropic bag of shit.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Well I know for a fact if you use the Teflon diet there is no need for toilet paper, may not even need to flush with the momentum coming out of the chute but that only works if you stay away from the VA shit sandwiches and their so called medicine…But if you do take their form of medicine and need to detox watch the vid. below for directions …LOL

“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRwlwCH1vmI”…1;29 min
Taking A Trip | Assy McGee

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I should have added this song also came to mind.
Paul Simon – Slip Slidin’ Away …LOL
“https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUODdPpnxcA”

namnibor
namnibor

My ass does not need the encouragement of depth charges to loosen things up. I live with polar opposite problem and dream of *just* one day of being constipated. Just one day would be nice. Already have sufficiently caused to have my property management/landlords to have to replace -2- American Standard toilets…think I’m missing out on some quality control $$$$ here.
The only Teflon Shit Sandwiches (TSS) are those from AFGE herd. Nothing sticks to them, not even the law. Teflon Turds. 🙂

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Namnibor – – – Haven’t heard the word Thixotropic- semi fluid to fluid state, visa versa. Memories of organic chemistry. Microbiology- thermophile; an organism that can withstand, survive, and multiply in a wide temp environment. VA AFGE Union Employee’s and Staph are thermophiles. Thermophiles that live in a Thixotropic environment.

namnibor
namnibor

$790 BILLION Defense $$$ Allocation to avoid a Gov’t Shutdown Oct.1, but the congress critters, including insane McCain could NOT come-up with $$$ to extend VA Choice Program?

Some war profiteering contractors are getting really fat off Uncle Sam. Maybe USA’s sons and daughters should simply cease being willing to fight their wars and force the bankers and congress critters to go fight them….or their engorged offspring?!

That allocation was not your normal military budget…it was only to stave-off a potential shutdown. WTF? Where’s all the $$$ going? Iran on pallets? Perhaps buying Afghan Army more woodland camouflage uniforms for their dark side of the moon landscapes?

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Hey Namnibor,

They did reach a deal the main sticking point was caused by the VSOs claiming that if they only fund choice it will hurt the VA.

So the deal for emergency funding to the choice program had to include additional funding for more leases to expand the VA, more money to make improvements to existing properties, more money to update medical equipment and increased funding for hiring more staff at the VA.

Without the additional pork the emergency funding wouldn’t pass and Choice would run out of money.

“Congress Reaches Deal to Avert Shutdown of Veterans’ Health Choice Program”
By NICHOLAS FANDOS, New York Times, July 27, 2017
“https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/us/politics/veterans-affairs-choice-program.html”

“The veterans groups — including Disabled American Veterans, Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America, Veterans of Foreign Wars and Vietnam Veterans of America — had sent a letter to lawmakers on Saturday objecting to the House bill’s terms and spent the weekend lobbying congressional staff members to change it.

“If new funding is directed only or primarily to private sector ‘choice’ care without any adequate investment to modernize V.A.,” the groups wrote, “the viability of the entire system will soon be in danger.”

“Now, after several days of tense negotiations, the House and Senate are both expected to take up bipartisan legislation that would infuse $2.1 billion in new funding for Choice over six months, as well as about $1.4 billion hiring, work force improvements and the authorization of 28 leases that increase the department’s internal capacity to deliver care.

The measure is expected to pass before members of both chambers leave for their summer recesses.

The agreement will be seen as a victory for a group of influential veterans organizations that teamed up with Democrats to defeat an earlier plan, advanced by House Republicans, that they said advanced private care at the expense of the department’s in-house offerings. The groups — and Democrats — have generally advocated simultaneous investment in both the private care program and the department itself.”

Full Article at: “https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/us/politics/veterans-affairs-choice-program.html”

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Didn’t mean to make you mood worse!

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Those J1 Visa Lawyers are going to be rich with all the new hires.

namnibor
namnibor

I’m envisioning the VSO’s and House/Senate Congress Critter lobbying scenario to be looking very much like the great game called “Angry Birds”. Of course. the VSO’s are the giggling and snarling piggies and all the congress critters are the ‘Angry Birds’ with clipped wings from the piggy lobbyists.

The Systemic Cesspool with the Piggies all lined-up at the feeding $$$$ trough. Those fucks were only concerned about their relevancy, NOT improving the damn VA or the VSO piggies would surely see otherwise WHY Choice is even needed.

Guarantee *very few* real improvements occur at the VA to “balance out private sector Choice”…nope, this was ALL about Performance Bonuses.
Wouldn’t ANY VA “leases” already have been negotiated and paid for with allocated yearly budget?
I smell pig shit. Thixotropic Pig Shit (TPS).

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Forgot to mention that the 28 leases are for new Department of Veterans Affairs (V-A) major medical facilities. They have been planning this maneuver for a long time now.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

Here is a list of some of the places they will start building with the new leases. Notice that they include building new offices for the Black Hole in Aurora Colorado.

The pit that keeps on taking.

Also notice the number of new research facilities. That is VA speak for new buildings on College Campuses.

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*Virginia congressmen, senators applaud inclusion of medical leases in veterans legislation*
Published Friday, Jul. 28, 2017, 7:15 am
“http://augustafreepress.com/virginia-congressmen-senators-applaud-inclusion-medical-leases-veterans-legislation/”

“For more than a year, Sen. Warner has been spearheading a bipartisan effort in Congress to approve the overdue medical leases. In September 2016, he led a bipartisan group of Senators in introducing the Providing Veterans Overdue Care Act to authorize leases for 24 Department of Veterans Affairs medical facilities in 15 states, most of which had already been waiting for congressional approval for more than a year. At the beginning of the new Congress in January 2017, Sen. Warner teamed up with Sen. Susan Collins (R-ME) to reintroduce the legislation.”

“Because Congress failed to act, the list of leases waiting for congressional authorization has grown to 28 facilities in 17 states:
Outpatient clinic, Ann Arbor, Michigan
Outpatient mental health clinic, Birmingham, Alabama
Research space, Boston, Massachusetts
Research space, Charleston, South Carolina
Outpatient clinic, Corpus Christi, Texas
Outpatient clinic, Daytona Beach, Florida
Office space, Denver, Colorado
Outpatient clinic, Fredericksburg, Virginia
Outpatient clinic, Gainesville, Florida
Outpatient mental health clinic, Gainesville, Florida
Outpatient clinic, Hampton Roads, Virginia
Outpatient clinic, Indianapolis, Indiana
Outpatient clinic, Jacksonville, Florida
Outpatient clinic, Missoula, Montana
Outpatient mental health clinic, Northern Colorado, Colorado
Outpatient clinic, Ocala, Florida
Outpatient clinic, Oxnard, California
Outpatient clinic, Pike County, Georgia
Outpatient clinic, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Outpatient clinic, Portland, Maine
Outpatient clinic, Raleigh, North Carolina
Outpatient clinic, phase II, Rochester, New York
Research space, San Diego, California
Outpatient clinic, Santa Rosa, California
Mental health clinic, Tampa, Florida
Outpatient clinic, Lakeland, Tampa, Florida
Outpatient clinic, Terre Haute, Indiana
Outpatient clinic, Rapid City, South Dakota

91Veteran
91Veteran

Jesus H on a Qtip.

Leases? Didn’t Shithead recently talk about closing facilities?

Lem
Lem

Another vet taking the fall for some high level educator’s fraud? They eventually caught the Director of Education on Guam but those of us who paid back funds we never received never got our money back.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

Here’s three articles out late yesterday.
1.)
From: “The Military Advantage Blog”
Titled:
“VA ‘Choice’ Funding Deal Near; Trump Targets Transgenders”
Posted by: Tom Philpott

2.)
From: “military.com/daily news”
Dated: 27 July 2017
By: Richard Sisk.
Titled:
“Transgender Troops Welcome at VA Despite Proposal Ban”

This is from “Liar Shithead Shulkin”!
Also, in the comment by “16201640”, this person gives a great reason on why transgenders should not be given “sex changes on the government’s dime!” They claim their “this way since birth”. Therefore, how can it be “service connected”?

3.)
From: “military.com/daily news”
Dated: 27 July 2017
By: Holly Ramer
Titled;
“Veterans Air Their Frustrations about Manchester VA Hospital”

Great read!

P.S.
As you have noticed, I’ve given Shulkin an added “descriptive word” to his “title”!
This is due to his lie about NOT knowing what was transpiring at the Manchester VHA. He was notified 10 months ago! So, therefore, his name will now be;
“Liar Shithead Shulkin!”

namnibor
namnibor

How about “Lying n’ Shit Shulkin? 🙂

cj
cj

-!ii!-

cj
cj

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OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

“https://www.apexgunparts.com”

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@OLDMARINE – – – Right on, I like ANY other person, whether being a CIVILIAN or VETERAN, has the right to know what is in their Medical Records, and that these records are to be kept private. Your Health and Medical Records are protected under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA), and it applies to the VA as well. I’d would encourage you to check yours if you have any suspicions that they are wrong, due to any errors, or direct and purposeful manipulations that are NOT true, that makes that VA look good, and for you to look otherwise (bad, wrong, or what ever is on the VA’s agenda pertaining to you and the VA’s health care services provided to you).

I want to know EXACTLY what is in my Health and Medical Records, because there is a extreme difference in my observation of my body, all the additional symptoms that I’ve I noticed (in only 3 short months), and with my last conversation with my visiting at home Nurse, she totally believe in what I say. My Nurse is embarrassed, concerned, and ticked off, that the VA doesn’t even communicate with her, other than when my Nurse puts in a request to continue her services (via a third party agency).

This is where I get even more pissed off and offensive. My Nurse keeps telling me that her hands are tied and their is NOTHING that she can do. I on the other hand believe and feel strongly about, is that if you’re frustrated (my Nurse), that I’m not afraid of the VA, and that it doesn’t matter who they are, because I’m protected by Federal Law (HIPAA), and without ANY reservation, I can prove with a doubt, that the my VA PCP and other Medical Staph (not a misspelling), has provided incompetent and negligent medical care for me.

My wife is upset, frustrated, and just wants them out of our lives. Our marriage is stressed to the maximum, to the point that I see the VA as a PURE ENEMY, and that I need to expel them from me, like taking an enema to blow out the stanky fecal load via the build of fluid, and the agitation of my rectal nerve, that makes the muscles in my rectum, to expel this nasty shit out of my presence.

This thick and sticky phlegm of a Federal Health Care Agency for us Veterans, needs to be reformed and reorganized to better take care of us. And, OLDMARINE, I have already committed myself to be sacrificed according to the VA’s thinking (not mine, psyche), because when someone calls the VA on something that is NOT right and should be changed, fixed, or reapplied, they get offensive because WE can be the game changers. The only thing, is that this change will NEVER take place unless you stand up for yourself. When you don’t or can’t, the VA will take advantage of this to suit their own agenda.

I can even prove without a doubt or reservation, that the VA fucked me over in the training of my K9 PTSD-Alerting Service Dog. Just on this one issue that the VA has knowingly dropped the ball on providing only half way decent health care, this will confirm and validate my argument, that the VA is and has, provided me with incompetent and negligent health care. I feel confident in presenting my own arguments that backups my accusations. And, this is only for one issue. There are plenty more.

Where the VA stands, I stand at the opposite polarity, totally. Its black and white, cat and dog, an opening a closing, salt and pepper, hot and cold, flowing and stagnant, and fresh and stale. There is NOT a match, not even close, major differences are obvious to the point where ANYONE can detect the demarcation point that separates my health from when I first started to receive health care from the VA, until this point in real time (now).

I have over 50 pages of CONDENSED notes in my personal files. They touch them, they die. Simple as that. Don’t care what they say or do to me. It is in my total power to manage how I proceed in this matter. I have control, not the VA. When I have all the eggs in my basket, I don’t play with fear, I go at them without hesitation. You have to make sure all the ducks are lined up. I made a bet, that if someone will evaluate me, and they don’t see what I see (third party), and if I’m wrong (pertaining to my health), I’ll give them $500.

OLDMARINE, I’m not telling you what to do, I’m encouraging you to demand (not request), those progress reports that supposedly details your current status in health. Not only could you be sitting on a gold mine in damages, but if true, you can help to open the floodgates in making the VA be held (here comes that word), ACCOUNTABLE. Please think about and consider what I shared with you. May all of you have your socks blessed off from you. – – – Nutter.

NO ACCOUNTABILITY = BREEDS CORUPTION
ENOUGH TALK ALREADY
REQUIRES ACTION

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Sorry for the errors in grammar. Way too much on my plate.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – Can I have an estimated time of arrival for your research? Need to rock and roll, and make some heads vibrate and racket, spilling out the VA’s incompetence and neglect so that ALL can see, and to be encouraged to go after and fight the VA, to obtain proper health care, and to collect monies for damages.

Seymore Klearly
Seymore Klearly

While I know that looking in to a claim is important to you. I need to ask you, are you looking into receiving proper Medical Care outside the VA?

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Affirmed. At home Nurse visits today. Need to compare notes. VA will TRY to jeopardize anyone, even the 3rd parties they hire to take care of Veterans.

Seymore, thank you for your concern. As you are well aware, its very taxing on a Veteran when they KNOW that they have to protect themselves from a party that is supposed to help the person reach their best goals in health. Rat Bastards.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – My wife, also my Primary At-Home Caretaker, had to have an emergency visit to the Dentist. One her molar’s broke in half. Add on another $3,000 for one tooth.

From my experience, being negatively conditioned by the VA, can cause people to get upset when other things in life add more to their plate that is already overfilled and flowing over.

Crazy elf
Crazy elf

From:
“The Next News Network”
“Gary Frenchi reporting”
Dated: July 27, 2017 (05:54 minutes long)
Titled:
“This Former Army Special Forces Vet Just Risked Everything to Get This Message to Trump!”

I have to say this. Do y’all remember what many young college aged people said during the “First Gulf War” about “joining the military?”
There was a lot of blow back from many military service personnel.
Remember these words;
“I didn’t join the military to go to war. I joined to get a college degree AFTER I served!”
This was also during the time when Army Boot Camp Recruits, Ft. Jackson, S.C., were given a “small paddle”, to put in their back pockets, and when a drill instructor got too close, the recruit would pull out the paddle and say “your too close, sargent!”
Remember that bullshit!
Did these recruits actually believe they could do that during a “firefight”?

91Veteran
91Veteran

Crazy Elf, I recall that bullshit about only joining for the college education very clearly.

One case in particular was a professor at UW Madison in WI saying his son only joined for the college. He was rather public in his comments about it such that if he were my father, I would have joined the fucking foreign legion just to get away from the embarrassment.

I also recall those raving nitwits in Madison claiming a draft was coming, and they were going to protest by camping out on the Capitol steps in Madison until all the troops were home.

Given it was winter in Wisconsin, I think their protest lasted all of a week.

As for the paddle held up by delicate flowers, that came after during the Clinton years when the Consideration Of Others bullshit in the military was all the rage. Some were referred to as Stress cards in which basic trainees who were feeling stressed could hold up the card for a time out from the stress of the Drill Sergeant.

If you get a chance, Look up General Claudia Kennedy. She was a Clinton hack that pushed that kind of bullshit.

General Genius H Kennard
General Genius H Kennard

VA is just getting a taste of their own fraudulent medicine but if it’s documented by the actual military who could argue with the truth!

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Break time, but following . . .

Dan
Dan

I am curious. “Song bird” McCain is supposed to be 100% perm and total disabled and cannot lift his arms any higher then right below his shoulders. Ok if that is the case, then exactly how did he lift his arm so his hand was higher then his shoulder when he told the VA he couldnt do that, and this was shown in the Senate Video when he voted down the Skinny bill.

Secondly he is supposed to be 100% disabled. Ok then how in the bloody hell is he working as a Senator and making 200,000 a year and still receiving between 2500 and 2800 a month from the VA?? If you are 100% perm and total you cant work and if you dare make so much as a dollar doing something for a friend and the VA finds out about it, they then start proceedings to remove you from receiving the disability rating as you can work. So again how is McCain still receiving his disability pension from the VA?

Thirdly they had better be glad they caught this guy (sarcasm intended) when they did as he was at 16 years. And if you hit 20 years at the same rating, according to the VA regulations they cant touch you nor can the lower your pension nor can they do anything else.

So they are mad about this Vet receiving a pension and yet for every Vet they deny they get to take a part of the money that would have went to the Vet for a bonus or for trips as has been reported? Someone PLEASE tell me they see something wrong with this picture other then me.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Dan…HE GOT HELPED BY HIS PUPPET MASTER…..PULLING HIS STRINGS FROM ABOVE…LOL

namnibor
namnibor

That puppet master is a club called the Ring Knocker’s Club, aka Silver Spoon Spelunkers.

Lem
Lem

Take another look at the video. He listed left to get his hand above his head. Arm did not go above shoulder.

Hope he’ll do it again for veterans. Including those who only get 30% for not being able to lift their arms above their shoulders.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Lem …I would kick him down to 10% he can blow his nose, and another 3% for not being able to comb his hair rounded off to the 10% …NEXT…I’m giving out C&P exam’s out today…Just smoked a bowl and I feel like a doctor
What a deal…LOL .Anyone else

Lem
Lem

I believe he can comb his hair. Just has to use alternating hands and tilt his head to the comb.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Lem….Well I can fix that just put a lowering kit on his neck just like they do on cars then I can knock off his other 10% and save the tax payer some cash ..My bonus money comes from a percentage on how many I can cut…this C&P job sure is sweet man, I’m bringing in the Lincoln’s,…LOL….

cj
cj

Go go gadget, comb.
Go go gadget, voting arm.
Go go gadget??????????

cj
cj

Go go gadget Rock em Sock em Robot neck.

Lem
Lem

Point is officers get 100% for what a grunt gets 30%.

namnibor
namnibor

Just for fun, when giving McCain a reevaluation, simultaneously set-off an entire pack of M80’s and let loose a cage of angry crows and if he lifts his arms and screams reduce him to 0% and tell him he can continue to collect his 1)Retirement Military pension, 2) Senate Salary and all perks, 3) Social Security, and 4) all his lobbyist kickbacks and such…he will hardly miss his VA 100% Comp., while someone at the VA funnels it their way instead…oh, he can also keep all the beer $ his wife surely also has pouring-in daily and all 6 mansion estates scattered about USA and Europe.
He can still smile as well so knock off another % to make that a negative rating # for starters.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

@Seymore Klearly – – – Had my visit with In-Home Nurse today, and EVERYTHING is VERIFIED. VA is DEFINATELY INCOMPETENT, with an overdose of NEGLIGENT MALPRACTICE.

ALL EGGS ARE IN OUR BASKET. The light is green, and there is NO DOUBT that the VA is responsible. I have the full support of my Nurse, and our notes are almost a mirror image with slight deviations.

I’m ready on my end. WHOMEVER is at FAULT, this is NOT MY PROBLEM. Let’s get this train rolling down the tracks, inertia is key. Also, I’m flagged by the VA, will not recognize or respond to my requests like they did in the past. Don’t care though, because when it all comes out into the open, the VA isn’t going to look good at all. We can take a big portion from their bonuses. I share with others that are on my side, and whom back me up; $$$.

How’s the research going on checking out these so-called compassionate and loving VA PCP’s and other Medical Specialists that are actually quacks? Lets move em on up a notch. Ready on this end. – – – Nutter.

Don Karg
Don Karg

07/28/2017

Dear Benjamin Krause,

One thing comes to my mind after all the countless number of Aerospace Crimes that were prosecuted in Southern California during the late 1980s and early 1990s [recorded/reported in the LA Times] —kickbacks.

No doubt there are kickbacks involved in this case—Just look at the Sharon Helman case [concert tickets].

Nothing new under the Arizona Sun.

Stay on the Phoenix VA—-the roaches are not the main concern —508 is the VA’s body count [VA’s number 293 (2014)+ 215 (2016)] since October of 2016.

Sincerely,

Don Karg

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

I will probaly get fired for this….
#1. The American Medical Association (AMA)

From TruthWiki:

The year is 1847. Physicians in America are not enjoying competing with inexpensive, natural remedies, which are offered by Indians and skilled midwives. These are remedies which are effective but are not profitable or patentable, so elitist physicians join forces and form an alliance called the AMA, the American Medical Association. Not just any doctor was allowed to join this new, prestigious organization, but only the “regulars” everyone knew well, and those who did not use herbal remedies, homeopathy or Native American remedies – for anything. By the turn of 1900, word got out fast. The AMA is “hiring” and if you join the “patentable remedy industry” there would be plenty of money to go around. Critics called it the “Great American Fraud,” and the AMA doesn’t like critics, so they created an anti-critic department called the Department of Investigation, or DOI, to hunt down and shut down doctors and healers alike that were still using natural remedies, and thus digging into the profits of the AMA.

Did you know that the AMA has one of the largest political lobbying budgets of any U.S. organization? That’s right, the AMA publicly reports that it generates up to $70,000,000 in revenue annually. Did you also know that the AMA has been found guilty of racketeering three times? That’s why you should never trust chemical-based medicine – it was a fraud from its very beginning, and nothing’s changed in 170 years.

Lem
Lem

Right on target. best prevention for a cold and cure for a cold is moisturizing the airways and a little cinnamon. Drying of the mucus membranes causes cracks which allow the invasion of the cold and flu airborne viruses.

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Another resort is to take triple antibiotic ointment (although not a natural treatment), and put a dab on a cotton swab, then lightly swipe the swap in a circular motion to coat the inside nostrils. This is very effective.

Also, flushing your nose with warm water, then a cold rinse that will shock the tissue to contract and tighten up. A very safe process that I use all the time. – – – Nutter.

NiteWish
NiteWish

I understood only distilled water should be used to flush the sinus due to some kind of brain parasite.

namnibor
namnibor

I have the heavy-duty version called Mupirocin 2% ointment. Been doing it with the nostrils for decade now, ever since the initial chronic MRSA infections. Now, it does not take much for me to have random MRSA outbreaks ever since those really bad ones needing actual surgery rather than lancing. Powerful ointment and it moisturizes.

I was on a PIC Line and self-administering IV’s of Vancomiacyn (sp?), a heavy duty MRSA killing sting like hell medication for 8 weeks straight. I shudder at the thought of going through all that again…

But, maybe it really did not happen? Will have to see if ‘Dan’ refutes me or not… 🙂 Dick.

NiteWish
NiteWish

Namnibor, how do you know that you have MRSA, are there signs? I spent 3mos basically living @ the Sloan Kettering Cancer Center NY w/my mom, she had it, the hospital was infested with it but the VA would not test me for it. Since then I’m concerned I may be carrying it. I didn’t understand I could get it from Mom at the time & didn’t/wasn’t always provided protective gear.

namnibor
namnibor

@NiteWish- A person is considered MRSA Positive until at some point you test negative 3 or 5x within a 6 month window. But my experience started back in early 90’s that turned into something around spine, nothing on surface, just terrible beating pain…back then it was seen as an anomaly, and even though had no health insurance, I was forced to remain in hospital for 4 weeks back in 90’s after the surgery, of which had to be emergency as I was going paralyzed…I missed meeting lead singer of The Cure because of that illness period…and I was on nasty strong IV antibiotics back then but it came back in 11 years with a vengeance but other parts of body.
MRSA is everywhere, and really strong in any hospital environment and even more so if it’s a VA facility. Fact.
Skin, when it causes welts and carbuncles that get really dark red/black in center, can be small/large, usually deep tissue and if you try to squeeze, you only make the infection deeper in tissue…must be lanced or full surgery if to that point.
Mine basically goes all way to mid-80’s when USAF botched a surgery on me and infected me with some viral agents. I have never been quite right since and definitely not so these days as all progresses.
I would only wish a nasty MRSA infection on entire body of N. Korea’s leader, the infant with a rocket launcher. We really need to wipe him off the planet. Scary monsters.
“Puppy….Monkey….Baby…”

NiteWish
NiteWish

damn Nam you’ve been dealt a raw deal way to much in this life. Possibly a next life will be full of good fortune. I was having a nice ice cream bar when I checked images for carbuncles, yea rather gross. You are a strong soul I am glad I met you, my life has been enriched.
And always be careful what you wish for, you just may get it.

namnibor
namnibor

@NiteWish- Now you’ve done it. My demented mind will now have dreams of “Carbuncle Ice Cream”. LOL. Those are two words that *never* should be anywhere near each other: Carbuncle Ice Cream. 🙂

In all seriousness, I am every bit the survivor in this life with a strong dose of “Donnie Darrko”. That movie is a close soundtrack to my life thus far. 😛

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Your not fired, should be hired. But the VA does not like veterans who think for themselves.

So I guess ur on leave without pay.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

#2. The Food and Drug Administration (FDA)

The FDA green lights nearly any drug that is chemical based for treating disease and disorder, yet bans every single seller of natural remedies from stating on a product label that the remedy cures or prevents disease or disorder, when thousands of them really do. The FDA also promotes GMOs without labels, when 90 percent of Americans want them labeled.
#3. The Center for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC)

The CDC is a for-profit corporation listed on Dun and Bradstreet. During the 2016 fiscal year alone, the CDC Foundation raised over $42 million. The donor list for that year includes dozens of evil corporations, including Bayer Corporation, Cargill, Inc., The Coca Cola Company, Johnson & Johnson, Merck, and of course the Pfizer Foundation. The list of partners listed on their website is even more depressing. The list of the CDC Foundation’s corporate partners is replete with pharmaceutical companies, insurance providers, pesticide manufacturers and biotechnology companies. It is truly mind-boggling that such an organization not only exists, but was sanctioned by Congress.
#4. The American Heart Association (AHA)

These clowns post toxic recipes on their website that literally cause diabetes, cancer and heart disease. Are they making money from diabetes or trying to prevent it? The AHA attacks coconut oil as a bad fat, when it helps prevent Alzheimer’s and is one of the healthiest fats humans can possibly consume. The AHA is just another rogue organization funded by Big Pharma with insidious goals that undermine its very slogans.

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

#5. Susan G. Komen “For the Cure” (Komen Foundation)

Criticized for its use of donor funds and choices in sponsors, like Kentucky Fried Chicken (KFC), cancer education by Komen is in full swing, with a huge push for mammograms all over the world. Reviews of mammograms suggest an increased risk of developing breast cancer from too much radiation, plus mammograms run the risk of false-positive readings. Anyone hungry for a bucket of hydrogenated-oil-soaked, hormone-laced KFC? Komen also sells bottles of alcoholic Mike’s Hard Lemonade at the events. Let’s all get drunk and then walk crooked for the cure for something. Be sure not to drive home! Komen Foundation takes in more than $55 million a year from sponsors like PepsiCo and KFC, and the CEO of Komen, Nancy Brinker, takes home an annual salary approaching $700,000 while suing any organization that even tries to use the word cure in their slogan or logo. Great work Komen!

91Veteran
91Veteran

The Komen Foundation has been very good at advertising their breast cancer awareness fight with pink ribbons, and of course the show the NFL puts on every year by wearing pink.

The Komen Foundation got into a pickle a few years ago because of their partnership with Planned Parenthood, and when many started pointing out the statistical increase in women with breast cancer who had abortions.

Not sure whatever happened with that.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

I’ll bet u not long from now, as soon as they can get a foot in the marijuana door, it will be deemed a medical miracle.

They will make sure they control the money !

NiteWish
NiteWish

bamboozled haven’t heard that word since childhood.
The new weekly accountability report came out today @
“https://www.va.gov/accountability/”

K
K

2 more pages up to 32. Been quiet here where I live for 6 days. You wouldn’t believe what happens here va employees.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Why did you stop there. Finish the story !

K
K

I have been on their so called harass and surveillance which is stalking for what they decide is against their way of we can do anything we want to a patient, especially if reported. And they continue as to think I won’t say nothing. Sit outside my bedroom window or balcony leave when close up. Go to trash one guy starts to walk toward me in dark. I give look ur balls r mine he backs off. Drive by me yell keep ur fucking mouth shut. Found rug in dirt under bedroom window after I confronted 4 of them yelling outside bedroom window at. 3 am, then 1 making moves to fight, I gave death stare, I pulled rug out of there put on grass waited to see when it would be picked up abt 6 days later it also had imprints of ladder stand after it rained on it, lol everyone just walked by it. Of course I lock window now shine lights in window and base boom boom boom 2 am There’s plenty more and it’s now up to them to forget they ever knew me. The best one is when patient advocate came up to me and gave me hug in the hall when I left 3 cars pulled around me at light one then pulled to side of road, as I drove by she pulled out to run me into oncoming traffic side. I maneuvered and chased up along side of her, gave death look. Then the 3 went down a side road. Oh the one that yelled keep ur fucken mouth shut followed me to trash headed toward me I reached like I had gun she sped off it was fucken phone. Lmao. I don’t know exact number of removed or relocated employees because of what was reported by agency’s that went on in med ctr. But they uncovered much more than I knew 1st hand trying to get at why this would happen. I knew patient advocate b4 she became one. Oh one time I was visiting her in her office and they called a shooter drill lmao. I was going to leave they said no you stay in here. We laughed I said it’s probably u guys they want to shoot. They been behaving like they have for way too long. It is time their way of life goes to shiiter. I have faith their corrupt policies of behavior and organized is not acceptable to good ones, they say they heard abt them and their day will come. Get the leaders. Bye now

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Take you time and get your phone and record these people and then call the police.

Situation solved. Start from the start not the middle of the story.

Take ur time, who, when, where and how ?

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

K…WHAT STATE DO U LIVE IN…..

js
js

How do you make an honest man dishonest?

Leave the door open.

K
K

how do you make a dishonest man honest? Laugh at them for mentioning the noun man. Laugh all the way to their cell. Lmao again

ANutterVet
ANutterVet

Do you need to find Federal cases, dockets and filings from U.S. District Courts and U.S. Courts of Appeal?

Then visit; “https://dockets.justia.com”

OLDMARINE
OLDMARINE

Saved that link thanks

Jo3n
Jo3n

After reading all comments, I forgot what the theme is. Anyway, day to day things are getting worse for Veterans, definitely not better. Choice is useless to most of us. By the time you get a referral, it’s broke again. All these new VA outpatient clinics will end Choice. I cannot fight the VA. In fact, I’ve come to despise the VA and anyone associated with the VA. Until Trump takes away my Medicare, I will use it.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

They have taken away Veterans pensions already, next is service connected disability payments.

That’s how they will fund the choice program.

K
K

Not quite it won’t happen va compensation will remain. And I think choice will change. If they can find savings and make money off private sector. Employees know now jobs at risk, VA looking for professional quality medical personnel. Will those little guys n girls keep following those twisted upper pro employees? Or will they ban together and take care of their families? Especially now they can see freight train headlights coming and the twisted can’t protect or promote anymore. N if there is a hell, knowing it could be destiny their 2nd brain cell will flash alerts.

James Gallegos
James Gallegos

Don’t know, they interviewed two veterans who stated their pensions were taken away already.

If you have not been on here b4 welcome and share ur story.

Your story is part of history and will be recorded for all time.

NiteWish
NiteWish

quantum entanglement, burn down the house – Believe-

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